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I know this isn't released yet but at least one review is. IGN gave it a disappointing 8.2 I think it's a little uncool to give this game such a low score because (mostly) it lacks a robust multiplayer mode.

It's a curious direction that Quake 4 has taken this time around, with the heavy emphasis on single-player, apparently at the development cost of multiplayer, previously its very selling point. And while the SP production values are certainly expensive-looking and sounding, the actual combat mechanics feel a step behind the evolution of the genre, and not in an intentionally retro way.

What do you guys think? Should a game get somewhat low marks for not being great enough at multiplayer - Half Life 2 didn't seem to share that problem but maybe it was because the gameplay was more intricate? Maybe the "combat mechanics" are just THAT bad...
 
[quote name='Scorch']Enlighten me.

HOW THE HELL IS 8.2 A LOW SCORE?[/QUOTE]
Because nothing is good unless it gets at least a 9.0. :roll:
 
[quote name='zewone']Because nothing is good unless it gets at least a 9.0. :roll:[/QUOTE]

I guess so. And he didn't just call it low, he called it "remarkably" low.

Maybe he's dyslexic and read it as 2.8.
 
[quote name='Scorch']Enlighten me.

HOW THE HELL IS 8.2 A LOW SCORE?[/QUOTE]


Okay, maybe you don't check out IGN as much as I do (and you're probably not missing much). But one thing you should know, is that IGN gets wood over almost everything. Examples off the top of my head: GTA: VC 9.9, Jade Empire 9.9, Mario 64 DS 8.9 (when you can barely control it), Pirates! 9.2.

By comparison, 8.2 is teh suck on a marquee title.
 
[quote name='wildnuts02']Okay, maybe you don't check out IGN as much as I do (and you're probably not missing much). But one thing you should know, is that IGN gets wood over almost everything. Examples off the top of my head: GTA: VC 9.9, Jade Empire 9.9, Mario 64 DS 8.9 (when you can barely control it), Pirates! 9.2.

By comparison, 8.2 is teh suck on a marquee title.[/QUOTE]

I don't really see Quake 4 being advertised as a marquee title on the 360 at all.

You should also compare it with other games that are more or less strict shooters, like Timesplitters, rather than compare the score of this to platformers and RPG's.
 
[quote name='Scorch']I don't really see Quake 4 being advertised as a marquee title on the 360 at all.

[/QUOTE]

Well this was a PC review, and I can't really think about a more marquee title coming out for the PC in the near future. So lets look at Doom 3 which we all know was a huge disappointment (yes, I own it on the PC) - yet IGN still gave it a 8.9.
 
halo 2/farcry/Half-life2(CS:S bots were added latter)/COD didn't have bots.
If your going to nock quake 4 for not having bots then might as well bring halo 2/farcry/Half-life2/COD down a point as well. Quake 3 arena had bots because it was a multiplayer based game. As for its the best of quake2/3 if it isn't broken don't fix it. IMO Quake 4 is being writen off as the "quake version" of doom 3(IMO i liked the retro feel of doom3)


BTW
some1 should get a Server going for q4
 
[quote name='Animefalcon']halo 2/farcry/Half-life2(CS:S bots were added latter)/COD didn't have bots.
If your going to nock quake 4 for not having bots then might as well bring halo 2/farcry/Half-life2/COD down a point as well. [/QUOTE]

Exactly!
 
I think it should get knocked for not having a strong multiplayer mode. Quake isn't a story based game. It is based on its multiplayer mode. I know people that are getting it solely for that aspect and will never touch the single player side.
 
[quote name='Wander2045']I think it should get knocked for not having a strong multiplayer mode. Quake isn't a story based game. It is based on its multiplayer mode. I know people that are getting it solely for that aspect and will never touch the single player side.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough.
 
