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MCU Discussion - Did You Just Send Nick Fury to Voicemail?! *spoilers*


#1 gamegirlpocket   hope rides alone CAGiversary!   2437 Posts   Joined 3.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 07:09 PM

I'll make the OP look nice later, but in the meantime, I think it's overdue to have an MCU thread, especiallly with a release of this significance. DO NOT READ if you haven't seen it and don't want it spoiled.

 

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Next up in the MCU, Spider-Man: Far From Home releasing 7/5/19.

 

 

Second trailer for Spider-Man, with major Endgame spoilers:

 



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#2 bardockkun   Porn, Kitsch And Firearms CAGiversary!   13796 Posts   Joined 13.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 07:35 PM

Never has anything ever made me fear for the life of a raccoon more than Rocket trapped under the rubble of the building.

 

Also the "No! Don't kill yourself! I Wanna kill myself!" scene was ridiculous. I Feel they didn't need to make an impromptu fight scene out of it and the whole revisiting the older movies was a bit uneven, but really my only criticism overall. I'm not even going to bother with the science of time travel in any movie because I don't want a headache so I just enjoyed it for what it was.



#3 gamegirlpocket   hope rides alone CAGiversary!   2437 Posts   Joined 3.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 08:20 PM

Lots of jumbled thoughts about Endgame.

 

What I appreciated:

 

-all that stuff about movie tropes for time travel not being true, and then they go and pull a Yar (as in, TNG reviving Yar by pulling her out of an alternate timeline in Yesterday's Enterprise) with Loki and Gamorra. The characters we knew were still murdered by Thanos, but a version of them will persist in the MCU. I'm mostly okay with that.

 

-I initially thought the plot was going to be way more straightforward and that they would just return things back to normal, pre-Thanos. The fact they left things in 2023 and in some kind of dystopia is a pretty bold decision for such a big franchise / series. They showed shots of stadiums out of use, abandoned cars, etc. - we can imagine world governments running on life support or devolving into anarchy. It will take a long time for something like the US federal government to get back up and running again, for example. 

 

-When Tony fights Thanos on Titan in IW, Thanos tells him that he's earned his respect because he's such a passionate and strong fighter, and we will ensure half of humanity remains. The Thanos from 2014 has none of this respect for humanity, and is far more ruthless as a result when he shows up on Earth in 2023, which made for an even crazier final battle.

 

-Dr. Strange knew that the only solution was Tony's death. Tony was the only person who really saw or understood what Strange was doing, and the only one who asked about it more than once. He tells him, "If I told you, it wouldn't happen." Not because speaking about it would change it, but because Tony might have second-guessed himself. 

 

-Steve Rogers finally got a second chance and a happy ending. He lost everyone he knew and loved, and then the solution to all of his efforts to save the world / universe permitted him to reconnect with his lost love. Goddamn, that was sweet.

 

-Thanos achieved godlike power with the infinity stones, and then actually gave it up after achieving his goal. He is way more complex a villain than we usually get, because most villains would keep all that power for themselves. We'd also almost never see the aftermath of that kind of thing, and seeing him comparatively so humble and content was kind of a mindfuck.

 

-Tony's vision in Ultron of everyone dead and Steve saying, "You should have saved us" with his shattered shield is very similar to the image of Cap standing alone with his shield broken in half to face Thanos' army on Earth, just before everyone else shows up - and then Tony does save them all. 

 

I didn't like:

 

-The audience. When Thor mutters, "I went for the head....", people laughed, and it was so obnoxious. That line came across to me as one of complete seriousness and drama of the utter defeat they felt, and how unsatisfying it was to kill Thanos knowing it didn't change anything - he didn't even put up a fight. Folks treating it like it was comedy kinda ruined the moment.

 

-In general, how quickly the cliffhanger ending from IW and the trailer shots of Tony drifting in space was resolved. He was seriously back on Earth in 5 fucking minutes of the movie starting, all that build-up for nothing. 

 

-Related to the above: Captain Marvel's limited presence in the film. Nick Fury's final act before disappearing was to summon her, and she didn't really do much plot-wise. She was a fine addition to the team, but her standalone film coming out a month prior (in retrospect) feels like a rush job since it didn't add a whole lot. I know Endgame was primarily focused on the core Avengers but still. 



