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Shadow of war and season pass 19.99 total at gamestop ps4 only


#91 doc_j88   CAG Vet CAGiversary!   1399 Posts   Joined 8.3 Years Ago  

Posted 02 August 2018 - 08:23 PM

I know what return fraud is....and this ain’t it

But it doesn’t make what he’s doing any less wrong

#92 shadowassailantx   Trophy Hunter CAGiversary!   132 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 09:07 PM

I know what return fraud is....and this ain’t it

But it doesn’t make what he’s doing any less wrong

 

This is definitely fraudulent, as you are buying merchandise without the intent to keep it. Not only that but this is costing GS money, as they are certainly paying something for those codes that get printed out. This falls very close to typical receipt fraud, where people use a fake or altered receipt to receive more money than they payed. In this situation you are being similarly enriched, just without doctoring a receipt, to the detriment of Gamestop. Proving that you knowingly are committing fraud is probably close to impossible, so criminal charges aren't likely. But that doesn't change the fact that it's fraud.

 

Not all return fraud is necessarily illegal by state statutes. Wardrobe fraud is a common example where people buy clothes, wear them once, and return them the next day. It's technically within the stores return policy to allow for returns in these situations, but they are being hurt as now they have a piece of used merchandise that they can no longer sell as new. Even this kind of return fraud is being cracked down on in some states. So the idea that stealing a Season Pass code can't be return fraud is just not true. 



#93 Rodster   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1867 Posts   Joined 14.3 Years Ago  

Posted 02 August 2018 - 09:30 PM

Why even shop at Gamestop if you are so concerned of them taking advantage of you?  Vote with your wallet and go elsewhere.

Great point. The last time I stepped foot in a GameStop was in 2008.



#94 Rodster   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1867 Posts   Joined 14.3 Years Ago  

Posted 02 August 2018 - 09:36 PM

This is definitely fraudulent, as you are buying merchandise without the intent to keep it. Not only that but this is costing GS money, as they are certainly paying something for those codes that get printed out. This falls very close to typical receipt fraud, where people use a fake or altered receipt to receive more money than they payed. In this situation you are being similarly enriched, just without doctoring a receipt, to the detriment of Gamestop. Proving that you knowingly are committing fraud is probably close to impossible, so criminal charges aren't likely. But that doesn't change the fact that it's fraud.

 

Not all return fraud is necessarily illegal by state statutes. Wardrobe fraud is a common example where people buy clothes, wear them once, and return them the next day. It's technically within the stores return policy to allow for returns in these situations, but they are being hurt as now they have a piece of used merchandise that they can no longer sell as new. Even this kind of return fraud is being cracked down on in some states. So the idea that stealing a Season Pass code can't be return fraud is just not true. 

It's not fraudulent. You bought something, they gave you a receipt. You returned the item unopened, it's up to GameStop to check and decide if you used the code or not and whether to refund your money. If they refund your money, then some Angel in heaven probably got their wings. It's called gaming the system which GameStop are Pro's at. What goes around comes around.



#95 dorath  

Posted 02 August 2018 - 10:39 PM

It's not fraudulent. You bought something, they gave you a receipt. You returned the item unopened, it's up to GameStop to check and decide if you used the code or not and whether to refund your money. If they refund your money, then some Angel in heaven probably got their wings. It's called gaming the system which GameStop are Pro's at. What goes around comes around.

From GS.com

New product returns

Returned product(s) must be in the original packaging and include any manuals, cabling and accessories in sellable condition. We reserve the right to limit returns to unopened or defective products. Defective product(s) will be replaced with a like item, upon return. Terms and conditions of manufacturer's warranty apply to defective video games systems and computer hardware after 30 days.

We do not accept returns of:

  • Any product(s) returned more than 30 days from the date on the packing slip.
  • Any product(s) that has been opened (taken out of its plastic wrap).
  • Any product(s) not in its original condition.
  • Any product(s) that is damaged, played, or is missing parts.
  • Any product(s) that were sold as part of a bundle, unless the bundle is returned complete.

Perhaps you do not consider the code as part of a bundle, but, it is totally part of a bundle.
So, yeah, you are committing fraud.
Calling it gaming the system is justifying your actions.



#96 inkcil   Banception...Baseball Ban in a Best Buy CAGiversary!   1493 Posts   Joined 14.8 Years Ago  

Posted 02 August 2018 - 11:25 PM

Naah...I bought AC Origins in a "digital bundle" last year...it was the physical game and the the season pass for $70.  The total came out to like $73 and change because they taxed the game but not the season pass.  The season pass printed on the bottom of the receipt, but the receipt showed the game at $39.99 and the pass at $29.99...both were discounted at the time. 

