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#8371 Donken   President & CEO CAGiversary!   4278 Posts   Joined 14.1 Years Ago  

Posted 22 June 2020 - 12:49 AM

The preview program is ass in the first place. There's legit no reason to join and not a single benefit. Getting a shit ton of updates for a dashboard update (while taking with it all the glitches and crashes and such) like a month or so before anyone before it changes again in another few months is one of the biggest waste of time ever. It's like you're asking for punishment.


Except that time preview members got to update to 3 years of Gamepass Ultimate way before anyone else.

#8372 even13flow   Founder of GamerNation CAGiversary!   712 Posts   Joined 7.8 Years Ago  

Posted 22 June 2020 - 01:02 AM

Except that time preview members got to update to 3 years of Gamepass Ultimate way before anyone else.


Totally forgot about that. That and when Xbox 360 BC was piloted to preview program only were the two major benefits

#8373 bardockkun   Porn, Kitsch And Firearms CAGiversary!   14753 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

bardockkun

Posted 22 June 2020 - 01:06 AM

Except that time preview members got to update to 3 years of Gamepass Ultimate way before anyone else.

But everyone got the same exact deal a month or so later except now we learned how to get those 3 years from people who didn't understand the whole conversion thing while in the Preview.



#8374 whitereflection   Shake well before serving CAGiversary!   5699 Posts   Joined 16.7 Years Ago  

whitereflection

Posted 22 June 2020 - 01:10 AM

Exactly what I was thinking. Plus the console was out of warranty. It warns you when you sign up for the program. I guess we've just given up on personal responsibility.
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Does personal responsibility include owning your BS? Nowhere does it warn you that it could permanently break your system. You only know that because it already happened to other people. Here's what it actually says: https://news.xbox.co...?resize=940,528

Then when you click on the agreement to join the program, it states: "By choosing Accept, you are telling us you are eligible and willing to access and participate in previewing and providing feedback on Xbox content before it is rolled out to the general public, which could temporarily cause diminished or lost functionality."

The descriptions for the Alpha rings read: "Preview Alpha is the cutting edge, and users in this group receive access to new features and fixes as soon as possible at the expense of potential bugs." The one for Alpha Skip-Ahead says: Preview Alpha Skip-Ahead offers an advanced look at a future version of Xbox One system updates. Users in this group receive very new features and fixes at the expense of potential bugs. "

Do you really think MS would explicitly state that the program could permanently brick your system? Why would they admit that it's a liability, and why would anyone join the program if that was the case?

#8375 elitewillie   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2995 Posts   Joined 13.8 Years Ago  

elitewillie

Posted 22 June 2020 - 01:17 AM

Does personal responsibility include owning your BS? Nowhere does it warn you that it could permanently break your system. You only know that because it already happened to other people. Here's what it actually says: https://news.xbox.co...?resize=940,528

Then when you click on the agreement to join the program, it states: "By choosing Accept, you are telling us you are eligible and willing to access and participate in previewing and providing feedback on Xbox content before it is rolled out to the general public, which could temporarily cause diminished or lost functionality."

The descriptions for the Alpha rings read: "Preview Alpha is the cutting edge, and users in this group receive access to new features and fixes as soon as possible at the expense of potential bugs." The one for Alpha Skip-Ahead says: Preview Alpha Skip-Ahead offers an advanced look at a future version of Xbox One system updates. Users in this group receive very new features and fixes at the expense of potential bugs. "

Do you really think MS would explicitly state that the program could permanently brick your system? Why would they admit that it's a liability, and why would anyone join the program if that was the case?

Potential bugs. That's what caused your bricking. Of course they're not gonna spell it out. Is this the first time you read terms of service written by a large corporation? If you can't handle the risk then don't sign up. It's voluntary.

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#8376 darthfracas   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   1080 Posts   Joined 8.4 Years Ago  

darthfracas

Posted 22 June 2020 - 01:48 AM

Trying to finish Life Is Strange 2 before it leaves Game Pass. Is it me or this this even worse than the first one?

#8377 summer   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   104 Posts   Joined 10.4 Years Ago  

Posted 22 June 2020 - 01:55 AM

Trying to finish Life Is Strange 2 before it leaves Game Pass. Is it me or this this even worse than the first one?

I liked the first one and the prequel, the second one was a fucking slog.  I couldn't quit though with how easy/mind numbing it was to 100% though. Last achievement popped and I believe I yelled something like "Thank fucking christ!"  Could not possibly have cared less about those whiny idiotic characters.



#8378 2ndopp   CAG Assassin CAGiversary!   461 Posts   Joined 7.3 Years Ago  

Posted 22 June 2020 - 02:31 AM

Still waiting for Shenmue VR so I can get the full experience



#8379 Babysinclair   Banned Banned   44 Posts   Joined 0.2 Years Ago  

Babysinclair

Posted 22 June 2020 - 02:44 AM

Still waiting for Shenmue VR so I can get the full experience


Oh that would be amazing Shenhua in VR, I don’t know if I can last 5 minutes

#8380 Dustinator   Why hello....... CAGiversary!   1483 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

Dustinator

Posted 22 June 2020 - 03:15 AM

Trying to finish Life Is Strange 2 before it leaves Game Pass. Is it me or this this even worse than the first one?