#4 Donken   President & CEO CAGiversary!   3623 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

Posted 29 April 2019 - 08:22 PM

I’m just happy for Thanos for winning in the real timeline that matters. #TeamThanos

I’m just on my phone at work, I’ll update with more thoughts from a PC :)

#5 Kojubat   Not a Pokémon CAGiversary!   1830 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

Posted 29 April 2019 - 08:42 PM

I really liked it. Did not feel like three hours, and like I told my son, "I'm sure the internet will tell me why I'm wrong, but that was amazing." Even poking around, I haven't really seen anyone with serious criticism, just pieces and parts they didn't like that was fine for me.

 

Also the "No! Don't kill yourself! I Wanna kill myself!" scene was ridiculous. I Feel they didn't need to make an impromptu fight scene out of it

It was a bit of a trope, but felt like they wanted to make sure everyone understood both characters were willing to sacrifice themselves. It wasn't some kind of judgement on who had kids to go back to or whatever. I was kinda hoping for Natasha to figure out who Skull was and see if Spartan kicking him off the edge would satisfy the "give a soul" requirement, or some cheesy "you were both willing, so here's the Stone, you crazy kids".

 

But that's why I don't write billion dollar movies.

 

I do kind of want to see some shorts on the home release about Steve putting the stones back. Clint wouldn't have known who the Guardian was, and that would have been an extra layer of "Really?" for Cap.

 

-In general, how quickly the cliffhanger ending from IW and the trailer shots of Tony drifting in space was resolved. He was seriously back on Earth in 5 fucking minutes of the movie starting, all that build-up for nothing.  

I would say I like the fact that most of the stuff in the trailers was from early in the movie. About an hour in, it occurred to me that I had seen most, if not all, of the trailer scenes. So I'm willing to give a pass on this one in favor of thumbing their nose at "the movie just fills in the story you already know from the trailer".



#6 bardockkun   Porn, Kitsch And Firearms CAGiversary!   13796 Posts   Joined 13.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 08:58 PM

 

It was a bit of a trope, but felt like they wanted to make sure everyone understood both characters were willing to sacrifice themselves. It wasn't some kind of judgement on who had kids to go back to or whatever. I was kinda hoping for Natasha to figure out who Skull was and see if Spartan kicking him off the edge would satisfy the "give a soul" requirement, or some cheesy "you were both willing, so here's the Stone, you crazy kids".

 

But that's why I don't write billion dollar movies.

 

I Mean to be fair my version would've involved Clint holding Red Skull down and Natasha battering his kidneys before they held him upside down and shook out whatever was in his pockets until the Soul stone fell out. I Understood what they were going for in the scene, but the whole scene itself felt totally unsatisfying. Like Black Widow deserves a better death then that and I needed something more then them just falling into  "okay, guess one of us gotta die!" solution.

 

Speaking of which, I wish there was just a Marvel mini-movie of Cap returning all the stones. Like him giving the stone back to Red Skull and him jamming the Aether back into Natalie Portman.

 

Also in one weekend this movie did double the gross of Justice League's lifetime box office. It still will forever amaze me how bad DC fumbled the ball with their movie universe.



#7 TheOldGuy  

Posted 29 April 2019 - 09:21 PM

Did the CGI on the Hulk look off to anybody else? Maybe it was just because Mark Ruffalo's voice was coming out of him instead of the character's usual deep, growly voice, but every time he spoke I lost my suspension of disbelief. Surprising to me, given how good Thanos's CGI was.

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 09:25 PM

My only minor gripe was the questionable logistics of old Steve showing up without the use of the time machine thing. By the logic explained about causing messed up branches it seems like he would have needed to live his life in a different timeline, then return to the original MCU timeline through the machine at that point.  On the other hand he had must have had like 80 years to travel different timelines before or after returning the stones so he could have found a new way. All in all I would say not a important detail, and I doubt that exact detail will come up again unless it's covered in the What If show coming to Disney +. Though the use of time travel and alternate timelines themselves opens up a lot of possibilities including possible future antagonists for the main movies. Aside from that I was pretty happy overall with the movie.

 

I'd love to see Cap meeting Soul Stone Red Skull or getting the Reality Stone back into Jane Foster somehow.

