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On another site I made the following post for shits and giggles yet theres total truth to it-

I titled it-
Money Shots

The body said-
I wouldnt mind laying one across Lita. I like the fact she's a dirty
double u-ach-oh-are-e. Even Gail Kim..i likes them orientals.
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Then I get a pm from someone saying-

title-
The use of "orientals"

body-
I seriously take offense to that term. You may be joking and kidding, but that is a very derogatory word. I kindly ask you edit and just use Asian.

Sensitivity goes a long way plus you do have a young audience in these forums. I would hate to see people drop the "n" word next and think it's funny. I hope you see my point.
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Am I wrong or that out of touch with today's society that using the word oriental is racial slang?
 
I had no idea...

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[quote name='Apossum']I had no idea...

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:D

When I was in school I said Oriental about something. My teacher said that was derogatory. He was Irish not Asian though.
 
That's our word, you can't use :whistle2:x.

But all joking aside, oriental is an outdated word, to me it's like saying someone is "colored". I don't particularly mind if someone uses it in a non-derogatory manner, but I would prefer they just use Asian.
 
Yeah, oriental is out and asian is in, which is dumb since they both denote the same region. Still, go with the flow, I guess. Me, I call people by name rather than any descriptor other than gender.
 
Nope, can't say Asian either...

[quote name='wikipedia']Some people think the term "Oriental" is derogatory, largely because of its connection to imperial 19th century Europeans and Americans who are thought to have held a patronising attitude towards the region. Many of these people saw the East as backwards, while the West was seen as logical, rational and more modern. Furthermore, it is claimed that some courses in "Oriental studies" were riddled with inaccurate information that was used to justify colonization of these countries. Some Asian Americans see parallels between the word "oriental" and "nigger", though many see it as simply old-fashioned and functionless, as many African Americans see the word "Negro". The main criticism of the term is that it is overly vague, referring to a category of peoples with widely divergent cultural and ethnic backgrounds and no clear division between which groups belong to the term and which do not. In the USA, the location where most of the objections to usage of "oriental" occur when describing people, the term is often replaced with "Asian", which is also criticised as overly vague and confusing.[/quote]
 
[quote name='dcfox']That's our word, you can't use :whistle2:x.

But all joking aside, oriental is an outdated word, to me it's like saying someone is "colored". I don't particularly mind if someone uses it in a non-derogatory manner, but I would prefer they just use Asian.[/QUOTE]
It's funny that colored is still in use today by the NAACP, isn't it?
 
[quote name='jmcc']Yeah, oriental is out and asian is in, which is dumb since they both denote the same region. Still, go with the flow, I guess. Me, I call people by name rather than any descriptor other than gender.[/QUOTE]


must get tedious when you refer to entire races and ethnicities :p
 
I was told oriental was for objects and Asain was for people.
IE- Look at all the Asians on the Oriental Express.
 
I didnt think it was a bad thing to be honest. I thought the other person took it a bit far comparing it to the N word.
 
[quote name='Apossum']must get tedious when you refer to entire races and ethnicities :p[/QUOTE]
I'll report in on it when I get to know an entire race or ethnicity.
 
[quote name='Stink_Pickle']I didnt think it was a bad thing to be honest. I thought the other person took it a bit far comparing it to the N word.[/QUOTE]
Yes, a bit. "Jap" or "chink" might have been comparable. Oriental doesn't carry nearly the same hate.
 
[quote name='jmcc']It's funny that colored is still in use today by the NAACP, isn't it?[/quote]
I've always wondered about that.
 
[quote name='jmcc']Yes, a bit. "Jap" or "chink" might have been comparable. Oriental doesn't carry nearly the same hate.[/QUOTE]

"Jap" or "Chink" I can see, but oriental? Guess I cant say fairly that its absurd since my heritage isnt from there.
 
I can see what the problem is, but as a non-Asian, I wouldn't have read anything into it. I call people whose families are from Asia "Asian" because I knew a lot of Asians in school and that's what they referred to themselves generically as. Oriental is frankly a lot more accurate since it doesn't refer to the Middle East and whatnot (at least not that I've ever heard), which is a totally different culture but still part of Asia.