Wolfenstein 3D Didn't ship multiplayer at all
DOOM didn't ship with any DM maps
DOOM II didn't ship with any DM maps
Final DOOM didn't ship with any DM maps
Quake I only shipped with 6 DM Maps.
Quake II only shipped with 1 DM Map(more were added later in patches).
Quake III Arena only shipped with 30 DM and 5 CTF Maps.
Return to Castle Wolfenstein Only shipped with 7 MP Maps
Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory only came with 6 maps
Doom 3 only shipped with 5 DM maps
Doom 3 ROE Only shipped with 4 DM and 6 CTF MAPS
Quake 4 is shipping with 9 DM and 5 CTF maps
I don't recall many Single player with Multiplayer thats offers over 14 maps for multiplayer. So i don't know what IGN and PCgamer were think that quake 4 needed more maps
Ill give a mini-review(multiplayer) once i get back from playing it at digital life
 
[quote name='wildnuts02']IGN gave it a disappointing 8.2.[/QUOTE]

You are such a shitfucking dumbass.

10 < OMFG --- Soul Calibur, GTA: SA, Ocarina of Time
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9 < AWESOME --- Halo, Far Cry / Far Cry Instincts
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8 < GREAT --- Quake 4, Conker: L&R
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7 < GOOD --- Call of Duty: Finest Hour
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6 < DECENT --- Mega Man X7
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5 < MEDIOCRE --- Namco Museum
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4 < CRAP --- Lunar Dragon Song
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3 < CRAPPIER --- Monster Garage
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2 < PILE OF DOG SHIT --- Spice World
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1 < YOUR MOM --- C: The Contra Adventure, ET (2600)


Now, looking at the above diagram would you say that:

a) You didn't pass the first grade and thus have no knowledge of any mathematics whatsoever,
b) You have recently had a lobotomy,
c) I totally pounded your mom in the ass last night, or
d) All of the above?
 
[quote name='redgopher']You are such a shitfucking dumbass.

10 < OMFG come in mah pants
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9 < Awesome
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8 < Great
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7 < Good
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6 < Decent
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5 < Mediocre
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4 < Crap
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3 < Crappier
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2 < Pile of Dog Shit
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1 < Your Mom[/QUOTE]

shitfucking? i bet you do...go back to the mudflaps and stfu you homo.
 
[quote name='redgopher']You're so deep in the closet, you're finding Christmas presents.[/QUOTE]

You must've heard them all by now haven't you?
 
OK, OK, I give up.

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The multiplayer was going to not be fleshed out because ID needs to put out an expansion pack duh :p

I might as well add my opinion of the IGN review ... how did graphics only get a 9.0??? How many / what games look better???

I think the score is kind of sketchy if you ask me.
 
[quote name='redgopher']10 < OMFG --- Soul Calibur, GTA: SA, Ocarina of Time
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9 < AWESOME --- Halo, Far Cry / Far Cry Instincts
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8 < GREAT --- Quake 4, Conker: L&R
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7 < GOOD --- Call of Duty: Finest Hour
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6 < DECENT --- Mega Man X7
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5 < MEDIOCRE --- Namco Museum
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4 < CRAP --- Lunar Dragon Song
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3 < CRAPPIER --- Monster Garage
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2 < PILE OF DOG SHIT --- Spice World
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1 < YOUR MOM --- C: The Contra Adventure, ET (2600)[/QUOTE]

That's not the way things work at IGN though. They've developed their own reputation of rating mainstream games on an 8 to 10 scale.
 
:rofl: Because we all know making fun of retards is funny. :lol:

[quote name='redgopher']OK, OK, I give up.
*durrrrrr*
[/QUOTE]

They said in their first interviews that they weren't going to give much in the lines of multiplayer and that it would be a return to the single player environment. They're being marked down for doing something 'poorly' that they really didn't plan on putting much emphasis on nor did they need to do at all.
 
[quote name='Scorch']I don't really see Quake 4 being advertised as a marquee title on the 360 at all.
.[/QUOTE]

Cmon man, I have some respect for you, but this is in the PC board and he linked to a PC review... nothing to do with the 360 at all, except the fact that it won't hit that system for another month. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were tired or something.

For the PC, Quake 4 IS a marquee title... they've been working on it forever, and it was pretty heavily hyped as being an awesome game. 8.2 isn't BAD, per se, but when you are a big name like Quake and you've been in development for awhile, this score comes as a shock. PC Gamer also rated it in the 70% range too.