 

It is kind of disappointing that the announced Black Widow movie will pretty much have to be a flashback, and I suppose so will WandaVision unless Scarlet Witch gets her reality bending powers that she doesn't seem to have in the movies so far. On the other hand it should make the Falcon and the Winter Soldier show much more interesting with what I assume will be a name change. I know with comics it's generally safe to assume dead characters will eventually return but after keeping up a consistent narrative for 11 years, and the fact that much of the phase 1 stuff was so influenced by the Ultimate line, I think we'll continue to see the cast evolve and at least chronologically stay dead as expected. Out of the seemingly permanent deaths we now have reasons for replacement versions of Loki and Gamora to exist, and Vision is a special case thanks to his robotic/AI nature, connection to the Mind Stone, and insanely powerful girlfriend.



#9 DennisCP   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   33 Posts   Joined 7.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 09:33 PM

With some of the infinity stones being in containers (Tesseract, Loki's scepter), how did Steve return them? Did he just return them like that?



#10 Kojubat   Not a Pokémon CAGiversary!   1830 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

Posted 29 April 2019 - 09:42 PM

My only minor gripe was the questionable logistics of old Steve showing up without the use of the time machine thing. By the logic explained about causing messed up branches it seems like he would have needed to live his life in a different timeline, then return to the original MCU timeline through the machine at that point.

Or he was in the main timeline, just hiding. Peggy never mentioned who she married by name, just some guy Cap saved in the war. By the time Sharon comes around, he would have had time to cultivate that persona. I mean, he already has the beard trick down, so he's a master of disguise!



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Posted 29 April 2019 - 09:52 PM

-Related to the above: Captain Marvel's limited presence in the film. Nick Fury's final act before disappearing was to summon her, and she didn't really do much plot-wise. She was a fine addition to the team, but her standalone film coming out a month prior (in retrospect) feels like a rush job since it didn't add a whole lot. I know Endgame was primarily focused on the core Avengers but still. 

There were a lot of expectations for her to have a bigger role in the plot, I assume based on Danvers pretty high level of power, but if they went that route I could see it overshadowing how much everyone coming together really meant. I would still say she was pretty important to the plot though since she leaves after her post-credit scene in CM to go rescue Tony and Nebula, helps kill Infinity War Thanos, then wrecks 2014 Thanos' mother ship during the final fight.

 

I think the real goal for Captain Marvel so far was establishing a potential big character for the next phase, a more traditional hero to bring cosmic related subjects into focus so it's not entirely shoulder by the goofball Guardians. Aside from the obvious set ups I feel like the one-off mention of an ocean earthquake was to set up Namor as he is by far the most prominent underwater character in Marvel.



#12 SIX min WHISTLE   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   4050 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 10:02 PM

Or he was in the main timeline, just hiding. Peggy never mentioned who she married by name, just some guy Cap saved in the war. By the time Sharon comes around, he would have had time to cultivate that persona. I mean, he already has the beard trick down, so he's a master of disguise!

Yeah, I suppose that's the real explanation since they went of their way to never really show or mention who she ended up with in the movies or her own show. Having two version of Nebula didn't seem to have a negative effect on our timeline even after one was killed. The only thing that would feel a bit off about this would be Steve completely giving up on his ability to help people, even if he scaled it back and used a different identity. I guess he would probably know how to avoid attention, SHIELD or otherwise, at this point so maybe it's feasible. Though if Carter still founded the organization I imagine he would be involved in some capacity. Man, this is a whole other rabbit hole.

 

I wonder if Cap's super serum abilities would pass on to his kids and so on.

 

I wonder if they made Nebula's burnt arm look so Terminator-y on purposed because of the time travel stuff.



#13 gamegirlpocket   hope rides alone CAGiversary!   2437 Posts   Joined 3.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 10:16 PM

Also, you think Steve Rogers stopped being a hero or soldier just because he went back to the 1940s or 1970s to be with Peggy Carter? I bet they went on adventures, her being a founding member of Shield. I want a sequel in the past where they go on a spy mission now.

 

I really liked it. Did not feel like three hours, and like I told my son, "I'm sure the internet will tell me why I'm wrong, but that was amazing." Even poking around, I haven't really seen anyone with serious criticism, just pieces and parts they didn't like that was fine for me.

 

It was a bit of a trope, but felt like they wanted to make sure everyone understood both characters were willing to sacrifice themselves. It wasn't some kind of judgement on who had kids to go back to or whatever. I was kinda hoping for Natasha to figure out who Skull was and see if Spartan kicking him off the edge would satisfy the "give a soul" requirement, or some cheesy "you were both willing, so here's the Stone, you crazy kids".

 

But that's why I don't write billion dollar movies.

