ConGRADuations Sale at GameStop (5/16)

$40 is an amazing deal for some of the best Yakuza stories. 3's gameplay is a bit rough, especially coming off the excellent Kiwami 2, but it's worth seeing through. 

 
Yeah Yakuza Collection is going to be my pickup from this.  It's been $40 on amz and such but they mishandled shipment on many of those.  I tracked down a sealed Day One edition at a local gs earlier today.

 
Ended up getting Dreams for $15 after using my coupon. Never really planned on getting it but wanted free shipping on Travis Strikes Again lol
 
I have to say that I think GS has been killing it during this pandemic. I dont think I've ever spent so much with them as I have lately.
And their shipping has been awesome. I placed an order this morning, it shipped this afternoon.
Ordered a pop for my daughter the other day, it arrived with a defect. They sent me out a new one that same day.
 
At the very least play 2. 1 is mostly inconsequential since all the plot happens at the very end of the game and the game is horribly bloated with mandatory fetch quests and monster hunts to pad out the games play time to over 60 hours.

 
At the very least play 2. 1 is mostly inconsequential since all the plot happens at the very end of the game and the game is horribly bloated with mandatory fetch quests and monster hunts to pad out the games play time to over 60 hours.
Eh? Clocked my first casual playthrough of CS1 at 40 hours and I did all the quests and found all the treasure chests. None of them are really out of their way except for maybe three side quests in total. If you just want an RPG that focuses only on the main scenario and not the build-up or lives of characters in the world then the trails games are not what you want.

 
Eh? Clocked my first casual playthrough of CS1 at 40 hours and I did all the quests and found all the treasure chests. None of them are really out of their way except for maybe three side quests in total. If you just want an RPG that focuses only on the main scenario and not the build-up or lives of characters in the world then the trails games are not what you want.
The problem being that cold steel 1 specifically doesn't do a remotely decent job at any of those things. The game wastes time on things like the school festival (which is the most embarrassing thing I have seen put into a video game since the star ship battle in so5) and little is focused on the actual students during the story. They'd rather have forced pointless arguments between Fie and Laura or how the one female character is mad because the main character caught her when she fell on him months ago and they didn't even pull the boob grab cliche.

The most time the kids do get any screen time is when the game visits their home towns. But that only happens for a handful of the characters and some happen off screen much like almost all the plot in 1. Ignoring the exceptions like Fie and Millium who doesn't even have a home town, Emma's is never shown or mentioned, and main characters isn't visited until 2 iirc

If they wanted to make it slice of life they completely failed at that aspect as they don't bother actually doing that outside said home town visits and the social links aspects. And since the series main focus is little plots of each game with an ongoing main plotline in the background for the entire series. They'd much rather focus entirely on fetch quests and monster hunts in 1. The biggest thing the series is known for that they did do well was the npcs and their updating dialogue but obviously that was limited to the academy hub town and school in this one so there wasn't much they could do there.

I am somewhat surprised you beat it in 40 hours but I suppose if you did minimal combat, npc interaction and such, skipped battle animations and the in game books then it'd be doable. I have a hard time believing you did all the sidequests though as the cooking one is a large time sink.

 
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Pre-emptive apologies:  If I come off sounding like an asshole in this post I sincerely apologize because that isn't my intent. 

I'm not sure you're remembering the game all that well because a lot of your points don't make a lot of sense considering the game is still fresh in my mind from a when I finished my trophy runs last week.  I really hate getting into spoiler territory but here we go.

First, you're clearly wanting a JRPG that is more serious and focuses heavily on whatever the big bad is up to with little world building.  I imagine a game like FF7 Remake is more up your alley in that case.  The Trails series has always been about little interactions that ultimately have no major impact on the greater story as a whole and deal more with the characters themselves and pretending Cold Steel doesn't have plot just because a chunk of the game is about the interactions at Thors Academy is just silly.  

Starting with Alisa's little outburst over landing on Rean at the start of the game, that plot is resolved by the time you reach chapter 1 with small throwbacks to it sprinkled through the story, mainly when one of the other students wants to pick on her during side conversations.  The conflicts between Class VII's students are written in a way that emphasizes the differences in society in Erebonia because the game isn't just "Big bad wants to destroy the world" like most JRPGs are.

Fie and Laura's, and even Jusis and Machias's arguments are talked about fairly well during the school intermissions and while the former's arguments start as a random quip from the students on their way to a train its given plenty of explanation over the course of two chapters where you learn in Heimdallr that it is due to Laura believing Fie is refusing to put her all into combat and holding back as a member of a Jaeger corps considering her own upbringing as a daughter of one of the world's strongest swordsmen.  Yes it could have been written a little better at the start but its an important part of character growth for the characters in this series.  

All of the students get a decent amount of screen time and focused attention during the story but considering this is a series that's designed to resolve itself over the course of at least 4 games.  I'm not going to spoil the ending for the sake of anyone reading this but Emma has a big buildup towards the end of CS1 and the plotline is left open due to events later in the series with certain characters that play a big role.  While it would have been nice to see more in the main story about Emma there is a lot of background given through bonding events to the point where they almost spoil the finale of CS1.  Again, the game is about characters and their relationships in a world with a major divide in classes.  Many story threads are actually found in conversations that aren't related to bonding events and this is a staple of the Legend of Heroes series.  In fact, Trails in the Sky foreshadows a major event in Crossbell through a random piece of NPC dialogue that has nothing to do with the main story or a side quest.  

