CAGcast #702: Perfectly Paired

The gang talks Marvel’s Guardians of the Galaxy, GTA Trilogy Remaster, Resident Evil 4 VR, and so much more!



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I set this up but haven’t turned on donations because maybe wombat wants to do a Patreon himself?
That would probably work better.

Or nothing. I’m leaning towards nothing.

re: drainage by house, maybe look into installing a french drain.

I'm going to go against the grain here and say "More Politics PLEASE!!!"

Wombat is a true believer and won't dare speak against the dogma. He speaks with an air of authority in his political views.

And Cheapy loves challenging Wombat and we all know how he feels about Wombat speaking with authority on anything. (Aside from Fortnight)

Could definitely get interesting with the length of time you've all known each other. Let's do it!!!

NarcolepticNerd said:

re: drainage by house, maybe look into installing a french drain.

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I spoke to my landscaper today and he said he will
fix it.

I don't think Wombat is some partisan monster, but I get what you are saying. Wombat speaks on his personal understanding of the world. As a queer & trans listener, I can usually trust Wombat to advocate for the community (we're not a monolith - but still) and that always makes me feel respected when listening to the show. Cheapy is the Howard Stern, Ship is the straight man (no pun intended) and Wombat is cranky but compassionate. It's a great balance. Love you Wombat, I'm going to send you some more boxes of crap.

I've watched all the specials. There's a little bit of a gulf between what some activists feel and my perspective, but I'm sympathetic to how they feel. I'm old and still believe in free speech, so I believe In a comedians right to be a jerk. To speak to Cheapy - Chapelle's public perspective on queer people has always kinda been they are "gross" unless they are lesbians. That was a bit on his show. On Trans issues, when he reasserts that "Gender is a fact" and compares gender affirmation surgery to an impossible burger, that perhaps steers people away from being compassionate to trans issues. He also seems to assoicate the community with white privilege, but the community is not exclusively Caucasian. That's weird, and some say dangerous, because he is basically saying Trans is not a real thing and further marginalises Trans POC . All that being said, activists on twitter don't always help the cause, and I rather have a calm conversation about those things and try to educate them than fall into some culture war trap. This public media frenzy just further empowers the people who corner me in a bathroom or throw a large McDonalds drink at me driving by on the street. I'm not all that interested in de-platforming. While I do think Dave Chapelle is one of the greatest Comedians of all time, it's clear he kinda thinks my feelings don't matter. That's fine. Some of those jokes could be funny if they weren't used in a way that feels like a weapon.

I do take the points that there is racism in the queer community and that it seems that we are not making progress against systemic racism, that was all fair.

And please don't quote anything past the first paragraph of this 'ish on the air lol.

cityside75 said:

I'm going to go against the grain here and say "More Politics PLEASE!!!"

Wombat is a true believer and won't dare speak against the dogma. He speaks with an air of authority in his political views.

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Regarding FC6, I’m enjoying it a lot. I’m really glad that the protagonist now has a character. The chicharrone missions may have been the most fun. Boom Boom is a pain until you get him past that first set of unlocks, which is buggy as hell. The only thing I legit don’t like about this one is having to change ammo types at a workbench.

I finally watched Batman: the Long Halloween based on Wombat’s recommendation. It was good but not one of my favorite DCAU movies. Ship, you missed the chance to ask Wombat if we get to see Batman’s parents die again. Mild spoiler: yes.

 The controversy surrounding the Dave Chappelle special isn’t about whether the special is offensive or not to the trans community. Offense is taken not given and anyone can find something offensive. The controversy is about whether content should be removed if some people find it offensive and that’s what Cheapy was getting at. Wombat did eventually answer that question and said it shouldn’t be removed from Netflix but Wombat needs to understand that something being offensive doesn’t mean it’s dangerous. I found it funny that Wombat had the audacity to say Cheapy was being defensive when Cheapy correctly pointed out that all words are made up. Terf isn’t even a word, its an acronym that stands for Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist. It’s a slur created by activists to demonize feminist who fight for equality for biology women.