 

I do kind of want to see some shorts on the home release about Steve putting the stones back. Clint wouldn't have known who the Guardian was, and that would have been an extra layer of "Really?" for Cap.

 

I would say I like the fact that most of the stuff in the trailers was from early in the movie. About an hour in, it occurred to me that I had seen most, if not all, of the trailer scenes. So I'm willing to give a pass on this one in favor of thumbing their nose at "the movie just fills in the story you already know from the trailer".

When I was making my original list I forgot about Natasha vs Clint. Probably my only real complaint, Clint is such an under-developed character (he barely talks in a lot of the movies, and really feels like a sidekick IMHO) whereas Natasha is often a partner and problem solver with Steve. I know the point of Endgame was to have a conclusive story which is why they waited until the final film for that, but I would have been much happier if 1) Clint did it or 2) they found a solution to negotiate with Red Skull.

 

On that note - yes, any kind of scene with Cap confronting Red Skull on Vormir would be excellent. 

 

And I agree re: the trailer footage, they really didn't show much of the main conflict, and they also had footage in the trailer that wasn't in the film (Captain Marvel showing up and demanding to know where Nick Fury is).

 

 

There were a lot of expectations for her to have a bigger role in the plot, I assume based on Danvers pretty high level of power, but if they went that route I could see it overshadowing how much everyone coming together really meant. I would still say she was pretty important to the plot though since she leaves after her post-credit scene in CM to go rescue Tony and Nebula, helps kill Infinity War Thanos, then wrecks 2014 Thanos' mother ship during the final fight.

 

I think the real goal for Captain Marvel so far was establishing a potential big character for the next phase, a more traditional hero to bring cosmic related subjects into focus so it's not entirely shoulder by the goofball Guardians. Aside from the obvious set ups I feel like the one-off mention of an ocean earthquake was to set up Namor as he is by far the most prominent underwater character in Marvel.

 

Good points. I like that they take their time with that stuff and don't rush the otherworldly things too much, and her dialogue in Endgame does a good job establishing just how big the universe is (thousands of planets, she says) which gives them lots of room for storytelling. Guardians, Danvers sequel, potential X-Men stuff. MCU has done such a great job building worlds and characters, despite this being an end, it opens up a lot more for future storylines.



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Posted 29 April 2019 - 10:58 PM

Also, you think Steve Rogers stopped being a hero or soldier just because he went back to the 1940s or 1970s to be with Peggy Carter? I bet they went on adventures, her being a founding member of Shield. I want a sequel in the past where they go on a spy mission now.

It's hard to say, it seems like doing major "heroing" would be an easy way to mess up the timeline. With the time machine they are actively changing timelines but and only seem concerned about specifically bringing back the stones because the Ancent One tells them those times would be fucked without them. With the un-dust snap Banner (or Stark?) warns that they need to bring them back in the present, presumably so it doesn't affect the past. I would imagine Cap would want to keep Hydra from taking over SHIELD at the bare minimum, but that would re-write a lot of the events we've already experienced in the main timeline. 

 

It's a whole mess, and I assume Feige/The Russos realize this so left it really vague on purpose. Bringing in time travel and different timelines can easily lead to continuity going to complete shit like we've seen in more recent years with the Fox X-Men, and if events can be completely changed with no consequences, especially off screen, I think it could have a negative effect on the some of the MCUs appeal.

 

With Cap, I imagine the somewhat safe compromise would be for him to stay out of events that directly involve him or virtually anything else we see on film. The shield he gives to Falcon is a different design than the one we've seen through the series, so it is possible he was active as Captain America again, but it seems more likely he commissioned either Howard Stark or maybe Wakanda to make another one to give to his successor.



#15 gamegirlpocket   hope rides alone CAGiversary!   2437 Posts   Joined 3.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 11:19 PM

All very true. I'd still be into a divergent timeline or non-canon retro espionage film with the two of them. It's also very possible that he did retire or just became a high school gym teacher, lol.



#16 bardockkun   Porn, Kitsch And Firearms CAGiversary!   13796 Posts   Joined 13.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 11:46 PM

And I imagine Cap just going through the newspapers and seeing someone getting assassinated or "mysterious accident" and Cap just laughs and says "Oh Bucky! You rascal and your crazy adventures!"

 

Also I gotta say I do love the cold opening with the Barton household and just them all turning to dust with no warning.