Now, it could be that these reviews are low because everyone expected multiplayer (though I don't see why, all the previews I read stressed the single player). Plus, there will be a multiplayer only Quake game coming out soon, called Enemy Territory: Quake Wars. Preview is here http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=604868

So I guess the point is that while 8.2 isn't bad, for a highly anticipated title it's a bit low. It's ok, I'm still picking up my collector's edition on Wednesday, along with FEAR and Age of Empires 3 :D

For those that don't know, the Collector's Edition is $59.99, but you get the entire game on a DVD (worth it right there), some bonus interviews I think, as well as the full version of Quake 2 along with both expansions for it. Not bad, since those were awesome games that I sadly lost awhile ago.
 
sigh, the low marks on multiplayer are extremely dissapointing. This was the major selling point for me =( fact is I will still probably buy it, but it sucks that it got that score esp in the midst of all these other FPS'
 
[quote name='Zoglog']sigh, the low marks on multiplayer are extremely dissapointing. This was the major selling point for me =( fact is I will still probably buy it, but it sucks that it got that score esp in the midst of all these other FPS'[/QUOTE]

You're disapointed a game got low marks for a feature the developers were stressing wasn't going to be a major component? Are you sad when Santa doesn't leave you a turkey stuffed with chocolate bunnies?
 
[quote name='Roufuss']

For those that don't know, the Collector's Edition is $59.99, but you get the entire game on a DVD (worth it right there), some bonus interviews I think, as well as the full version of Quake 2 along with both expansions for it. Not bad, since those were awesome games that I sadly lost awhile ago.[/QUOTE]

That's awesome! I'm glad I preordered that version then. I also got an ENORMOUS Quake 4 t-shirt for pre-ordering. I just hope my Radeon 9800pro is still enough to run this. It was barely good enough for Doom 3 on medium quality.

I have to agree that ID/Raven made an effort to let everyone know early that it was going to be single-player heavy. That's why this comes as such a surprise to me.
 
[quote name='wildnuts02']That's awesome! I'm glad I preordered that version then. I also got an ENORMOUS Quake 4 t-shirt for pre-ordering. I just hope my Radeon 9800pro is still enough to run this. It was barely good enough for Doom 3 on medium quality.

I have to agree that ID/Raven made an effort to let everyone know early that it was going to be single-player heavy. That's why this comes as such a surprise to me.[/QUOTE]

My PC rocks Doom3 at 20 FPS at 1280x1024 with a 9700PRO. Q4 is supposed to have lower reqs than Doom 3.
 
PC Gamer gave Quake 4 a 70%.
Highs: Loads of actions; gruesome visuals, Q3DM17 with Doom 3 Graphics.
Lows: Uninspired gameplay; stroggification plot twist goes nowhere; no multiplayer bots.
Bottom Line: This old-school shotter suffers from a lack of 21st-century game design.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']
Bottom Line: This old-school shotter suffers from a lack of 21st-century game design.[/QUOTE]

what does that even mean?
 
[quote name='Kayden']You're disapointed a game got low marks for a feature the developers were stressing wasn't going to be a major component? Are you sad when Santa doesn't leave you a turkey stuffed with chocolate bunnies?[/QUOTE]

Actually I went to the E3 Presentation for Quake 4 and they said they put a new emphasis on the multiplayer as Quake always has been. This has also been reported in many press outlets as well. You're thinking of doom 3 my friend.

And from reviews the Single player isn't shining either. I'm as big a Quake fan which is why this is dissapointing. I will still buy it as I said and see it for myself though. I'll put my faith in mods

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[quote name='Zoglog']Actually I went to the E3 Presentation for Quake 4 and they said they put a new emphasis on the multiplayer as Quake always has been. This has also been reported in many press outlets as well. You're thinking of doom 3 my friend.

And from reviews the Single player isn't shining either. I'm as big a Quake fan which is why this is dissapointing. I will still buy it as I said and see it for myself though. I'll put my faith in mods

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I'm pretty sure the preview I read said they were gunna go back and make solo the star... but you just wanted to throw out the fact that you went to E3 =P
 
[quote name='Kayden']I'm pretty sure the preview I read said they were gunna go back and make solo the star... but you just wanted to throw out the fact that you went to E3 =P[/QUOTE]

No, i'm just making a point that they promised that they would make the multiplayer a focus for this game. Strangely they only showed the singleplayer portion there. Anyway errr I just hope that IGN was just being overly harsh and I'll get that good ol Quake 3 action up again
 
Am I the only one who finds deathmatch games boring? I'm excited that they're going back to single-player, I've never touched Q3 in my life because of it.
 
