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Lenovo Black Friday 2019 Ad Deals


#31 ritchardf  

Posted 03 November 2019 - 08:07 PM

this is what happens when you post a black friday ad with no deals



#32 KrAzY3   The 3 is silent. CAGiversary!   673 Posts   Joined 15.7 Years Ago  

Posted 03 November 2019 - 08:32 PM

Well, if you wish, you can think I am being paid by president Xi, I really don't mind.

Of course you don't, because you're a propagandist for his government. Now, why you are doing that is anyone's guess.

There's always one of you in any Chinese discussion, and it's pretty suspicious. You say a lot of words, yet they really don't mean anything. I'm sure you're always like that though. I'm guessing you view rape and grabbing someone's ass as the same thing basically. Perhaps you can't tell the difference between punching someone and saying something mean to him. Everything is relative, what China is doing isn't so bad because they are just a country doing things after all.

Who cares if those things are despicable? Who cares how horribly and reprehensible they are behaving? It's just, you know, a country doing stuff and all countries do stuff. Alright man, what ever.



#33 KurishunaMaradi   You seem familiar, did I annoy you before? CAGiversary!   4323 Posts   Joined 6.7 Years Ago  

KurishunaMaradi

Posted 04 November 2019 - 12:05 AM

Can the OP please delete the thread and we can all go back to pretending Lenovo doesn't exist and that there's no BF deal?

#34 psobb  

Posted 04 November 2019 - 06:48 AM

There's always one of you in any Chinese discussion, and it's pretty suspicious. You say a lot of words, yet they really don't mean anything.

Thank you for pointing this up. I had no idea. I also have paper and dissertation published talking about China, China's legal system and how Chinese (the language) has influenced and crafted China's legal system. So I do talk about China all the time since like I said, I used to be a human right lawyer. I visited Xinjiang (where the camps are going on) for my field research when I was in law school. I research on China, like many other lawyer and anthropologists in the US do. Why it is suspicious to you?

 

"Who cares if those things are despicable? Who cares how horribly and reprehensible they are behaving? It's just, you know, a country doing stuff and all countries do stuff. Alright man, what ever."

I don't know if you even read what I said. What I am trying to say is that what they did can be horrible, but it is nonsense to say what we did is absolutely better or worse than what China did since there is no way to prove it.

 

People need to condemn on any government for what they did wrong using consistent standard. You can't say invading other countries and causing human right crisis in other countries does not affect the US human right status since our country protect human right much better domestically. You are not part of it, you cannot experience it does not mean it does not exist. 

So please read it through and try to grasp the logic better. 



#35 KrAzY3   The 3 is silent. CAGiversary!   673 Posts   Joined 15.7 Years Ago  

Posted 04 November 2019 - 01:22 PM

So please read it through and try to grasp the logic better. 

Oh, I do grasp your logic. You are using whataboutism with a healthy dose of ignoring specific egregious human rights violations in China. You have chosen to rather than address problems with China in a discussion about China, to say hey look over there! That's how this always goes though, I say forced abortion and the respondent just refuses to talk about it. They might accuse me of racism (I'm extremely sympathetic to Chinese citizens and people living under Chinese occupations) or call me a sinophobe, but none will do more than give passing credence to specific evil deeds of the Chinese government.

Which coincidentally is exactly how China deals with their dirty laundry. They just don't allow people to talk about it, and that is at the heart of the problem. It is spreading to. Their prohibition on talking about it is spreading and poisoning discourse far outside of China. Send a tweet about Hong Kong and face potential repercussions. Put Taiwan's flag in your movie and that might be a problem. Scrub it from your app while you're at it. Next thing you know you're playing a video game made in New Zealand that Tencent invested in, and magically on the anniversary of Tienanmen's Square political speech is banned and people are muted for mentioning Tienanmen's Square. What a coincidence huh?

That's what so insidious here and why there is no valid comparisons to other countries. No other countries are successfully preventing even discourse about their wrong doings in such a way. Sure, all countries do bad things, but China isn't just unapologetic, they punish you for even mentioning their wrong doings! There is no freedom of press to investigate either, so they can more successfully hide their wrong doings.