 

Did the CGI on the Hulk look off to anybody else? Maybe it was just because Mark Ruffalo's voice was coming out of him instead of the character's usual deep, growly voice, but every time he spoke I lost my suspension of disbelief. Surprising to me, given how good Thanos's CGI was.

 

I Think it was off mostly because of framing of his scenes and lighting. Majority of Hulk's scenes seem to be in broad daylight so easier for it to look unnatural and the background not much is going on. Though yeah it just overall wasn't as smooth looking as Thanos.



#17 aenima122  

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Posted 30 April 2019 - 02:28 AM

I gotta say I am extremely stoked about Guardians 3 with Thor-Lebowski along for the ride. I can't think of a better storyline for him based on how he was handled in Ragnarok.

I know it was supposed to be as clean of an ending to the whole series of films, but was bummed about no mid/post credit type stuff. Based on a previous tweet from the Russo's showing a purple glove, I was really hoping they were going to shoehorn a last minute Fox add of Kang monologue-ing about the timeline being adjusted and that he needed to make it right.

#18 Navigator2001Plus  

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Posted 30 April 2019 - 09:02 AM

Lots of jumbled thoughts about Endgame.

What I appreciated:

-all that stuff about movie tropes for time travel not being true, and then they go and pull a Yar (as in, TNG reviving Yar by pulling her out of an alternate timeline in Yesterday's Enterprise) with Loki and Gamorra. The characters we knew were still murdered by Thanos, but a version of them will persist in the MCU. I'm mostly okay with that.

 Yeah, it'll be really interesting to see Quill deal with knowing the Gamora he knew is dead forever, and the one from alt-2014 has no idea who he is. I actually kind of hope that they don't have them get together. And my first thought when Loki disappeared with the Tesseract in alt-2012 was that this would form the basis for the Loki TV show, and it seems like most of the internet agrees with this. The adventures of a space hopping Loki in alt-2012 would be fun to watch.
 

Did the CGI on the Hulk look off to anybody else? Maybe it was just because Mark Ruffalo's voice was coming out of him instead of the character's usual deep, growly voice, but every time he spoke I lost my suspension of disbelief. Surprising to me, given how good Thanos's CGI was.

 I thought it looked fine, myself. In fact, I thought all the CGI in the film looked great. I never had a moment watching it where I thought something looked off.
 

My only minor gripe was the questionable logistics of old Steve showing up without the use of the time machine thing. By the logic explained about causing messed up branches it seems like he would have needed to live his life in a different timeline, then return to the original MCU timeline through the machine at that point.

 Well, we do see Tony and Steve go straight from alt-2012 to alt-1970 without jumping from or landing at a pad. To be honest, I'm not quite sure what the pad is supposed to do. It's kind of vague, but since we've seen a jump without one, I don't consider it a plot hole, even if the movie doesn't fully explain it all.
 

With some of the infinity stones being in containers (Tesseract, Loki's scepter), how did Steve return them? Did he just return them like that?

 I was wondering that too. At any rate, they already split the timeline by showing up and taking them, and it probably doesn't make much difference if they are just returned as stones. The Tesseract and scepter are eventually cracked open anyway by Thanos.
 

Or he was in the main timeline, just hiding. Peggy never mentioned who she married by name, just some guy Cap saved in the war. By the time Sharon comes around, he would have had time to cultivate that persona. I mean, he already has the beard trick down, so he's a master of disguise!

I think this violates the rules established by the movie though. Banner explicitly states that one moment in time cannot simultaneously be your past and your future.

 

If that Steve was always there, then the MCU we've been following this whole time has actually been a branch from a different originating timeline, and the Steve we see at the end is not "our" Steve. Unless something else contradicts this, I am assuming that Steve created an alternate reality when he went back, prevented all of the bad shit we've seen in the MCU from ever happening, and after Peggy was gone and he was too old to continue fighting, returned to the main timeline at the exact moment his younger self left (I don't think how is super important, but there's multiple explanations), walked to the bench, and sat down.

 

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Anyway, I've been reading a lot of people's thoughts about this movie after I saw it, and I'm kind of shocked by how many people think certain things are plot holes in the movie because they're still using Back to the Future logic to analyze it even though the movie tells us that BTTF is bullshit. People wondering why older Nebula didn't disappear when she killed the younger version, and how Infinity War even happened at all if Thanos from 2014 left and came to 2023 and then died. I don't know how it's possible to watch the movie and miss the multiple times they explain how their time travel will work.

