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#8311 CrepeNuts  

CrepeNuts

Posted 10 March 2019 - 01:42 AM

But you are choosing to fight this battle too. Both sides look stupid here, because this just doesn't really matter.

If it doesn't matter to you then why bother commenting? We care because of the precedent it sets. As adults, we should be able to choose what content we consume. Not have Sony tell us what is okay and not okay.



#8312 Mr. Lonely   We're all mad here. CAGiversary!   1141 Posts   Joined 9.7 Years Ago  

Posted 10 March 2019 - 01:45 AM

Seriously, is a naked butt that important? Some people aren't buying because of this? You guys have heard of pornhub right? You could make up for any naked butt deficiencies there.

It's more about Sony setting a disturbing trend of censorship in their games. First this, what's next? If more people voted with their wallets, maybe there would be change. But the real problem is that nobody cares and that's why they keep getting away with it. (You can apply that to everything, not just censorship.)



#8313 Wildthing1385   Memento Mori CAG in Training   28 Posts   Joined 0.8 Years Ago  

Wildthing1385

Posted 10 March 2019 - 01:51 AM

It's more about Sony setting a disturbing trend of censorship in their games. If more people voted with their wallets, maybe there would be change. But the real problem is that nobody cares and that's why they keep getting away with it. (You can apply that to everything, not just censorship.)


You can also argue that Sony hid the fact that they censored it in the first place. How many more games are consumers not going to know about that have been censored and are possibly more serious. They could have been transparent , but instead waited til the game came out. This could have huge consequences for certain games or even developers.

#8314 Mr. Lonely   We're all mad here. CAGiversary!   1141 Posts   Joined 9.7 Years Ago  

Posted 10 March 2019 - 02:00 AM

You can also argue that Sony hid the fact that they censored it in the first place. How many more games are consumers not going to know about that have been censored and are possibly more serious. They could have been transparent , but instead waited til the game came out. This could have huge consequences for certain games or even developers.

I'm sure Xbox and PC versions will get a bump over this. When did Sony become the new Nintendo?



#8315 FlawlesslyFatal   $15 or less CAGiversary!   1677 Posts   Joined 7.2 Years Ago  

FlawlesslyFatal

Posted 10 March 2019 - 02:06 AM

DMC5 gonna arrive next week so I can't check this yet, but from what I've heard, patch 1.04 is the censored update.

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#8316 Wildthing1385   Memento Mori CAG in Training   28 Posts   Joined 0.8 Years Ago  

Wildthing1385

Posted 10 March 2019 - 02:07 AM

I'm sure Xbox and PC versions will get a bump over this. When did Sony become the new Nintendo?


Right , I mean I have all 3 home consoles , if I knew about the censorship , I would have grabbed the Xbox version. As minor as a naked butt is , censorship isn't a minor thing

#8317 Wildthing1385   Memento Mori CAG in Training   28 Posts   Joined 0.8 Years Ago  

Wildthing1385

Posted 10 March 2019 - 02:09 AM

DMC5 gonna arrive next week so I can't check this yet, but from what I've heard, patch 1.04 is the censored update.

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That's the word yes , it adds a god awful lens flare. The lens flare is more offending lol.

#8318 ackbar7   Flamble CAGiversary!   3245 Posts   Joined 11.4 Years Ago  

Posted 10 March 2019 - 03:17 AM

You guys act like games don't get censored all the time. Most of the time you just don't find out. And really, if naked butts disappeared from games forever how long before you noticed? I'm guessing several years.

#8319 FireWarrior   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   366 Posts   Joined 9.5 Years Ago  

FireWarrior

Posted 10 March 2019 - 03:22 AM

You guys act like games don't get censored all the time. Most of the time you just don't find out. And really, if naked butts disappeared from games forever how long before you noticed? I'm guessing several years.

You don't seem to get it.



#8320 ackbar7   Flamble CAGiversary!   3245 Posts   Joined 11.4 Years Ago  

Posted 10 March 2019 - 03:31 AM

You don't seem to get it.


No, there are a lot bigger problems than asses disappearing from video games.

#8321 CrepeNuts  

CrepeNuts

Posted 10 March 2019 - 03:37 AM

No, there are a lot bigger problems than asses disappearing from video games.

Yeah, and you can be upset with more than one thing at a time. Just because something isn't important to you or you can't grasp why it sets a bad precedent doesn't mean you get to say that it shouldn't matter. Censorship is censorship, and if you keep excusing the little things it means you'll be conditioned to excuse bigger and bigger things.



#8322 shadowysea07   Cjenvy I'm ready for you awd this time I'm wearing pants CAGiversary!   4849 Posts   Joined 6.3 Years Ago  

shadowysea07

Posted 10 March 2019 - 03:48 AM

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For someone who doesn't care you sure are doing alot of posting about it.

 

I agree with the others that the censorship shouldn't have happened in an m rated game.