What Dave said was that these activists types create words to win arguments which is 100% true and terf is an example of that. Instead of sitting down and having a discussion with a feminist like Jk Rowling who believes trans women aren’t women because they aren’t biology women they call her a terf, a made up acronym, and move on. These people are bigots who are intolerant to opposing viewpoints, the literal definition of bigotry, which is why they want to censor people with opposing viewpoints and they have no real arguments which is why they tend to go straight to name calling. They use the "your words are causing harm to my community" excuse but anyone who is paying attention knows what this is really about, they want to control what people are allowed to say. To clarify I'm referring to the activists types not Trans people. It's important for people to separate "trans activists" and actual trans people, the activists don't speak for all trans people. 

To answer Cheapy’s question, Dave spent so much time talking about the trans community because Trans activists went after him and made a bunch of accusations about him after his last special so he was responding to that.

Wombat was on point during that Chapelle segment.

You can seperate Trans Activists and Trans people all you want, but the people who suffer are Trans people. I used their preferred term, Gender Critical Feminists vs. Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists, as is the polite thing to do, but we both know that the only difference there is one has become an acronym. And if the folks who feel that way feeI it's a slur, I'm happy to respect that. I would prefer activists to be having a more productive dialogue, but you are saying they don't have an argument. My existence is the argument, and I would simply like to exist. Yes, a part of me is upset at everyone involved because this type of dialogue just makes people who have a mostly unfounded fear of trans people Digg in and  feel empowered. I'm terrified of anyone, gender critical feminist or not, accusing me of invading a woman's only space and I avoid any situation that could be represented that way at all costs. I do find most of Rowling's opinions on this subject, with the exception of perhaps an argument for Academic Freedom, which again, I am a classic free speech liberal, to be driven by fear and unfounded. Chapelle is absolutely presenting the core argument that there are only two genders (never mind intersex people I guess), and anyone who thinks otherwise is crazy. That's fine, and it's real fun to hear, but that wouldn't be my issue here.  

I won't argue that some activists are being intolerant in their approach to a dialogue, but you seem to think Chapelle is not. He presents the "Alphabet People" as an arm of white privilege. I would take a reasoned argument on that, but he  ignores completely that the community is not exclusively white, and that activists core contention is it's dangerous to be trans and not white. What's unfolding here, this digging in, is dangerous to parts of his community, and he seems unconcerned.

I also take issue with people's misunderstanding of "Freedom". and Capitalism. Anyone has a right to talk all the crap they want. The religious right was able to remove content from the airwaves for years by being loud and annoying, but because activists are making their cases in the public space they are radical marxists? At least Chapelle does sort of acknowledge this, putting the blame on corporations. Corporations are going to do what is most profitable. This is the system, it is how it has always worked. Ship talks about this often, companies tend to go with the social stance of least resistance and most profit. Netflix is walking a line because they want to be competitive for talent across an ideological spectrum. This is how this plays out, everyone is playing their position. Things go in waves, but by criticizing the platform for platforming something\someone they think is harmful, they are doing nothing different than what has been the accepted practice for years. 

This crap is exhausting and pretty much makes you hate yourself more than one already does. 

gaypunk said:

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You can seperate Trans Activists and Trans people all you want, but the people who suffer are Trans people. I used their preferred term, Gender Critical Feminists vs. Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists, as is the polite thing to do, but we both know that the only difference there is one has become an acronym. And if the folks who feel that way feeI it's a slur, I'm happy to respect that. I would prefer activists to be having a more productive dialogue, but you are saying they don't have an argument. My existence is the argument, and I would simply like to exist. Yes, a part of me is upset at everyone involved because this type of dialogue just makes people who have a mostly unfounded fear of trans people Digg in and feel empowered. I'm terrified of anyone, gender critical feminist or not, accusing me of invading a woman's only space and I avoid any situation that could be represented that way at all costs. I do find most of Rowling's opinions on this subject, with the exception of perhaps an argument for Academic Freedom, which again, I am a classic free speech liberal, to be driven by fear and unfounded. Chapelle is absolutely presenting the core argument that there are only two genders (never mind intersex people I guess), and anyone who thinks otherwise is crazy. That's fine, and it's real fun to hear, but that wouldn't be my issue here.