There is no analog for China's social credit score system. What it is and will be though is one of the most evil methods of systematic oppression the world has ever seen. Not only can you not speak out against what China is doing, you can't be friends with anyone who did it either! They've created a system that doesn't even allow discussion and furthermore forces complete isolation on anyone who dares to speak up. This to is spreading though, you think it will be contained within China? It already isn't, play a game Tencent owns a stake in and you might find your speech limitations mirroring what goes on in mainland China. Watch a Disney movie and you might see it censored according to what mainland China wants. Watch an interview of an NBA player and you might see him saying what the Chinese government wants. Consider this, NBA athletes are more willing to speak out against the American government than they are to speak out against the Chinese government, even though in theory they should be far more vulnerable to retaliation from the government of the country they live in.

The evil doesn't come entirely in the worst of what China does. It comes from what China's ideal of the world is, how they want things to be everywhere. They don't merely want to dominant economically. They don't merely want to expand their territory. They don't merely want to oppress their own citizens. No, that's not enough. They don't even want discussions like ours to be able to occur, anywhere...



#36 dohdough   Sum Dum Guy CAGiversary!   6860 Posts   Joined 11.2 Years Ago  

Posted 04 November 2019 - 01:41 PM

Oh, I do grasp your logic. You are using whataboutism with a healthy dose of ignoring specific egregious human rights violations in China. You have chosen to rather than address problems with China in a discussion about China, to say hey look over there! That's how this always goes though, I say forced abortion and the respondent just refuses to talk about it. They might accuse me of racism (I'm extremely sympathetic to Chinese citizens and people living under Chinese occupations) or call me a sinophobe, but none will do more than give passing credence to specific evil deeds of the Chinese government.

Which coincidentally is exactly how China deals with their dirty laundry. They just don't allow people to talk about it, and that is at the heart of the problem. It is spreading to. Their prohibition on talking about it is spreading and poisoning discourse far outside of China. Send a tweet about Hong Kong and face potential repercussions. Put Taiwan's flag in your movie and that might be a problem. Scrub it from your app while you're at it. Next thing you know you're playing a video game made in New Zealand that Tencent invested in, and magically on the anniversary of Tienanmen's Square political speech is banned and people are muted for mentioning Tienanmen's Square. What a coincidence huh?

That's what so insidious here and why there is no valid comparisons to other countries. No other countries are successfully preventing even discourse about their wrong doings in such a way. Sure, all countries do bad things, but China isn't just unapologetic, they punish you for even mentioning their wrong doings! There is no freedom of press to investigate either, so they can more successfully hide their wrong doings.

There is no analog for China's social credit score system. What it is and will be though is one of the most evil methods of systematic oppression the world has ever seen. Not only can you not speak out against what China is doing, you can't be friends with anyone who did it either! They've created a system that doesn't even allow discussion and furthermore forces complete isolation on anyone who dares to speak up. This to is spreading though, you think it will be contained within China? It already isn't, play a game Tencent owns a stake in and you might find your speech limitations mirroring what goes on in mainland China. Watch a Disney movie and you might see it censored according to what mainland China wants. Watch an interview of an NBA player and you might see him saying what the Chinese government wants. Consider this, NBA athletes are more willing to speak out against the American government than they are to speak out against the Chinese government, even though in theory they should be far more vulnerable to retaliation from the government of the country they live in.

The evil doesn't come entirely in the worst of what China does. It comes from what China's ideal of the world is, how they want things to be everywhere. They don't merely want to dominant economically. They don't merely want to expand their territory. They don't merely want to oppress their own citizens. No, that's not enough. They don't even want discussions like ours to be able to occur, anywhere...