I guess next time just say Japanese or Chinese or whatever?
 
[quote name='Stink_Pickle']"Jap" or "Chink" I can see, but oriental? Guess I cant say fairly that its absurd since my heritage isnt from there.[/QUOTE]
I can. Oriental is one too many syllables for racists to handle.
 
[quote name='Kayden']I was told oriental was for objects and Asain was for people.
..................
.[/QUOTE]

that is what i believe in too.

and yes, i'm asian.
being labeled as "oriental" is a little weird but i don't find it offensive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriental

it is funny that only some asian-american take offense to this term (it is not much of an issue in the rest of the world). if you don't use the word in a negative aspect, then it is NOT offensive.

oh, one final thing
please tell the other user that PORN is derogatory and degrading too (at least to some people).
he/she shouldn't even be clicking a link called "money shots" in the first place
 
[quote name='botticus']I can see what the problem is, but as a non-Asian, I wouldn't have read anything into it. I call people whose families are from Asia "Asian" because I knew a lot of Asians in school and that's what they referred to themselves generically as. Oriental is frankly a lot more accurate since it doesn't refer to the Middle East and whatnot (at least not that I've ever heard), which is a totally different culture but still part of Asia.

I guess next time just say Japanese or Chinese or whatever?[/QUOTE]
Mmm...Asian refers to as far over as India, at least, so it's only slightly more accurate than Oriental, really.
 
:pray:

O Heavenly Lord above, save us thy faithful flocks of orientals, colored people, caucasians, latinos, albinos, winos, asians, europeans, chocolate thunder from down unders, chinky winkys, mooks, kooks, gobbeldyg00ks, fruit bats, blacks, knicks, knacks, paddywacks, WASPS, hornets, cheap-asses, non-cheap asses, fat-asses, dumb-asses, and your run-of-the-mill boring, non-descript multi-ethnic shmuck from the horrors of :censored:-ing political :censored:-ing correctness.
Amen.
 
[quote name='RBM']:pray:

O Heavenly Lord above, save us thy faithful flocks of orientals, colored people, caucasians, latinos, albinos, winos, asians, europeans, chocolate thunder from down unders, chinky winkys, mooks, kooks, gobbeldyg00ks, fruit bats, blacks, knicks, knacks, paddywacks, WASPS, hornets, cheap-asses, non-cheap asses, fat-asses, dumb-asses, and your run-of-the-mill boring, non-descript multi-ethnic shmuck from the horrors of :censored:-ing political :censored:-ing correctness.
Amen.[/QUOTE]
Hey, no praying in CAG.
 
[quote name='RBM']:pray:

O Heavenly Lord above, save us thy faithful flocks of orientals, colored people, caucasians, latinos, albinos, winos, asians, europeans, chocolate thunder from down unders, chinky winkys, mooks, kooks, gobbeldyg00ks, fruit bats, blacks, knicks, knacks, paddywacks, WASPS, hornets, cheap-asses, non-cheap asses, fat-asses, dumb-asses, and your run-of-the-mill boring, non-descript multi-ethnic shmuck from the horrors of :censored:-ing political :censored:-ing correctness.
Amen.[/quote]

You forgot skanks and skallywags. :shame:
 
colored is still in NAACP because it's a brand name. If they went and changed the name, people wouldn't know who the hell to turn to when a honky rascist cracker cop starts using a brother's head for batting practice. oh and i'll use any damn identifier for a person that i want to. i can't stop people on xbox live from calling me a nigger, why can't i say oriental? it seems nowhere near as derogatory as chink, slope, yellow skin, or jap.
 
:pray: May bobo embrace his Inner Chink and fear not its outer manifestation in the mouths of abrasive passer-by's

:pray: May Apossum the Mutt find a loving owner soon

:pray: May jmcc the Prayer Gestapo Officer's penis grow another 0.5" in the night, so that he may finally stop drenching his own testicles when he goes

:pray: May Tiphiret the Self-Appointed Spokesman for the Skanks and Scalliwags of the world eventually be granted membership in their crabs-infested ranks

#-o ...and please help me to avoid mistakenly using Thy where I should have used Thine in the future, 'cause You know I need all the help I can get with my :censored:-ing sloppy grammar.
 