 

A few weeks later I decided I didn't want ACO anymore and took the receipt in to return the bundle.  I was straight up and honest about what I wanted to do.  They didn't tell me I was committing fraud, lol.  They just said only the game was returnable.  They refunded me $43 and change for the game but I was stuck with the season pass for $30.   No questions or suspicions.  Since the code was non-refundable or returnable I was just stuck with it.  That's their attitude when it's a $30 code or a freebie.  

 

Same thing when I've bought games that come with a freebie for pre-ordering. I've bought a game, had buyer's remorse, returned the unopened game where I bought it and got a refund.  If I tell them "what do you want to do with the code at the bottom of the receipt for a free character upgrade" they just laugh and ask if I want the receipt back.  If I say "no" they throw the receipt in the trash. They don't save the receipt and email the unused code back to publisher. 

 

Now I'm not talking about "intent," I'm just talking about facts of the matter when you are within the return window printed on the receipt. 



#97 dorath  

Posted 03 August 2018 - 12:36 AM

But they were divided on the receipt.
That's not an issue.

#98 erikjo  

Posted 03 August 2018 - 02:23 AM

I cant believe that you guys are arguing you are doing nothing wrong. At least trade the game in lol. It is like 10 dollars for the pass then.....

I really hope you guys understand and just dont care. It is really black and white in this case...

#99 Dr0p   Chief Red Thunder CAGiversary!   1495 Posts   Joined 8.1 Years Ago  

Posted 03 August 2018 - 07:08 AM

Bullshit, returning something you stole is an actual crime which is considered return fraud. I worked in retail so I know. Returning something you bought and have the receipt but decided to game the system is not a crime. It's up to GameSucks to decide if you used the code or not. If they refund your money, then good for you.

Again, taking advantage of GameSucks is far better than them doing it to you.


Uh, returning something you stole is restitution.

I watched an episode of law & order, so I totally know.

#100 defpally   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2146 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

defpally

Posted 03 August 2018 - 04:22 PM

Umm, you are returning everything in the bundle.  The code is on the receipt being used to return it, it isn't like you bought the bundle, put the code in your pocket then just returned the game.  They are within their rights to claim that since part of the "bundle" is digital, then it is not returnable.  But, they don't do that.  This is not return fraud.  They have all the information in front of them, and you are at their mercy as to whether they accept it.  And on top of that, it isn't even really a bundle - it is a free bonus with purchase.

 

Let me ask anyone that really thinks all this, if you pre-order a new game that came with a pre-order code, then after it comes out to terrible reviews or you change your mind and return it unopened, is it return fraud there?  Because that is an interesting point of view, pretty much all big pre-order come with some kind of digital pre-order code.  And lots of people buy a game then change their mind later.  What you are saying with all of this is that every single one of those pre-ordered games that come with a code (not in the box, but emailed or on the receipt) are illegal to return, which is bullshit.

 

Yes, there is intent here to keep the free bonus on the return, and stores can deny a return if they suspect that - and stores do occasionally deny questionable returns, that is their recourse.  If they REALLY wanted to put a stop to it, they would set up a system to validate whether codes had been used.  But, that is expensive and not worth the trouble (and I really doubt Sony wants to open up refunds on digital code merchandise) - I'd feel certain they got those codes for close to free anyways, notice it is only PS4 - probably some kind of vendor promotion from WB.  It is often beneficial to provide incentives to retailers to make future big orders, and a load of digital codes to give out is a cheap way to do it.

 

Anyways, it doesn't really relate to me personally - I am keeping the game, my only "skin in the game" is they gave me a gutted copy I had to use Goo-Gone on to remove sticker residue.



#101 Rodster   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1867 Posts   Joined 14.3 Years Ago  

Posted 03 August 2018 - 04:36 PM

From GS.com

New product returns

Returned product(s) must be in the original packaging and include any manuals, cabling and accessories in sellable condition. We reserve the right to limit returns to unopened or defective products. Defective product(s) will be replaced with a like item, upon return. Terms and conditions of manufacturer's warranty apply to defective video games systems and computer hardware after 30 days.

We do not accept returns of:

  • Any product(s) returned more than 30 days from the date on the packing slip.
  • Any product(s) that has been opened (taken out of its plastic wrap).
  • Any product(s) not in its original condition.
  • Any product(s) that is damaged, played, or is missing parts.
  • Any product(s) that were sold as part of a bundle, unless the bundle is returned complete.