I won't argue that some activists are being intolerant in their approach to a dialogue, but you seem to think Chapelle is not. He presents the "Alphabet People" as an arm of white privilege. I would take a reasoned argument on that, but he ignores completely that the community is not exclusively white, and that activists core contention is it's dangerous to be trans and not white. What's unfolding here, this digging in, is dangerous to parts of his community, and he seems unconcerned.

I also take issue with people's misunderstanding of "Freedom". and Capitalism. Anyone has a right to talk all the crap they want. The religious right was able to remove content from the airwaves for years by being loud and annoying, but because activists are making their cases in the public space they are radical marxists? At least Chapelle does sort of acknowledge this, putting the blame on corporations. Corporations are going to do what is most profitable. This is the system, it is how it has always worked. Ship talks about this often, companies tend to go with the social stance of least resistance and most profit. Netflix is walking a line because they want to be competitive for talent across an ideological spectrum. This is how this plays out, everyone is playing their position. Things go in waves, but by criticizing the platform for platforming something\someone they think is harmful, they are doing nothing different than what has been the accepted practice for years.

This crap is exhausting and pretty much makes you hate yourself more than one already does.

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I don’t think anyone is “suffering” from this controversy. I think activists should be helping people but from what I’ve seen so much of activism today is just performative virtue signaling. Go to a protest, post stuff on social media then move on with your life. Look at stuff like BLM, they raised what like almost a billion dollars in donation last year and where did that money go? Which communities have they helped? I live in a primarily black city, Baltimore, and things are worst than ever. We just had another mass shooting a few weeks ago(7 kids were shot) and we on our way to have more homicides this year than last year. I can’t think of any modern “activist” who actually cares about helping people. They all seem to care only about helping themselves and backing these movements to gain attention.

Your existence isn’t an argument, and no one is preventing you from existing. Even if someone doesn’t believe a man can be sexually attracted to other men or if someone believes that gay people shouldn’t be allowed to get married that doesn’t mean your existence is being threated. Just like if someone doesn’t believe the bible is real that doesn’t mean Christian’s existence is being threated. I think this right here is the issue. People don’t understand the difference between beliefs and truths, and they want a world where everyone is forced to believe what they believe. Simply put, being Trans is a belief, the belief that you were born in the wrong body and you want to transition into the right body. 99.9% of people have no problem with this belief, some just don’t accept it in the same way that most people don’t have a problem with Christianity but not everyone accepts its teaching. The problem we are seeing today is that this belief is being forced onto people and you get punished if you don't accept it. Even though this belief is gender dysphoria and as far as I know gender dysphoria is still classified as a mental illness. As Americans we are free to believe whatever we want but what we can’t do is force our beliefs on others and we must accept that not everyone will share our belfies. As a Christian I believe that Jesus died on the cross and resurrected three days later, I can’t force this belief on other people, nor should I get mad if my neighbors don’t agree with this.

Nothing Dave said was intolerant. Dave simply gave his opinion and that was it. Intolerance would be if he advocated for censoring the trans community in some way which he did not but that is what the other side is trying to do with their campaign to get the special pulled from Netflix. Dave’s comment about white LGBT people was clearly just about white LGBT people. Dave can ignore talking about nonwhite LGBT people because it’s his special and he can talk about whatever he wants.

I really hope you don’t hate myself and understand that it doesn’t matter what other people think of you. The only thing that matters is what you think of yourself.

Yeah, you are entitled to your opinion. When the temperature rises on these issues there are day to day real life consequences. People behave differently if they feel they have permission to do so, and that means less day to day compassion. If you don’t completely pass, daily life has its challenges. I appreciate the reassurances that other people’s opinions don’t matter. In the courts and the streets though, they kinda do. I’ll leave it there, good chatting with you.

gaypunk said:

Yeah, you are entitled to your opinion. When the temperature rises on these issues there are day to day real life consequences. People behave differently if they feel they have permission to do so, and that means less day to day compassion. If you don’t completely pass, daily life has its challenges. I appreciate the reassurances that other people’s opinions don’t matter. In the courts and the streets though, they kinda do. I’ll leave it there, good chatting with you.