[quote name='Kayden']I was told oriental was for objects and Asain was for people.
IE- Look at all the Asians on the Oriental Express.[/quote]

There you go. Just follow that rule and score tight ass all night. Nothing freaks an (chinese, korean, japanese) chick more while she's drunk, than calling her and oriental.
 
[quote name='RBM']:pray: May bobo embrace his Inner Chink and fear not its outer manifestation in the mouths of abrasive passer-by's

:pray: May Apossum the Mutt find a loving owner soon

:pray: May jmcc the Prayer Gestapo Officer's penis grow another 0.5" in the night, so that he may finally stop drenching his own testicles when he goes

:pray: May Tiphiret the Self-Appointed Spokesman for the Skanks and Scalliwags of the world eventually be granted membership in their crabs-infested ranks

#-o ...and please help me to avoid mistakenly using Thy where I should have used Thine in the future, 'cause You know I need all the help I can get with my :censored:-ing sloppy grammar.[/QUOTE]
That's it. The ACLU is getting a call now.
 
Oriental is offensive to some. Older asians usually do not find it offensive, but it's very risky to use with younger ones. I think there's a few reasons for this. One, it was a name placed on them, not one they chose. Two, it's a name that has often been used as an insult. And, three, as someone said, oriental is often understood to refer to things, not people.

Though when referring to chinese, japanese etc. the "modern" term is east asian.

Basically, this is one of those things that only some will find offensive. Some won't like the word, but won't say anything as long as they don't think you mean offense by it, other will just correct you politely. I think it's unlikely someone would immediately jump in your face because it's not something that they expect everyone to know.

My opinion is if there is a significant risk of someone finding the term offensive then don't use it. It's just a word, why risk insulting and/or making yourself look bad when you can just use asian, east asian etc? It's not that hard.
 
Oriental is outdated but doesn't have the offensive level of the n-word. And yeah, as mentioned, it's used for objects while asians are used for ppl. Although, ppl need to fcukin' lighten up. Communication is difficult enough as it is without all the offensive words. Speaking as a asian, I'd probably be more offended at being called a chink, $$$$, nip, or flip and be up in his face. If someone called me oriental, I'd just laugh it off and call him an ignorant 'tard.
 
[quote name='bobo2k4']As long as you dont call me a chink it doesnt matter.[/quote]

Ok slant. :lol:


I actually find caucasian a stupid term. Can't I just be called white? Does any white person ever get offended when you call them white-unless its white-ass-honky-cracka-mutha-fucka? I find terms like Asian-American or African-American totally asinine. Most "African"-American families have been in the country for 100-200 years. Why can't we just say black and cut the pretentous bull shit? The only way you should call yourself a 'something'-American is if you have a dual citizenship, otherwise you're just a plain American.

Tangent- Why do minorities cry about being narrowed out yet insist upon being labeled Mexican-American? Doesn't it only go to furth single them out as a minority trying to stand out of the collective?
 
[quote name='botticus']I can see what the problem is, but as a non-Asian, I wouldn't have read anything into it. I call people whose families are from Asia "Asian" because I knew a lot of Asians in school and that's what they referred to themselves generically as. Oriental is frankly a lot more accurate since it doesn't refer to the Middle East and whatnot (at least not that I've ever heard), which is a totally different culture but still part of Asia.

I guess next time just say Japanese or Chinese or whatever?[/quote]

Just be careful because some/many Chinese get insulted when you think they are Japanese, and vice versa. There are many little rivalries among people and cultures in Asia for a number or historical reasons. Asian is probably the safer term, but some of them don't like getting lumped into one group with others they don't think of as being the same as them.

As for the other comments about race/ethnicity in the U.S., I'm waiting for the day when we wake up and simply have one category--American. Then we only have to worry about what to call the foreigners...

Dane.
 
technically, it is (for some reason) derogatory or racist to call somebody of asian heritage "oriental." I have no idea why, but instead you're supposed to use "Asian."

I guess it's similar to how it used to be correct to call African Americans "Negroes" while today that is considered a seriously racism word.