 

Also, I've seen people say that the remaining Avengers can just go to alt-2014 to get Black Widow back, because their Thanos died in 2023, and they no longer need her for the sacrifice. Yes, great idea. Our heroes should definitely go kidnap a younger alternate version of their friend to make themselves happy.

 

There's also people who not only think the movie uses BTTF logic, but that when Tony snapped he just sent Thanos back in time to 2014 to preserve the timeline. Yeah, that makes total sense. The movie doesn't use single timeline logic, but even if it did, you've now sent back in time a Thanos who will wipe out EVERYTHING with his very first snap.

 

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Aside from it being unclear how Cap shows up at the end, and what exactly time pad things do when you can do a jump without being on one or going to one, I thought the movie was really consistent with how it used time travel and how it explained everything. I think I liked "part 1" a little more than this "part 2" because its story is more streamlined, and frankly, I kind of love movies where the villain unexpectedly wins, and no moment in the theater has ever been more eerie for me than seeing my favorite characters turn to dust. The theater being packed full and being deadly quiet made it even more impactful.

 

It does get major points from all the amazing fanservice moments in the final battle though. I can't really think of any major gripes with the movie. I loved it, saw it three times in three days, and enjoyed it every time. It really doesn't even feel like a 3 hour movie.



#19 gamegirlpocket   hope rides alone CAGiversary!   2437 Posts   Joined 3.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 April 2019 - 02:49 PM

A few responses:

 

-I think we're used to seeing Hulk more in motion, and the CGI looks better when it's clobberin' time than when he's sitting at a table, speaking politely. The voice thing also throws it off to hear puny Banner coming out of Hulk, because we've already heard Hulk talk a lot in Ragnarok and develop a personality when he isn't in rage mode. Whedon's Hulk in 2012 is still the best IMHO, and the fight w/ Tony in Ultron is still my favorite Hulk moment from the entire franchise. I'm more disappointed we didn't see Banner's evolution into "Professor Hulk" and that they didn't explore the dual identities more when he visits the Ancient One. That scene was ripe for investigating his two sides and it never happened, which is a bummer. Apparently Universal Studios still owns the rights to distributing solo Hulk films, which is the main reason Hulk appears in the MCU but there's no Banner solo film. 

 

-A critique I saw on reddit that I agree with: during the final battle, there's a real fan-servicey shot of all the female characters converging for a moment, and Natasha's absence was really noticeable, because she should have been leading that charge. I also think her death deserved a little more grieving, Tony gets this huge sendoff (deservedly so) and Natasha's death is barely acknowledged beyond the moments after Clint returns without her. 

 

-I figure it's right that Cap probably used the Pym particles to jump back to his original origin point after being gone for ~40-50 years, rather than aging into the current timeline. There's no mention of there being a cutoff - can you be gone 8 hours, a week, a year, 40 years before your origin point is obsolete? I'm more interested in knowing how they program their suits in 2012 to get to the 1970s without returning to 2023, since all that programming seems to be done on Banner's end and they are just caught in the current. Ultimately it doesn't matter and I think a little ambiguity for the sake of storytelling is fine.

 

The aftermath of Endgame may also give them an excuse to take a break from Avengers and explore the new characters Disney now has license for. Spider-Man meeting up with the Human Torch or being a vessel to introduce the Fantastic Four in the MCU sure would be rad, similar to how Civil War introduced Spider-Man and streamlined his origin.



#20 bardockkun   Porn, Kitsch And Firearms CAGiversary!   13796 Posts   Joined 13.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 April 2019 - 03:47 PM

I Didn't really mind the lAdies assemble ("A-Force assemble"?) mostly because I HAAAATED the "Just a Girl" scene in Captain Marvel. That was way too corny and pandering that it will forever remain in my head that I can only smile and nod in the Endgame ladies show up scene together scene, because it wasn't as aggravating as that. Also a few people clapped at that scene so I'm happy for them, but yeah Black Widow not being there is a glaring omission.



#21 Navigator2001Plus  

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Posted 30 April 2019 - 04:49 PM

Tony gets this huge sendoff (deservedly so) and Natasha's death is barely acknowledged beyond the moments after Clint returns without her.

I've seen that complaint a lot, but to me, that memorial service felt like it was more for everyone they lost, and not just Tony, even though we do see Pepper put the flowers with the "proof that Tony Stark has a heart" thing in the water. At the service, we also see Clint and Wanda share a moment where they talk about Nat and Vision.