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Anyone who would physically attack someone because of who they are is a bad person and bad people don’t need permission to do bad things. Bad people do bad things all the time because they are bad people. This is just another example of trying to justify being able to silence people who say things you don’t agree with.

The reason there is less compassion is because some of these groups are negatively impacting the lives of others. High school girls have lost athletic scholarships because they can’t compete against trans women in sports. Some girls don’t feel comfortable with trans women(biology men) in women bathrooms and showers yet schools will allow this. This bothers some women because it’s the school literally telling them that they value the feelings of trans women over their own. Many people’s lives were impacted due to the nearly a billion dollars of property damage during all the BLM protest/riots. People aren’t going to be compassionate towards people who are negatively impacting their life.


The media wants you to believe that, but no judge will throw you in jail just because of your skin color or sexual orientation. Physical violence hate crimes are rare and while “hate speech” is more common you get to decide if words bother you. If you don’t care about how people especially strangers think about you than someone online or on the street calling you a bad word shouldn’t bother you.

I don't want to "silence people" I have explicitly said I take free speech seriously and do not advocate for de-platforming. It sounds like you disagree with the basic sociological premise that rhetoric can have direct impact on behavior. Thinking someone's rhetoric is ill advised and may have consequences is not the same thing as removing their ability to speak. The free market is dictating who has a platform here, and Netflix backed up the talent. So, is it not you arguing to silence people who are using their constitutional rights of free speech in a peaceful manor?

What I have gathered from what you have said is that I should I have a thicker skin because peoples feelings can't hurt me, but if I do feel bad, I deserve it a little because some trans people want to play sports and use the restroom that aligns with their gender, so perhaps I should use the restroom of the gender that I was assigned at birth, which puts me at direct risk of a violent confrontation, but in the off chance such violence occurs, it would of occurred anyway and is no way Dave Chapelle's fault. Ok? Yeah, I guess I don't completely disagree? I shared my hesitancy to place myself in woman's only spaces, and if no gender neutral restroom is available, I wait until I have hopes of having no encounters with men in a restroom. It's scary, confrontations happen, I assure you it's not safe. If I was not a large bodied person, I would not do it. I have the benefit of being old (40+) and a little intimidating, and it is still a bit frightening. I can not recommend it. 0 Stars.

My basic premise was anti-trans rhetoric does lead to more anti-trans behavior. You can disagree with that premise, and I suppose disagree that political rhetoric can lead to violence as well. Except, you hint that you do agree with that, because you bring BLM (who largely led non-violent protests yet you blame for arson and vandalism that occurred in tandem) into it, but again, this is all a multi-way street is it not? I am not wading into that right now, I support non violent protest across the political spectrum, I don't love property damage, BLM has accounted for their finances. Why are we talking about BLM? Is it because certain corners of the political spectrum lumps these things together as some sort assault on their idea of the American Ideal?

I assume, perhaps unfairly, that you think systemic racism is a big lie. That's fine. I don't need the media to tell me anything about it. I grew up in the 80's in East L.A., I am Mexican American. The media wasn't exactly nice to my community. Growing up I saw my father, who had no chance passing for White, suffer from police brutality on two occasions, and treated like shit countless times. I would say that got a little better as he got older, sure, L.A. had a bit of reckoning with such things, but I am going to go ahead and trust my eyes and heart on that one.

To be clear, when I said the court, on trans issues, I am referring to things like equal protection, protection from discrimination, unfair firing, Id laws, bathroom laws. Etc. I think that was fair in the context of what we were actually talking about. But to think politics and the judicial system are divorced from each other is silly. The entire ground game of American politics is packing the courts with ideologs, and that leans conservative.

Finally, you seem to also take issue with the basic premise that Trans people encounter more violence. I have never seen a study that says otherwise. But you have, perhaps, because you say it's rare. Again, I have to trust my lived experience. Again, I am lucky, I'm a big person, and I still have to be on guard.