Not every "walking sim" is for everyone. I loved Life is Strange and LiS: Before the Storm. This game isn't everybody's cup of tea for sure. It really hits home right now, given the current state of America. It's been a tear jerker for me the whole way, very heavy material regarding how effed up things can get.

That said, I've LOVED every moment and seek out all the conversation pieces just by inspecting them. Even though it came out 2+ years ago, top 3 game this year IMO. Just finishing up episode 2 now. Gotta finish this thing before the 30th

#8381 LoganDX   Five by Five, B CAGiversary!   1896 Posts   Joined 16.6 Years Ago  

Posted 22 June 2020 - 03:47 AM

I bought it off someone who stole it from Walmart so they didn’t get any money from me.


Remember this part while you guys are fighting over the bricking. He admits to buying stolen property so 🤷🤦 I have no sympathy

#8382 cancerman1120   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   10835 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

cancerman1120

Posted 22 June 2020 - 04:38 AM

Finally made it through the first open section of Metro Exodus and now I am on the train. I am enjoying going around just listening to everyone more than I enjoyed getting through that level. 



#8383 p0rn0saur   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2868 Posts   Joined 13.4 Years Ago  

p0rn0saur

Posted 22 June 2020 - 04:42 AM

Finally made it through the first open section of Metro Exodus and now I am on the train. I am enjoying going around just listening to everyone more than I enjoyed getting through that level. 

I think the first big one is the worst level, It's not for everyone. Desert one was pretty good. 



#8384 BobbyTastic   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   9074 Posts   Joined 9.5 Years Ago  

BobbyTastic

Posted 22 June 2020 - 05:00 AM

Anyone defending Microsoft not replacing a console their own beta testing program bricked is hopelessly fanatical.
No other company refuses to take responsibility for their (unpaid, might I add) beta testers.
You should have called them out on Twitter and/or Reddit so that the bad PR would serve as a motivating force.
No one's saying that they aren't accepting any risk but they're operating under the reasonable assumption that the risk is simply having your console out of commission while MS fixes or replaces it (as they should).

#8385 Babysinclair   Banned Banned   44 Posts   Joined 0.2 Years Ago  

Babysinclair

Posted 22 June 2020 - 05:16 AM

You said you like going around and listening to everyone in Metro, I just don’t have the patience anymore for that stuff, I used to always do that maybe 5 years ago, but as you get older you tend not to care about that in games.

#8386 p0rn0saur   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2868 Posts   Joined 13.4 Years Ago  

p0rn0saur

Posted 22 June 2020 - 05:44 AM

You said you like going around and listening to everyone in Metro, I just don’t have the patience anymore for that stuff, I used to always do that maybe 5 years ago, but as you get older you tend not to care about that in games.

Definitely not for you then, believe it or not there are scripted on skippale moments in the game you have to actually sit and listen to their stuff like Half Life 1. Crazy I know. 



#8387 cancerman1120   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   10835 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

cancerman1120

Posted 22 June 2020 - 06:04 AM

Installing my $10 copy of Forza 7 from Best buy and it is 65 GB update...wont be trying this tonight.



#8388 cancerman1120   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   10835 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

cancerman1120

Posted 22 June 2020 - 06:58 AM

I just noticed that games now say Game Pass, Gold or nothing. Late to the game most likely but this feature makes me so happy. So tired of trying to figure out how I currently own my X1 games. 



#8389 RiPPn  

Posted 22 June 2020 - 07:03 AM

Trying to finish Life Is Strange 2 before it leaves Game Pass. Is it me or this this even worse than the first one?

Definitely not on the level of the first 2.  The episodes feel like filler to get to the end more than move the story forward like the first 2 did.  And one characters voice acting was jarringly bad, the thug at the farm, sounded like they called an intern in to read the lines. lol  Like Dustinator said the political overtones are highly relevant to what is going on in real life and that is interesting enough to get me through the game. 



#8390 entexman  

entexman

Posted 22 June 2020 - 07:17 AM

With respect to the insider program bricking systems. I think it is really hard to prove that an update of the software will brick the system and in no way does Microsoft want to start a precedent of offering free repairs just because you joined the insider program.

 

 I would not recommend anyone joining the insider program unless you are willing to be a guinea pig for a bunch of stuff that may never make it into the actual production release of the OS. I personally don't like that Microsoft has basically pushed testing of Windows 10 out to the general public. There are serious quality issues with this approach. Works fine with Open source software since you are getting what you paid for. Not so great for commercial software where one expects a certain level of stability/consistency.   I feel like XBox One has had way too many updates to the user interface. Some people like all that churn. For me I prefer a simple interface with minimal changes over the life of the console. And don't get me started with all the services that come and go on the XBox One. I am looking specifically at Groove music.



#8391 Freeze Time  

Freeze Time

Posted 22 June 2020 - 08:56 AM

Do I have to install the whole Master Chief collection on Game Pass if I only want to play Reach? I really don't want to have to download 100 GB just for Reach. I just need to play Reach and Halo 5 to have played all the main games.