I don't make the rules, I'm just telling you what the score is.
 
[quote name='soonersfan60']Just be careful because some/many Chinese get insulted when you think they are Japanese, and vice versa. There are many little rivalries among people and cultures in Asia for a number or historical reasons. Asian is probably the safer term, but some of them don't like getting lumped into one group with others they don't think of as being the same as them.

As for the other comments about race/ethnicity in the U.S., I'm waiting for the day when we wake up and simply have one category--American. Then we only have to worry about what to call the foreigners...

Dane.[/QUOTE]
Well, the Chinese/Japanese one is pretty much for one reason...
 
[quote name='RBM']:pray:

O Heavenly Lord above, save us thy faithful flocks of orientals, colored people, caucasians, latinos, albinos, winos, asians, europeans, chocolate thunder from down unders, chinky winkys, mooks, kooks, gobbeldyg00ks, fruit bats, blacks, knicks, knacks, paddywacks, WASPS, hornets, cheap-asses, non-cheap asses, fat-asses, dumb-asses, and your run-of-the-mill boring, non-descript multi-ethnic shmuck from the horrors of :censored:-ing political :censored:-ing correctness.
Amen.[/QUOTE]

You forgot Charlie too.
 
many said it well, first was kayden.

i call 'Illegal alien biatches!'

wha? no complaints with 'money shot' though? odd world/forums we exist in, eh?

Bravo Team, Go Go Go!

You forgot gay priests, too!
 
Originally, the term "oriental" had no negative connotations. I assume that this began to change after a famous scholar Edward Said wrote a book entitled "Orientalism" in the '70s, in which he criticized scholarly attitudes toward Eastern and Middle-Eastern nations that characterized the Orient as mysterious/exotic, and often as darker and less civilized than Western cultures. As is often the case with political correctness, it would seem the term fell out of disuse with controversy, and now is considered offensive and outdated.
 
[quote name='Dkellar']From a biologist stand point, race does not exist.[/quote]

Well, if you want to be pedantic, it does. We're called the human race which is comprised of many different ethnicities.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']Well, if you want to be pedantic, it does. We're called the human race which is comprised of many different ethnicities.[/quote]

Dogs are sub classified by breed... cats are... birds... every damn animal has a breed name to further classify it. Why don't humans take up the same convention? Oh yea... we're 'too good' to be classified like animals... :roll:
 
[quote name='Kayden']Dogs are sub classified by breed... cats are... birds... every damn animal has a breed name to further classify it. Why don't humans take up the same convention? Oh yea... we're 'too good' to be classified like animals... :roll:[/quote]
I wouldn't say we're too good for it. I mean we're called homo sapiens after all but it's too much like a medical term and who uses medical terms in ordinary conversation other than someone in the medical field? Even then, that term only gives the genus & species classification. There's hardly any consideration of the other descriptors such as kingdom, phylum, order, & family.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']I wouldn't say we're too good for it. I mean we're called homo sapiens after all but it's too much like a medical term and who uses medical terms in ordinary conversation other than someone in the medical field? Even then, that term only gives the genus & species classification. There's hardly any consideration of the other descriptors such as kingdom, phylum, order, & family.[/quote]

I was just speaking in lay terms. Like a doberman or siberian or a calico.
 
[quote name='Kayden']I was just speaking in lay terms. Like a doberman or siberian or a calico.[/quote]

Oh. Well I suppose we could still use ethnic terms in terms of 'breeds'. I mean you have asians but then you have chinese, japanese, etc. just as you have Irish terriers & Yorkshire terriers. But since we're at the top of the food chain, our egos prevent us from such. :lol:
 
Thats what I said. :roll:

:p

[quote name='jaykrue']Oh. Well I suppose we could still use ethnic terms in terms of 'breeds'. I mean you have asians but then you have chinese, japanese, etc. just as you have Irish terriers & Yorkshire terriers. But since we're at the top of the food chain, our egos prevent us from such. :lol:[/quote]
 
i don't care about "oriental" but just don't call me charlie or chink (since i'm not chinese.) besides, i'm a girl so you'll just look dumb calling me charlie.
 
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