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#8431 camperinabush   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1344 Posts   Joined 7.4 Years Ago  

camperinabush

Posted 22 June 2020 - 09:54 PM

It's kinda like Harry Potter's invisibility cloak, except it helps make criticism invisible :-$

For the record, hadn't seen anything on that subject until today so I have no idea what has transpired, but apparently quite a few streamers were very upset with the people running Mixer over alleged discrimination within the company operations. A lot of speculation that shutting down Mixer is related but who knows.

And before anyone tries to start an argument, Mixer responded on Twitter acknowledging they effed up.


A higher-up at Mixer referred to their streamers as slaves and that they were the master, so pretty serious stuff. I don’t think this was the sole reason for the Mixer shutdown, but it helped. Not the kind of press that Microsoft wants right before next-gen launch...

#8432 dorath  

Posted 22 June 2020 - 10:05 PM

Stop. You're not making the argument any better. Comparing someone that sits on their ass playing video games in front of a camera to someone that plays a sport is just a shitty take. They aren't comparable. Why do you think so many people even try to stream? Because it doesn't take any effort. So, yes, someone that sits in front of a computer screen and made 30 million dollars is indeed overpaid. And most of them are entitled twats that can't do anything else in life but play video games.

I would imagine that shows like AGT, American Idol, The Voice etc are all about people thinking they could make it.
All the college teams have people thinking they could make it big.
I dont think you are aware of how many people think they can do X.



#8433 jonathansmith369   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   175 Posts   Joined 9.1 Years Ago  

jonathansmith369

Posted 22 June 2020 - 10:10 PM

A higher-up at Mixer referred to their streamers as slaves and that they were the master, so pretty serious stuff. I don’t think this was the sole reason for the Mixer shutdown, but it helped. Not the kind of press that Microsoft wants right before next-gen launch...


There's never a good use for the term, but using it in reference to people getting paid up to $30 million sounds like the least accurate usage I have ever heard.

I definitely don't understand the whole streamer celebrity thing yet as apparently I am just too damn old. But on the surface Microsoft not pissing away millions of dollars on mixer probably means they are more likely to piss away millions of dollars on buying more studios to give us their games on gamepass. Sounds like a win to people who like to play games themselves.

#8434 davemoseley  

davemoseley

Posted 22 June 2020 - 10:12 PM

So we'll definitely get the Microsoft not-E3 show before July 22nd, I presume.

#8435 Ryuukishi   My ambitionz az a Ryder CAGiversary!   11496 Posts   Joined 12.3 Years Ago  

Posted 22 June 2020 - 10:13 PM

Too bad about Mixer. I don't watch much streaming but it was nice to have Mixer integrated right into the console's UI. Super handy to watch E3 conferences and stuff like that.

#8436 Donken   President & CEO CAGiversary!   4415 Posts   Joined 14.2 Years Ago  

Posted 22 June 2020 - 10:18 PM

Too bad about Mixer. I don't watch much streaming but it was nice to have Mixer integrated right into the console's UI. Super handy to watch E3 conferences and stuff like that.


I just really hope Facebook is not integrated into Xbox if they are partnering with Facebook streaming. I’m worried now that Xbox Series X will ask me to connect to my Facebook account.

#8437 p0rn0saur   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   3082 Posts   Joined 13.5 Years Ago  

p0rn0saur

Posted 22 June 2020 - 10:35 PM

I just really hope Facebook is not integrated into Xbox if they are partnering with Facebook streaming.

I don't think that's going to happen, I mean the PS4 share button now lets you go to Facebook if you want to. I'd think probably something more along the lines of the Xbox 360 integration, where it's there if you want to use it, or you can completely ignore it and not know it even exists. The only benefit out of a MS/Facebook relationship for me is if we got Oculus Quest support on the console, because I'm going to have to play Star Wars Squadrons in VR somewhere. 



#8438 bigez   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   78 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

Posted 22 June 2020 - 10:41 PM

As long as Facebook anything stays optional. If I have to look at that trash every time I boot up my xbox its going out the window. Mixer was bad enough but at least Microsoft owned. The few times I used it was to check out new gameplay, watch E3 and the Ps5 reveal...