 

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One thing I do wonder about that I forgot in my last post: if taking a stone from a given reality does terrible things to it, what's going on in the reality we follow now that Thanos has destroyed the stones? He does say he reduced them to atoms, at least, rather than erased them from existence, so are we to assume that even though they are not in the form of stones that one can manipulate, their matter being in the universe still helps prevent it from falling apart? It's very unclear, and I wonder if it's a setup for a future movie.



#22 gamegirlpocket   hope rides alone CAGiversary!   2437 Posts   Joined 3.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 01 May 2019 - 01:26 PM

Added the new(ish) Spider-Man trailer to the OP. Watching it again after Endgame gives it a different feel. 

 

ALSO

 

Since it takes place in 2023, that means they will be dealing with the aftermath of everything that happened with Thanos. It also means they worked hard to avoid showing any dates in the trailer, notice the year is missing for the dates on his passport:

 

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#23 Navigator2001Plus  

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Posted 03 May 2019 - 09:12 AM

I keep seeing people on the internet saying Thanos's ship going to 2023 is a plot hole when evil Nebula only took one vial of Pym particles from good Nebula. Did ya'll forget when Darren Cross replicated Pym's work in the first Ant-Man without even having a vial of it to study? Evil Nebula is shown giving the vial to Thanos. Do you really think it was that hard for them to copy it?



#24 bardockkun   Porn, Kitsch And Firearms CAGiversary!   13796 Posts   Joined 13.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 03 May 2019 - 11:02 PM

I Saw it again today. Still enjoyed it. Though it's really weird that I grew up on comics and never did I ever think I'd see a theater with people crying over Tony Stark's death.

 

Also I'm impressed at the people watching and their genuine reactions to things and how they were able to avoid spoilers.



#25 Burning Karma   Ready for the mosh pit, shaka brah CAGiversary!   900 Posts   Joined 9.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 05 May 2019 - 05:41 PM

Also I'm impressed at the people watching and their genuine reactions to things and how they were able to avoid spoilers.

This would have been me. I saw it for the first time yesterday and managed to avoid having anything spoiled. Gotta say, I got a little teary eyed at Tony's memorial. Overall, I thought the movie was a satisfying "conclusion" to the decade long build up.



#26 bear489   My Trolliest President CAGiversary!   938 Posts   Joined 8.2 Years Ago  

Posted 06 May 2019 - 01:42 AM

 

Also I'm impressed at the people watching and their genuine reactions to things and how they were able to avoid spoilers.

I was one of those people. It was very hard going on Youtube, my subs has alot of video games and movie channels. Alot of them had videos talking about Endgame. I was so paranoid about even running my mouse over the videos for fear of them auto playing small clips and spoiling things. I thought the movie was great and really didn't feel like a 3 hour movie. I was kinda surprised how packed the theater was. They had sold out the 1pm showing and the 2pm showing I went to was bout 90% full.



#27 bardockkun   Porn, Kitsch And Firearms CAGiversary!   13796 Posts   Joined 13.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 06 May 2019 - 04:14 AM

Watching Game of Thrones and I'm impressed in a way I have more questions for that show by a wide margin than I do a movie that involves time travel and alternate realities.



#28 gamegirlpocket   hope rides alone CAGiversary!   2437 Posts   Joined 3.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 07 May 2019 - 05:57 PM

New Spider-Man trailer with huge Endgame spoilers, openly discussing Tony's death and that apparently the SNAP has triggered some rift with the multi-verse, which is where Mysterio comes from (and is apparently not a villain?)

 

 

The multiverse may be the way they introduce X-Men, Fantastic Four, and the other former Fox movie properties. 

 

It also paves the way for a live-action Spider-Verse....!



#29 Kojubat   Not a Pokémon CAGiversary!   1830 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

Posted 07 May 2019 - 06:14 PM

I would say that if they wanted to keep in the spirit of the character and his abilities, Mysterio is a classic example of an unreliable narrator.

 

That being said, I would be fine if they choose to play it out as depicted.



#30 bear489   My Trolliest President CAGiversary!   938 Posts   Joined 8.2 Years Ago  

Posted 08 May 2019 - 01:13 PM

This is what I'm talking about on YouTube. It's a minor spoiler to the movie but still it robs the viewer the laugh when its revealed. 20190508_090906.jpg