You seem heavily fixated on these fetch and monster hunt quests but its the main quest structure in every single entry of the LoH franchise.  Just look at the Sky trilogy which has so much of these quests and a hundred times more moments of backtracking where they do nothing to further the plot, only to "increase your Bracer guild rank".  At worst you have 3 quests during each field study day and all but a few end up leading right into a major plotline that advances the story.  I'm not sure why the school festival is so offensive to you though...seems kind of silly when you literally do the exact same thing in Sky.  The only difference is that instead of a quick festival at Jenis Academy where you're force volunteered to enter a play the festival at Thors is just more fleshed out and given a bit more life.

My time with the game was short because ultimately its not that long of a game.  People exaggerate RPG game time a lot and the LoH saga is no stranger to being over-embellished by fans or exaggerated by detractors of the series.  I used the turbo button to skip long screen pans and battle animations after I had seen them once before but I didn't skip anything outright.  Cooking isn't a sidequest and much like the books all you do is talk to people to get recipes or buy a recipe book at certain points in the story.

You seem to be misremembering a lot of things with the game but the one big problem I have with Cold Steel as a series is Rean Schwarzer.  He's an ultimately boring catch-all protagonist prone to anime bullshittery but that's probably the only real bad part of the series.  It took me 65 hours of actual play to get the platinum trophy due to needing 2 playthroughs for bonding trophies.  35 hours of the platinum was me leaving the game running at the finale after all other trophies were obtained for the 100 hours trophy.

Play the Trails games for the world around the main plot, not the main plot itself.  Falcom's greatest strength is that their games are almost always anime nonsense so if you don't want anime tropes like school festivals, slice of life things or dumb interactions like the whole Alisa falling on Rean bit being played out for a length of time then maybe the series just isn't for you.  

 
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If you just want an RPG that focuses only on the main scenario and not the build-up or lives of characters in the world then the trails games are not what you want.
So, I agree with this statement. The kiseki series are my favorite games currently being made. (3+ playthroughs of every game in the series, including the unlocalized ones.)

If you come across someone who somehow thinks the game is full of worthless fetch quests - especially in a thread about a sale that's been dead for two days - I guess we can assume it just wasn't for them.

 
So, I agree with this statement. The kiseki series are my favorite games currently being made. (3+ playthroughs of every game in the series, including the unlocalized ones.)

If you come across someone who somehow thinks the game is full of worthless fetch quests - especially in a thread about a sale that's been dead for two days - I guess we can assume it just wasn't for them.
I mean technically half the time they are worthless fetch quests but the story threads that aren't relevant to the main plot are sometimes really fascinating and do actually change how you perceive the main plot of the game like a certain stuffy noble having issues with his butler before the school festival. That's where the kiseki series is strong I think.

 
Yeah, it's a structure going all the way back to the mundane bracer requests in Trails in the Sky FC (2004).  There's almost always some significant character development or world building that takes place concurrently with a sidequest.  You just don't always realize it at the time.  The games just aren't for the impatient.  I mean, the player doesn't even know why the games have Cold Steel in the title until late in CSIII.

 
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Well, seeing how the front page of CAG still has this deal being advertised.  I might as well ask about it.

Was the $130 deal on the VCR Xbox One, a decent deal?

I'm shocked that I haven't seen a deal on an Xbox One S.

The ongoing sale on Xbox One X for $300 from Gamestop seems tempting, but still kind of pricey at this point.

 
"Cooking isn't a sidequest"

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/694913-the-legend-of-heroes-trails-of-cold-steel/73218264

You also have to cook all the recipes and turn the dishes in to get specific rewards at the end of the game for the 3 edit 4 types iirc.   https://steamcommunity.com/app/538680/discussions/0/1693788384141005113/

As for me I liked 2 considerably better than 1 minus the stratums in the final story dungeon which is a word I never want to see again describing a dungeon. I know the series tends to have large final dungeons but that one out lasted its welcome and was probably a small percentage of the games playtime on its own.  It was nearly perfectly paced, wasn't bloated with forced side crap like the first game all the time and you had even more characters to utilize including ones like Towa, Sara, Angelica and others that were prettymuch temps in the original.  Of course viability varied.  Angelica was a really good one especially, towa not so much, sara is great especially since she has a self buff like angelica and other characters.  Really the only minor tiff I had was that they segmented the dungeons to one visit a section and made you visit them 8 times or so and if you missed visiting it earlier in the game (which is easy to do with the earth dungeon by the military base iirc) then you can't visit it until much later in the story sadly. Honestly the game has probably the largest character roster next to radiata, chrono cross and the suikoden series bordering on ridiculous.  It's a shame they aren't all balanced to be as viable though but I can't fault them when there's like 30 or so characters.

Biggest flaw was The divertissment section. Not having any carryover from the main game definitely hurts it the most.  As if you had your sub quartz and such at least that could make up for these 2 new characters being so bad and not having a full party.  Overall it should have been an optional section after the school house dungeon instead of sandwiched in between the final story dungeon and that.  Also to give the player a break.

As for you beating the game 20 hours faster than the average yes that is highly suspect. I normally don't resort to hltb since it's not always a reliable source for data.  But the length of the games is not exaggerated usually averaging around 60 hours.  I also think you may not have played the original release and thus by playing the enhanced version you have access to the speed up options not available to the original ps3/vita versions so by not having that as a comparison is throwing you off.  On top of skipping animations as I didn't do that much so in 1. By 2 I skipped all animations though besides any new ones.

 
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