#8439 TheOldGuy  

Posted 22 June 2020 - 11:11 PM

Calling it “sitting on your ass playing a video game” makes you look like a super out of touch old man.


<I wake up from nap on La-Z-Boy recliner> Hmm? What? Did someone call for me?

#8440 TurkeyOnRye   Hey? Is this velvet? CAGiversary!   1513 Posts   Joined 16.6 Years Ago  

TurkeyOnRye

Posted 22 June 2020 - 11:31 PM

I've been spending alot more time creating content lately. I've gotten pretty good at it. I just make sure to flush and nothing is stuck to the bowl so I don't get in trouble with the Mrs.

#8441 BobbyTastic   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   9121 Posts   Joined 9.7 Years Ago  

BobbyTastic

Posted 22 June 2020 - 11:35 PM

Not really sad to see Mixer itself go, just sad to see the great Beam tech wasted and Twitch/Amazon have less competition. Wasn't a fan of the forced tab even though I got the logic.
I don't think the controversy killed them (probably didn't help), but the insane money they were throwing at Beam and high-profile partner contracts led them to needing a much higher ROI. Not sure what they could have done to save the platform besides not piss away so much money on it.
I predict the controversy will allow them to spin the closure as a PR-friendly "we will not stand for XYZ".

There's never a good use for the term, but using it in reference to people getting paid up to $30 million sounds like the least accurate usage I have ever heard.

Yeah, I just can't imagine an "appropriate" use that doesn't involve over the top hyperbole meant to be comedic, or some sort of sex thing. Maybe she (believe the accuser mentioned her gender from what I read) was just that elitist or plain crazy.

Edit: Phil himself said Mixer's shutdown had nothing to do with the accuser. Appreciate the honesty, maybe the PR people thought it'd look worse.

#8442 darthfracas   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   1127 Posts   Joined 8.5 Years Ago  

darthfracas

Posted 22 June 2020 - 11:39 PM

I’ve been talking to a friend of mine who has some professional dealings with Twitch about the news. He made a good point that perhaps MS wasn’t seeing the numbers they wanted, even with the quarantine going on, and decided to cut bait.

#8443 jimbo8574   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   8232 Posts   Joined 10.9 Years Ago  

Posted 22 June 2020 - 11:41 PM

To be fair, they not just playing games.  They're entertainers.   These people aren't any more overpaid than Tom Brady or Beyonce.

 

That said, I don't have enough time to play my own game library as much as I'd like.  No desire to ever spend time watching someone else playing a game.  But clearly I'm not in the target market.  Lots of people in the fortnite demographic clearly do. 

On occasion I would watch a few Twitch streamers on my lunch break if they were doing in game loot giveaways for Borderlands 3.  I thought their red chest event was pretty cool the first time.  2nd time around I wasn't as impressed with the loot you could get from it.

 

I haven't really watched in months though since I was working from home due to Corona.  I watched Mixr maybe twice during the E3 presentations for their giveaways.  



#8444 BobbyTastic   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   9121 Posts   Joined 9.7 Years Ago  

BobbyTastic

Posted 22 June 2020 - 11:41 PM

I’ve been talking to a friend of mine who has some professional dealings with Twitch about the news. He made a good point that perhaps MS wasn’t seeing the numbers they wanted, even with the quarantine going on, and decided to cut bait.

Agreed, quarantine should have been a boon for them.

#8445 Donken   President & CEO CAGiversary!   4415 Posts   Joined 14.2 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2020 - 12:10 AM

https://www.trueachi...-june-23rd-2020

Lego and Batman on sale, quite a bit of things, some at all time lows.

#8446 HektiK   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   357 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2020 - 12:17 AM

Not real sure why mixer never picked up steam. I liked using it for e3 streams, even broadcasted some Borderlands 3 so my brother could watch while I was at home sick from work. Guess I don’t understand streamer culture enough to see difference between mixer and twitch.

#8447 ArugulaZ   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   1831 Posts   Joined 15.9 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2020 - 12:21 AM

When they were bribing people with goodies to watch Mixer streams, that should have been a strong early indication that the service was going nowhere fast. Oh well, I didn't get thirty million dollars, but at least I got a free copy of Rare Replay out of this debacle.