 

Wow. Yellow Peril much? You understand that these companies and organizations have no obligation to actually do business with or localize media for China, right? You’d be more productive holding domestic businesses accountable for exploiting virtual and literal slave labor than jumping on the “ Fuck China” train. Moving factories to other developing countries doesn’t solve the problem either when other countries have similar human rights abuses. Blaming China is scapegoating them without looking at the system that led to these issues.

 

Why is there politics in a Black Friday deal thread anyways...



#37 Super Strider TurbulenceEX   Son of the Old Gods CAGiversary!   767 Posts   Joined 2.3 Years Ago  

Super Strider TurbulenceEX

Posted 04 November 2019 - 02:12 PM

Wow. Yellow Peril much? You understand that these companies and organizations have no obligation to actually do business with or localize media for China, right? You’d be more productive holding domestic businesses accountable for exploiting virtual and literal slave labor than jumping on the “ Fuck China” train. Moving factories to other developing countries doesn’t solve the problem either when other countries have similar human rights abuses. Blaming China is scapegoating them without looking at the system that led to these issues.

 

Why is there politics in a Black Friday deal thread anyways...

Someone complained about spyware on Lenevo. 

 

Then someone else brought in US/China politics.

Then he came back with his alt account to pour gasoline in the fire.



#38 psobb  

Posted 05 November 2019 - 03:30 AM

Which coincidentally is exactly how China deals with their dirty laundry. 

All I was saying is that China does have their dirty laundry and so do we. That's it. I don't know where did you get the "give passing credence to specific evil deeds of the Chinese government" part. Also, if you really want to show your patriotism, while keep an eye on Chinese government, you really should pay more attention on our own government as well since they have very much different dirty laundry collections. In terms of human right status, shouting at China for its F does not make our D even close to be "good".

 

Let me put in this way, if you think many policies the China's government carried out are evil, for example, to take away freedom of speech and many more (Which it is, btw). What do you think about our government did over the years to invade other countries causing humanitarian crisis in other countries, turn people into refugees, and take away innocent people's right to life. That's fine to you because...Chinese government does a crappier job or you think sacrificing other people's human right in other countries does not matter? 

 

"but China isn't just unapologetic, they punish you for even mentioning their wrong doings! " You are right, but unfortunately, our government also does this. Do you really don't know that? What happened to Snowden? If you go to China, people complain about their government all the time. However, if what you said caused great impact, yes, that person will be in trouble. The government might invite him or her to "have a cup of tea". As I mentioned above, no matter who did it, it is equally unfortunate and evil.  



#39 Jhingles  

Jhingles

Posted 05 November 2019 - 03:35 AM

So this is where the Chinese bootlickers have been hiding, eh. This 'deal' is a mess, wtf.

#40 lionheart059   CAG in Training CAGiversary!   609 Posts   Joined 7.8 Years Ago  

lionheart059

Posted 06 November 2019 - 07:18 PM

So this is where the Chinese bootlickers have been hiding, eh. This 'deal' is a mess, wtf.

I was shocked to see a Lenovo BF thread, but now I'm just wondering what wrong turn I made to get into this political spy thriller.



#41 KurishunaMaradi   You seem familiar, did I annoy you before? CAGiversary!   4323 Posts   Joined 6.7 Years Ago  

KurishunaMaradi

Posted 06 November 2019 - 08:02 PM

Can the OP at least change the title to reflect the content? Thanks, mkay.

#42 BadWaluigi=Luigi  

BadWaluigi=Luigi

Posted 06 November 2019 - 11:24 PM

Keep saying that and it will become true. "China wants to end democracy..." sounds about right but also not right. Stop your silly and whiny white supremacy. What is wrong with not believing in democracy? The world and universe does not work and follow on a single value that human being created. DIVERSITY.


That is some killer logic, to jump from supporting democracy to being a white supremacist and nationalist. You must have some rocket boots on to make that leap!

#43 MR X   Unknown Member CAGiversary!   73 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

Posted 06 November 2019 - 11:59 PM

Thank you.



#44 lt_homer  

Posted 08 November 2019 - 12:41 AM

The Chinese gov't shill on this thread is super hilarious. Created an account just to shill for them lmao