Google is only telling me I can manage which games to uninstall but not telling me if I have to download the whole 100 GB file. That makes me think I do which is incredibly lame.

#8392 FlawlessImage  

FlawlessImage

Posted 22 June 2020 - 09:28 AM

They give you a warning when you join the program. They aren't forcing you to. You took the risk joining the program. Why should they be responsible? You took responsibility for any issues when you agreed to join the program.

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With that said I don’t think people expect that means their console will get bricked.

#8393 FlawlessImage  

FlawlessImage

Posted 22 June 2020 - 09:34 AM

Edit - Actually it’s not even worth it on this site 😂

#8394 lightskintwin   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   140 Posts   Joined 9.2 Years Ago  

lightskintwin

Posted 22 June 2020 - 12:36 PM

Do I have to install the whole Master Chief collection on Game Pass if I only want to play Reach? I really don't want to have to download 100 GB just for Reach. I just need to play Reach and Halo 5 to have played all the main games.

Google is only telling me I can manage which games to uninstall but not telling me if I have to download the whole 100 GB file. That makes me think I do which is incredibly lame.

You have to download up until it says Ready to Start, then start the game and you can select and deselect what you want or don't want to download.



#8395 jimbobvaquero  

jimbobvaquero

Posted 22 June 2020 - 01:59 PM

So if anybody is wondering, replacing the hard drive with an SSD in your X is a pretty simple process. There's an excellent guide on ifixit to see what and how you need to disassemble. And then there's a guide with links to a script to auto format the new drive on pcsavants.com. It's pretty easy if you've taken apart electronics and can copy and paste a script into the windows powershell.

 

The results of this experiment? I doubled the internal storage and improved the speed with the SSD. The real noticeable difference is using the Xbox interface. Everything is quicker and loads the icons for your games much faster. I couldn't really tell the difference in-game, since I already run some games off an external SSD. But it seems to be comparable to those speeds. If you have the inkling and the small amount of tech-knowledge that it requires, I would say to give it a try. I followed the instructions to a tee, and my system booted right back up like nothing had changed.



#8396 gospelman   Irreducibly Complex CAGiversary!   2701 Posts   Joined 11.0 Years Ago  

Posted 22 June 2020 - 02:06 PM

The real noticeable difference is using the Xbox interface. 

Yeah, this continues to really bother me.  Going to do this fairly soon on my cyberpunk 1x.  Waiting to finish claiming all the digital content on the console first.

 

When researching this I've read a couple random posts of people claiming to have trouble with future updates after replacing the internal hdd.  But who knows, those people might not know what they're doing.



#8397 jimbobvaquero  

jimbobvaquero

Posted 22 June 2020 - 02:15 PM

Yeah, this continues to really bother me.  Going to do this fairly soon on my cyberpunk 1x.  Waiting to finish claiming all the digital content on the console first.

 

When researching this I've read a couple random posts of people claiming to have trouble with future updates after replacing the internal hdd.  But who knows, those people might not know what they're doing.

I was expecting to have to do an Offline System Update, which would basically be starting from scratch. I was surprised when the guide says you could drag and drop files from the old drive to the new one (after the new drive is formattted properly) and it would just boot up again. When it did, it took it a minute to load everything and get "right" again, but once it did, everything was quicker.

 

I had a much harder time when I took my pc from a HDD to an SSD. 



#8398 Pheran   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   1486 Posts   Joined 15.7 Years Ago  

Posted 22 June 2020 - 02:16 PM

Yeah, this continues to really bother me.  Going to do this fairly soon on my cyberpunk 1x.  Waiting to finish claiming all the digital content on the console first.

 

When researching this I've read a couple random posts of people claiming to have trouble with future updates after replacing the internal hdd.  But who knows, those people might not know what they're doing.

I've been running my X1X off a 2TB FireCuda SSHD for a long time now and have zero issues.



#8399 bardockkun   Porn, Kitsch And Firearms CAGiversary!   14753 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

bardockkun

Posted 22 June 2020 - 03:18 PM

Hey everyone! Remember ALF? He's back! In pog Summer Game Fest form!



#8400 wormycoolness  

wormycoolness

Posted 22 June 2020 - 03:39 PM

So if anybody is wondering, replacing the hard drive with an SSD in your X is a pretty simple process. There's an excellent guide on ifixit to see what and how you need to disassemble. And then there's a guide with links to a script to auto format the new drive on pcsavants.com. It's pretty easy if you've taken apart electronics and can copy and paste a script into the windows powershell.

 

The results of this experiment? I doubled the internal storage and improved the speed with the SSD. The real noticeable difference is using the Xbox interface. Everything is quicker and loads the icons for your games much faster. I couldn't really tell the difference in-game, since I already run some games off an external SSD. But it seems to be comparable to those speeds. If you have the inkling and the small amount of tech-knowledge that it requires, I would say to give it a try. I followed the instructions to a tee, and my system booted right back up like nothing had changed.

Which make and model of SSD did you use?