#8448 Miker525  

Posted 23 June 2020 - 12:22 AM

Not real sure why mixer never picked up steam. I liked using it for e3 streams, even broadcasted some Borderlands 3 so my brother could watch while I was at home sick from work. Guess I don’t understand streamer culture enough to see difference between mixer and twitch.

I'm in the same boat. I'm not interested in watching streamers so I'm definitely in the minority of users here, but I hate Twitch's interface, general UI and lack of full integration. On the other hand during Quarantine Mixer became one of my favorite tools, for my friends and I to still play single player games together like we usually do on our game nights. One person streams we all hop in the party - share controller feature. It all being perfectly integrated into Xbox OS. It was great. I hate facebook and am really sad that that's what this is going to end up as. I was hoping Mixer would only improve with next gen



#8449 BobbyTastic   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   9121 Posts   Joined 9.7 Years Ago  

BobbyTastic

Posted 23 June 2020 - 12:23 AM

Not real sure why mixer never picked up steam. I liked using it for e3 streams, even broadcasted some Borderlands 3 so my brother could watch while I was at home sick from work. Guess I don’t understand streamer culture enough to see difference between mixer and twitch.

Twitch had a massive head start and a lot of people didn't want to switch. That's basically it.

#8450 Bloomy   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   6317 Posts   Joined 14.2 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2020 - 12:24 AM

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#8451 p0rn0saur   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   3082 Posts   Joined 13.5 Years Ago  

p0rn0saur

Posted 23 June 2020 - 12:30 AM

https://www.trueachi...-june-23rd-2020

Lego and Batman on sale, quite a bit of things, some at all time lows.

Lot of WB in that sale....



#8452 Bowie88   Long Time Lurker, First Time Poster CAGiversary!   378 Posts   Joined 2.6 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2020 - 12:36 AM

https://www.trueachi...-june-23rd-2020

Lego and Batman on sale, quite a bit of things, some at all time lows.

Lego for sale? Check

Batman for sale? Check

Lego Batman for sale? I think not!



#8453 The Buffmuffin   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   199 Posts   Joined 8.8 Years Ago  

The Buffmuffin

Posted 23 June 2020 - 12:38 AM

That Batman collection for $15 is a steal. I bought it for $18 a few weeks ago and haven’t even played it yet. Oh well.

Out of this set LEGO Harry Potter for $10 looks like a good buy.

#8454 KaneRobot   The Profit$ of Doom CAGiversary!   10552 Posts   Joined 16.8 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2020 - 12:42 AM

I'm sitting on tens of thousands of MS Rewards points and decided to get a $10 MS gift card since they're discounted at the moment. As inept as Farsight Studios was...it sort of feels good to finally own every table available for The Pinball Arcade.

#8455 Ryuukishi   My ambitionz az a Ryder CAGiversary!   11496 Posts   Joined 12.3 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2020 - 12:46 AM

I think I'm going to pick up Soma and play it in wuss mode.

#8456 deszaras   Wait...what? CAGiversary!   1281 Posts   Joined 13.3 Years Ago  

deszaras

Posted 23 June 2020 - 12:48 AM

I liked Mixer but didn’t watch a ton. I’m not fond of the interface of Twitch but there are some great musicians on there I watch. As others have said, I don’t want to see Facebook streaming on the dashboard. It’s the worse streaming platform I’m seen.

#8457 Razzel   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   788 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2020 - 12:59 AM

Thoughts on the trials games? Fusion or rising?

#8458 escapism  

escapism

Posted 23 June 2020 - 01:04 AM

I don't know if i'd compare streamers to athletes, dancers, and people who put their body on the line, on the premise that you obviously need to work your ass off to make it big in life, unless you're a rich kid.

 

Like, that thumb hernia is probably bad, but tearing an ACL...

 

But to be fair, nobody is worth $30M in my book.



#8459 mrclutch   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   4446 Posts   Joined 9.2 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2020 - 01:09 AM

Thx Bloomy

#8460 jimbo8574   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   8232 Posts   Joined 10.9 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2020 - 01:16 AM

And not working on PS4 which sold probably twice as many consoles didn't help either.     

 

Twitch had a massive head start and a lot of people didn't want to switch. That's basically it.