#8323 Mr. Lonely   We're all mad here. CAGiversary!   1141 Posts   Joined 9.7 Years Ago  

Posted 10 March 2019 - 04:00 AM

No, there are a lot bigger problems than asses disappearing from video games.

Says the guy who has Senran Kagura: Peach Beach Splash as their most recent played game. ;)



#8324 ackbar7   Flamble CAGiversary!   3245 Posts   Joined 11.4 Years Ago  

Posted 10 March 2019 - 04:06 AM

Says the guy who has Senran Kagura: Peach Beach Splash as their most recent played game. ;)


Thank god someone finally noticed. I guess my concern is mostly the games that get censored out of existence, which happens semi regularly. I can find naked butts elsewhere.

#8325 BobbyTastic   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   8740 Posts   Joined 8.6 Years Ago  

BobbyTastic

Posted 10 March 2019 - 08:41 AM

This isn't the first time Sony's censored a PS4 version lately. They changed their policy late last year but this is the first AAA title it's affected.
https://www.oneangry...censored-games/
When even Nintendo is less of a censor than you, you know you've goofed.

#8326 Zenax[zd]   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   507 Posts   Joined 11.0 Years Ago  

Zenax[zd]

Posted 10 March 2019 - 12:55 PM

Right , I mean I have all 3 home consoles , if I knew about the censorship , I would have grabbed the Xbox version. As minor as a naked butt is , censorship isn't a minor thing

I think it's a dumb change tbh (and horribly implemented in the case of Trish) but at the end of the day I can't see myself playing on xbox anyway because I don't like how Dante feels to play on a normal xbox controller because of the swapped dpad/analog stick. Also in DMC5 air taunts are ridiculously powerful for Nero/Dante and having them on a giant button in the middle of the controller feels great. Technically you can rebind everything but by the end of the game both characters are using every single button in combat so something has to go on the "select" button regardless. 

 

That said I bet an elite controller feels freaking amazing for the game, but I ain't got one of those and doubt I will be getting one any time soon.



#8327 FlyingMonkey9   Genetically Modified CAG CAGiversary!   4091 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 10 March 2019 - 01:36 PM

I wonder what would have happened if Capcom refused to make this change? It’s not like Sony edited the game themselves, that lens flare probably took some time to alter for the cutscene

#8328 INMATEofARKHAM   Looking for my padded cell CAGiversary!   5630 Posts   Joined 10.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 10 March 2019 - 05:07 PM

I wonder what would have happened if Capcom refused to make this change? It’s not like Sony edited the game themselves, that lens flare probably took some time to alter for the cutscene

Then Sony wouldn't have allowed them to release it in this market on their platform.  Capcom could object, lawyers would get involved, and both sides would spend money that they really wouldn't...  Hence Capcom just edited it.



#8329 astrotide   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   66 Posts   Joined 11.9 Years Ago  

Posted 10 March 2019 - 05:39 PM

No, there are a lot bigger problems than asses disappearing from video games.

And yet I can not think of any offhand :-(



#8330 phoenixlau   backlogged CAGiversary!   516 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

Posted 10 March 2019 - 06:11 PM

I have a feeling the DMC5 issue is one of an unintentional bug rather than censorship.  In other words, the lens flare in the Trish scene was the original artistic intent, but for whatever reason was disabled in the unpatched version of the game across all platforms.  Under this theory, with the most recent patch, the North American PS4 version has the "correct" lens flare enabled, while it is somewhat unclear the reason why the Japanese PS4 version and the XB1/PC versions still don't have the lens flare (unpatched?  different patch version?  still bugged?).

 

There are two strong pieces of evidence that lead me to this theory:

 

1) There is a second scene in DMC5 involving Lady which features the same type of lens flare obscuring her bare ass (the shovel scene).  In ALL versions of the game across ALL platforms, this lens flare is present for Lady.  Logically speaking, if Trish's scene is considered "censored", then Lady's scene is also "censored".  But it doesn't really make sense for Lady's scene to remain censored if you're going to actively uncensor Trish's scene, right?  In other words, if the artistic intent was for Trish's ass to be seen without lens flare, don't you think it incongruous that the same artistic vision decided to go the opposite way and cover up Lady's ass?  Wouldn't Lady be uncovered as well?  Therefore, given that Lady is covered in all versions, isn't it far more likely that BOTH Trish and Lady were originally intended to be obscured with lens flare?

 

2) The ESRB rating for DMC5 reads as follows:

>>>Content Descriptors: Blood, Partial Nudity, Strong Language, Violence

...

>>>Some female characters are depicted partially nude, with their breasts and buttocks minimally covered by blood, light, or clothing

 

The ESRB rating description specifically mentions that the nudity in the game is PARTIAL nudity (not full nudity), and that one of the obscuring methods for achieving this partial nudity is "light" (i.e. lens flare).  Thus it seems quite apparent that the lens flare in both Trish and Lady's scenes were originally intended to be there, seeing as how those scenes got called out in the actual ESRB rating description.  And as a corollary, it seems highly unlikely that full nudity with no covering was originally intended to be in the game, since the ESRB rating would have reflected that fact.