Finally, I am indeed a Westerner. I'm an American. I am ever so amused when people take a shot at Americans doing what makes America a great country, fighting for their increased safety and comfort, excessing their rights, making their voices count in the public space and the ballot box. Americans have a right to do advocate for their communities. It's a bad faith argument to say, hey, you have it better than they do in X country, be happy with what you got. Hey, I'm American, it's in my DNA to want MORE.

If I have to be happy that I don't automatically get killed for being queer can I be sad I don't have socialized medicine?

Best to you and yours.

Sinfulfate said:

Anyone who would physically attack someone because of who they are is a bad person and bad people don’t need permission to do bad things. Bad people do bad things all the time because they are bad people. This is just another example of trying to justify being able to silence people who say things you don’t agree with.

The reason there is less compassion is because some of these groups are negatively impacting the lives of others. High school girls have lost athletic scholarships because they can’t compete against trans women in sports. Some girls don’t feel comfortable with trans women(biology men) in women bathrooms and showers yet schools will allow this. This bothers some women because it’s the school literally telling them that they value the feelings of trans women over their own. Many people’s lives were impacted due to the nearly a billion dollars of property damage during all the BLM protest/riots. People aren’t going to be compassionate towards people who are negatively impacting their life.

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Daily life has its challenges for everyone, but I think it’s important to remember how great your life is compared to others. I feel like people forget that and think that things like there not being a lot of gay actors in lead roles in Hollywood is the worst thing ever meanwhile in some middle eastern countries being gay will get you thrown in jail and in some cases killed. Things aren’t perfect but it always amuses me when hear westerns complain about how hard their life is when there are so many people in the world who are truly suffering.​

The media wants you to believe that, but no judge will throw you in jail just because of your skin color or sexual orientation. Physical violence hate crimes are rare and while “hate speech” is more common you get to decide if words bother you. If you don’t care about how people especially strangers think about you than someone online or on the street calling you a bad word shouldn’t bother you.

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gaypunk said:

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I don't want to "silence people" I have explicitly said I take free speech seriously and do not advocate for de-platforming. It sounds like you disagree with the basic sociological premise that rhetoric can have direct impact on behavior. Thinking someone's rhetoric is ill advised and may have consequences is not the same thing as removing their ability to speak. The free market is dictating who has a platform here, and Netflix backed up the talent. So, is it not you arguing to silence people who are using their constitutional rights of free speech in a peaceful manor?

What I have gathered from what you have said is that I should I have a thicker skin because peoples feelings can't hurt me, but if I do feel bad, I deserve it a little because some trans people want to play sports and use the restroom that aligns with their gender, so perhaps I should use the restroom of the gender that I was assigned at birth, which puts me at direct risk of a violent confrontation, but in the off chance such violence occurs, it would of occurred anyway and is no way Dave Chapelle's fault. Ok? Yeah, I guess I don't completely disagree? I shared my hesitancy to place myself in woman's only spaces, and if no gender neutral restroom is available, I wait until I have hopes of having no encounters with men in a restroom. It's scary, confrontations happen, I assure you it's not safe. If I was not a large bodied person, I would not do it. I have the benefit of being old (40+) and a little intimidating, and it is still a bit frightening. I can not recommend it. 0 Stars.

My basic premise was anti-trans rhetoric does lead to more anti-trans behavior. You can disagree with that premise, and I suppose disagree that political rhetoric can lead to violence as well. Except, you hint that you do agree with that, because you bring BLM (who largely led non-violent protests yet you blame for arson and vandalism that occurred in tandem) into it, but again, this is all a multi-way street is it not? I am not wading into that right now, I support non violent protest across the political spectrum, I don't love property damage, BLM has accounted for their finances. Why are we talking about BLM? Is it because certain corners of the political spectrum lumps these things together as some sort assault on their idea of the American Ideal?