[quote name='Vegan']Am I the only one who finds deathmatch games boring? I'm excited that they're going back to single-player, I've never touched Q3 in my life because of it.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, when I hear a FPS will have DM, I think "...and?" I was wondering why even have Q4 when ET's coming out, so I guess the fact that Q4 has bad multiplayer answers that. Just wait for ET/a price drop I say...

And is this engine easy to mod? Are they mod-friendly? That is a good point though...
 
Just came from Digital life and play Quake 4
Its the best of quake 2/3 and weapons feel a little bit more poweful, faster/slower
 
I played it a lot at Quakecon this year and needless to say it rocks. I mean sure, it's just like the older Quake's, albeit with new weapons, graphics, levels, etc. But that's exactly what Quake fans (myself included) want. I mean, I don't want anyone to go and change what's already a great franchise...

So, if you like Quake go ahead and pick this one up. I know I've got my preorder ready, now to upgrade my PC fast!
 
[quote name='Zoglog']yeah falcon, I saw your post on gamefaqs. Are you getting the game on day 1? I sure as hell am :D[/QUOTE]
ya
no sleep for me on the 18
 
I am in touch with the PC Gaming world. I get Gamespy Daily, read Slashdot Games and subscribe to PC Gamer.

I swear, the first I knew (as in, said - hey, Q4 is coming out) was today when I looked in the best buy flier.

Is it me, or has this title really flown under the radar?
 
[quote name='Frogger']I am in touch with the PC Gaming world. I get Gamespy Daily, read Slashdot Games and subscribe to PC Gamer.

I swear, the first I knew (as in, said - hey, Q4 is coming out) was today when I looked in the best buy flier.

Is it me, or has this title really flown under the radar?[/QUOTE]

You're right. and the lukewarm reviews aren't helping things either. I guess that means we will see a price drop soon .. I have the EB credit to get the CE at full price but the CAG in me wants to wait it out.
 
bad reviews doesn't mean the price of the game will come down fast.
Enter the maxtrix any1 ?
NOLF2 had great reviews and it still was 40 after 9months.
 
[quote name='Animefalcon']bad reviews doesn't mean the price of the game will come down fast.
Enter the maxtrix any1 ?
NOLF2 had great reviews and it still was 40 after 9months.[/QUOTE]

yeah good point. i guess what i meant was that flying under the radar and not so great reviews can lead to lower sales than forecasted which usually results in lower prices sooner. but like you pointed out that isn't always the case in the pc game market.
 
[quote name='Animefalcon']bad reviews doesn't mean the price of the game will come down fast.
Enter the maxtrix any1 ?
NOLF2 had great reviews and it still was 40 after 9months.[/QUOTE]

I would love a NOLF3, those games ruled!
 
Yup Quake 4 has been pretty low key. Reminds me of serenity hahah. Anyway err yeah do you guys think Best buy and other stores will have it in on Tuesday? or will I have to wait till wed or thurs? got to get all those mcdonalds best buy bucks ready =)

"AVAILABLE WEDNESDAY, 2 FREE COCA-COLA® PRODUCTS INSTANTLY*"

looks like I wont get it till the 19 unless they are nice and they take it out early like they did with EQ2 for me, but I doubt it.

and wtf 2 coke products?!?
 
[quote name='Zoglog']and wtf 2 coke products?!?[/QUOTE]

No clue on that one- I'd go for the Full Throttle since the game was fun (or at least the demo was, from what I remember).
 
[quote name='wildnuts02']what does that even mean?[/QUOTE]
This is from their review:
As much as it pains me to say it, there isn't a single fresh idea in Quake 4. Gameplay is a Frankenstein's monster of bits and pieces from earlier games stitched together into a serviceable lump that may satisfy lovers of pure shooting mayhem, but is all stuff we've seen many times before. Worse, the borrowed parts were moldy to begin with.
 
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