#8331 CrepeNuts  

CrepeNuts

Posted 10 March 2019 - 06:21 PM

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This theory holds no water when you realize it’s only on the PS4 in the western market. I highly doubt a Japanese developed game would give the definitive experience to a portion of the audience and not even themselves.

Also, a glorified plumber’s crack is not full nudity.

#8332 phoenixlau   backlogged CAGiversary!   516 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

Posted 10 March 2019 - 06:30 PM

This theory holds no water when you realize it’s only on the PS4 in the western market. I highly doubt a Japanese developed game would give the definitive experience to a portion of the audience and not even themselves.

Also, a glorified plumber’s crack is not full nudity.

Actually, it makes perfect sense if you consider that North America accounts for the vast majority of game sales, and that different regions and systems often have different rollout schedules for patches.  North American PS4 version is almost certainly the highest selling SKU in the highest selling market for this game, so of course it would receive priority.

 

Note that in the reports of the Japanese PS4 version being "uncensored", it is ambiguous which patch version they are on or whether they even patched it at all.  It wouldn't surprise me if the Japanese version ultimately gets the lens flare patched back in as well.



#8333 RubMySweatyThighsPls  

RubMySweatyThighsPls

Posted 10 March 2019 - 06:35 PM

You guys act like games don't get censored all the time. Most of the time you just don't find out. And really, if naked butts disappeared from games forever how long before you noticed? I'm guessing several years.

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#8334 Wildthing1385   Memento Mori CAG in Training   28 Posts   Joined 0.8 Years Ago  

Wildthing1385

Posted 10 March 2019 - 06:36 PM

I think it's a dumb change tbh (and horribly implemented in the case of Trish) but at the end of the day I can't see myself playing on xbox anyway because I don't like how Dante feels to play on a normal xbox controller because of the swapped dpad/analog stick. Also in DMC5 air taunts are ridiculously powerful for Nero/Dante and having them on a giant button in the middle of the controller feels great. Technically you can rebind everything but by the end of the game both characters are using every single button in combat so something has to go on the "select" button regardless.

That said I bet an elite controller feels freaking amazing for the game, but I ain't got one of those and doubt I will be getting one any time soon.


You are completely right. These games just feel better on a ps4 controller , and that's why I went with the ps4 version. I love my elite controller and was thinking that it would be great for a devil may cry game. If you get some extra funds , the elite controller is extremely worth it, even with the steep price.

#8335 CrepeNuts  

CrepeNuts

Posted 10 March 2019 - 06:50 PM

Actually, it makes perfect sense if you consider that North America accounts for the vast majority of game sales, and that different regions and systems often have different rollout schedules for patches. North American PS4 version is almost certainly the highest selling SKU in the highest selling market for this game, so of course it would receive priority.

Note that in the reports of the Japanese PS4 version being "uncensored", it is ambiguous which patch version they are on or whether they even patched it at all. It wouldn't surprise me if the Japanese version ultimately gets the lens flare patched back in as well.

I’m sorry, this is just willful ignorance.

#8336 nitrosmob   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   9472 Posts   Joined 13.1 Years Ago  

Posted 10 March 2019 - 07:00 PM

Honestly it's a very fine butt and I'm better for having seen it. 



#8337 deadofnight   CAG in Training CAGiversary!   950 Posts   Joined 6.5 Years Ago  

deadofnight

Posted 10 March 2019 - 08:02 PM

I wonder if anyone has actually played the game without the day-one patch to confirm the flare was added with the patch, or if it's only assumed the patch added the flare?

The PS4 6.50 firmware update seems to be causing a few problems. In Conan Exiles players weren't able to log in to the online servers. I saw a couple people say one of their PS4 themes isn't working. And I saw one person say since the update Wipeout Omega Collection started having crashes. It makes me wonder if the DMC patch just dealt with firmware issues, and the flare was already present.

Conan Exiles was patched yesterday to fix it's problem. A funny thing about that is when players contacted the developers the developers said it had to do with the firmware update, and they're working with Sony to get a hotfix as soon as possible. When a player contacted Sony they were told it has nothing to do with the firmware update, and to check your router.



#8338 Z-Saber   moon2S CAGiversary!   6422 Posts   Joined 14.7 Years Ago  

Posted 10 March 2019 - 10:06 PM

Everybody looks very stupid. Yes, even you.

#8339 FriskyTanuki   I have a piano CAGiversary!   69130 Posts   Joined 16.1 Years Ago  

FriskyTanuki

Posted 11 March 2019 - 12:07 AM

Streaming some Final Fantasy XV Pocket Edition to see what this game is:

 



#8340 bee01   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   438 Posts   Joined 15.0 Years Ago  

Posted 11 March 2019 - 12:20 AM

To quote The Simpsons: "truly, yours is a butt that won't quit."