I assume, perhaps unfairly, that you think systemic racism is a big lie. That's fine. I don't need the media to tell me anything about it. I grew up in the 80's in East L.A., I am Mexican American. The media wasn't exactly nice to my community. Growing up I saw my father, who had no chance passing for White, suffer from police brutality on two occasions, and treated like shit countless times. I would say that got a little better as he got older, sure, L.A. had a bit of reckoning with such things, but I am going to go ahead and trust my eyes and heart on that one.

To be clear, when I said the court, on trans issues, I am referring to things like equal protection, protection from discrimination, unfair firing, Id laws, bathroom laws. Etc. I think that was fair in the context of what we were actually talking about. But to think politics and the judicial system are divorced from each other is silly. The entire ground game of American politics is packing the courts with ideologs, and that leans conservative.

Finally, you seem to also take issue with the basic premise that Trans people encounter more violence. I have never seen a study that says otherwise. But you have, perhaps, because you say it's rare. Again, I have to trust my lived experience. Again, I am lucky, I'm a big person, and I still have to be on guard.

Finally, I am indeed a Westerner. I'm an American. I am ever so amused when people take a shot at Americans doing what makes America a great country, fighting for their increased safety and comfort, excessing their rights, making their voices count in the public space and the ballot box. Americans have a right to do advocate for their communities. It's a bad faith argument to say, hey, you have it better than they do in X country, be happy with what you got. Hey, I'm American, it's in my DNA to want MORE.

If I have to be happy that I don't automatically get killed for being queer can I be sad I don't have socialized medicine?

Best to you and yours.

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You’re right, you aren’t trying to silence anyone. What exactly do you think the outcome of this situation should be? I disagree with the idea that anything Dave said would directly impact someone’s behavior. I’m not trying to silence anyone. I don’t have any issue with people protesting though did you watch the protest? Not exactly what I would call peaceful. My issue is with people trying to bully others to get what they want and I’m glad Netflix hasn’t folded.

I have never once said anyone deserves to feel bad and yes, everyone needs to get thicker skin. It’s absolutely embarrassing how weak people are nowadays. I have no doubt that confrontations happen but how many of them lead to actual violence?

I do disagree with that premise but I don’t even understand what would classify as “anti-Trans rhetoric” or “anti-trans behavior”. These are very vague terms that mean different things to different people. The BLM protest/riots were different. You had BLM organizers saying stuff like this “I don’t care if somebody decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike store because that makes sure that person eats. That makes sure that person has clothes. That is reparations. Anything they want to take, take it because these businesses have insurance.” Advocating for people to commit crimes is a lot different than saying gender is a fact or anything else Dave said in his special.

Trans people encounter more violence than who? The number of trans people in the world is so low that it’s impossible for them to encounter more violence than any other group.

What makes America great is freedom and liberty. Americans do have the right to advocate for their communities but that’s not what’s going on here. You aren’t helping your community by telling people its ok to steal other people’s property because they have insurance. You aren’t helping your community by protesting to get a comedy special removed from Netflix. The ironic thing is this stuff hurts the community these people claim to be advocating for because if Netflix folds and removes the special the people who liked the special are going to be angry with the people who got it removed. When you loot and destroy businesses in a community you are literally hurting the people who live in those communities. So, what exactly are they accomplishing? This is why I say this about control and not helping people. These people, the activist types, just want to control what other people are allowed to say and what content they allowed to produce, and this is all done under the guise of “helping” people. It's unfortunately that so many people don't see this.

Sinfulfate, stats for trans people killed in the US for being trans. Here in Dallas we had a serial killer targeting trans people. He was caught after killing 3.

We also had a few guys who were stalking gay men and beating them severely.

https://www.hrc.org/resources/violence-against-the-trans-and-gender-non-conforming-community-in-2020

The point is hate speech that marginalizes a type of people devalues them as human beings, and can and does lead to violence against them. This is indisputable. See Nazi Germany, for an example, or even America’s treatment of Japanese Americans during WW2.

I’m a straight man btw, and an advocate for HRC.

gorgo said:

Sinfulfate, stats for trans people killed in the US for being trans. Here in Dallas we had a serial killer targeting trans people. He was caught after killing 3.