Perhaps you do not consider the code as part of a bundle, but, it is totally part of a bundle.
So, yeah, you are committing fraud.
Calling it gaming the system is justifying your actions.

 

And that's what one member wanted to do at the start of the thread. He wanted to use the code and return the game. My continued stance is, GameStop is a shady ass company. It's fair game regardless of their policies on returns. It's up to the GameStop employee to catch the mistake. If they don't, too damn bad for them.



#102 Rodster   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1867 Posts   Joined 14.3 Years Ago  

Posted 03 August 2018 - 04:39 PM

Uh, returning something you stole is restitution.

I watched an episode of law & order, so I totally know.

 

Then you probably didn't understand the episode, watch it again. If you steal from a retailer and try and return to the same retailer or another unsuspecting retailer without a receipt to make money off of it, that's a legit crime.



#103 srocky26  

Posted 03 August 2018 - 04:40 PM

You’re still a shitty person for stealing.

#104 Rodster   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1867 Posts   Joined 14.3 Years Ago  

Posted 03 August 2018 - 04:42 PM

You’re still a shitty person for stealing.

 

Where's the theft when someone paid for the goods and wants to return the item? It's called working the system. And you know who's the really shitty individuals, it's GameStop. It works both ways !



#105 Rodster   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1867 Posts   Joined 14.3 Years Ago  

Posted 03 August 2018 - 04:45 PM

What's really fraudulent is GameStop trying to sell "brand new" items when there's a decent or high probability that item was either in their demo machines or at least one employee took it home to play the shit out of the game while you walk into the store paying full price for that same game. I have no love lost for GameStop, they are a really shitty retailer and i'm so fucking glad that digital sales are picking up because that just means they are closer to going out of business.



#106 Jhingles  

Jhingles

Posted 03 August 2018 - 11:27 PM

It's really sad that we're arguing about this. Just do what you want. Does it really matter if Gamestop gets it's codes back? When I worked there more often than not the employees just ended up using the returned codes. Literally it doesn't matter.

#107 Burchamj   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   808 Posts   Joined 16.0 Years Ago  

Posted 04 August 2018 - 01:04 AM

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#108 knothead65  

Posted 04 August 2018 - 01:14 AM

What's really fraudulent is GameStop trying to sell "brand new" items when there's a decent or high probability that item was either in their demo machines or at least one employee took it home to play the shit out of the game while you walk into the store paying full price for that same game. I have no love lost for GameStop, they are a really shitty retailer and i'm so fucking glad that digital sales are picking up because that just means they are closer to going out of business.

You have the right to refuse a open copy, or take it to another store and exchange for a sealed one. Gamestop isn't forcing anyone to take those games. They even tell you when you buy it that its the last copy and ask if it's ok. You must not be a true CAG if you want Gamestop to close..



#109 TheLegendofTyler   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   3635 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 04 August 2018 - 05:23 AM

They even tell you when you buy it that its the last copy and ask if it's ok.


This is not always the case. I've gotten gutted "new" copies from online orders and employees sneaking them into the bag without even the circle sticker on the case and without saying anything. And yes it has the new sticker and is rung up as new. It's deceptive and arguing that it isn't is ridiculous. That being said, I am in no way in favor of any sort of return fraud or GameStop closing, but I'll take advantage of trade deals and ride out GameStop as long as they'll let me.

#110 rhaas  

Posted 04 August 2018 - 03:28 PM

I saw there were a couple people that wanted to buy the code for $10. Willing to trade for PSN credit

#111 knothead65  

Posted 04 August 2018 - 05:15 PM

This is not always the case. I've gotten gutted "new" copies from online orders and employees sneaking them into the bag without even the circle sticker on the case and without saying anything. And yes it has the new sticker and is rung up as new. It's deceptive and arguing that it isn't is ridiculous. That being said, I am in no way in favor of any sort of return fraud or GameStop closing, but I'll take advantage of trade deals and ride out GameStop as long as they'll let me.

I agree sticking them in the bag like that and open copies from online orders is bad. I guess I've been lucky but I don't do many online orders except CE games. My local store the same guys are always in there and know me by name so they always let me know it's an open copy. Once in awhile they try to get me to buy something useless like a talking Chewbacca for $100 but that's because I'm always in there and have a bunch trade credit.



#112 Rick Astley  

Rick Astley

Posted 05 August 2018 - 12:49 AM

Question..I’m planning on returning a used game I got yesterday. I don’t really wanna hurt anyone’s numbers. I just wanna know why they get so butthurt Everytime a customer returns something. What exactly happens to em? Their hours get cut short?