We also had a few guys who were stalking gay men and beating them severely.

https://www.hrc.org/resources/violence-against-the-trans-and-gender-non-conforming-community-in-2020

The point is hate speech that marginalizes a type of people devalues them as human beings, and can and does lead to violence against them. This is indisputable. See Nazi Germany, for an example, or even America’s treatment of Japanese Americans during WW2.

I’m a straight man btw, and an advocate for HRC.

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Oh yeas that was one of them comedy show goers/fans going, well i laughted too much, time to kill 3 ppl. They make fun of everyone and everything but godamn that laugh about trans people just made him stabby.

Thats just a list of people who died, doesnt mean they died because of trans hate, pretty sure more ppl die on one weekend in Chicago. You know when you think about it, most violent deaths are probably because someone hates an individual because of some conflict. Or just you Americans bombing willy nilly, nation building, etc. And like the other guy said a lot of activism/charity is big business and business gonna do what it do.

Yeah or American culture wars perpetrated by corporate news media and politicians to obfuscate how they are railing you in your behinds on real issues like m4a or minimum wage or anything else. What, 2 people now got arrested who were behind russia hoax when you could be focusing on real issues. LOL so easy

Why is hate speech and Chappelle even linked here, the most mild special, hes even talking about his trans friend who stood up for him, being railed on by twitter "advocates" for a week and suicided. Guess nobody watched the special.

And yes we know you are an advocate.

cement said:

Oh yeas that was one of them comedy show goers/fans going, well i laughted too much, time to kill 3 ppl. They make fun of everyone and everything but godamn that laugh about trans people just made him stabby.

Thats just a list of people who died, doesnt mean they died because of trans hate, pretty sure more ppl die on one weekend in Chicago. You know when you think about it, most violent deaths are probably because someone hates an individual because of some conflict. Or just you Americans bombing willy nilly, nation building, etc. And like the other guy said a lot of activism/charity is big business and business gonna do what it do.

Yeah or American culture wars perpetrated by corporate news media and politicians to obfuscate how they are railing you in your behinds on real issues like m4a or minimum wage or anything else. What, 2 people now got arrested who were behind russia hoax when you could be focusing on real issues. LOL so easy

Why is hate speech and Chappelle even linked here, the most mild special, hes even talking about his trans friend who stood up for him, being railed on by twitter "advocates" for a week and suicided. Guess nobody watched the special.

And yes we know you are an advocate.

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I wasn’t actually talking about the special. Just addressing the reality of hate speech.

gorgo said:

Sinfulfate, stats for trans people killed in the US for being trans. Here in Dallas we had a serial killer targeting trans people. He was caught after killing 3.

We also had a few guys who were stalking gay men and beating them severely.

https://www.hrc.org/resources/violence-against-the-trans-and-gender-non-conforming-community-in-2020

The point is hate speech that marginalizes a type of people devalues them as human beings, and can and does lead to violence against them. This is indisputable. See Nazi Germany, for an example, or even America’s treatment of Japanese Americans during WW2.

I’m a straight man btw, and an advocate for HRC.

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I didn’t go through each person on that link but I did go through a few. One person left their house one day and their body was found dead 16 days later. It’s disingenuous to claim this person’s death was a hate crime when that’s all the information they give. It's important to understand that not every incident where a trans person is killed or attacked is a hate crime.

What exactly is “hate speech that marginalizes a type of people”? To me hate speech is just insults. If someone calls me the n word, it’s no different than if they called me ugly. I’m not being dehumanized, and I don’t understand why someone calling a black person the n word for example would make another person think its ok to attack black people. I think this is just an excuse people use because they can’t accept the fact that there are bad people in this world who will do bad things to other people just because they are bad people. Too many people try to find some hidden motivation behind people’s actions when most times there isn’t any. To clarify, I’m using black people as my examples here because I don’t really know what would be considered hate speech towards the trans community. I don’t think anything Dave said in his special would be considered hate speech but then again the term hate speech has so many different definition these days it seems like almost anything can be considered hate speech.