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Japan Trade-In Food Chain: DS Lite Hot, Xbox 360 Not


#1 CheapyD   Head Cheap Ass Administrators   17716 Posts   Joined 15.9 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 07:20 AM

Given the popularity of the DS Lite in Japan (and it's sold out status), it isn't suprising that Japanese retailers are offering decent trade-in prices for those willing to part with their new-model DS. But, would you believe that the DS Lite's trade-in value has eclipsed its original MSRP and is more valuable than a used Xbox 360?

The Enterking chain of video/game stores is offering 18,000¥ ($153 US) for a used DS Lite, which is about $10 more than it's 16,800¥ MSRP.

Even more interesting is that an Xbox 360 console trade-in will only fetch 15,000¥ ($128), which matches the trade-in worth of a PSP Value Pack and a slim-line Silver PS2. The older model DS are still somewhat difficult to find in Japan and will score you 14,000¥ ($119) at Enterking.

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As a person who visits quite a lot of used video game stores in the Tokyo area, I can't say that I am suprised. The Xbox 360 sections are always well stocked with used consoles and games. Even titles like Dead or Alive 4 and Ridge Racer 6, which were supposed to be big hits with Japanese gamers, are in ample supply can be picked up used at a bargain price (under $30, usually).

As much as I'd like to see the Xbox 360 succeed in Japan, I won't shed too many tears, just as long I can continue to score used 360 game deals like King Kong for $17 and Need for Speed for $25. Even the import 360 games aren't holding their value.

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#2 RAMSTORIA   fate is inexorable CAGiversary!   11980 Posts   Joined 14.7 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 07:41 AM

i almost feel bad for microsoft.... almost

#3 thorbahn3   Everyone talks too much! Super Moderators   4201 Posts   Joined 15.1 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 07:46 AM

Interesting. Do you see any DS systems with American packaging being sold because they are still at a high demand?

#4 fatbeer   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2116 Posts   Joined 14.2 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 08:13 AM

Microsoft should fire their Market and public relationship for Japan and rehire employees who are well knowledgable about the culture and society.

#5 m_que01   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   183 Posts   Joined 15.7 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 08:25 AM

So what is the MSRP over there for the xbox 360. I wouldn't mind getting a 360 for $150 though, it's tough enough forkin' out $400 for a premium package over here. Can't pass it up though, gotta play Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. But iff they're only fetching about $150 in tradde-in I'm assuming the MSRP must be around 250-300.

#6 thorbahn3   Everyone talks too much! Super Moderators   4201 Posts   Joined 15.1 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 10:02 AM

Microsoft should fire their Market and public relationship for Japan and rehire employees who are well knowledgable about the culture and society.


They "relocated" him. :)

#7 Dick Tracy   The Man in the Yellow Hat CAGiversary!   38662 Posts   Joined 14.7 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 10:36 AM

Oh, man. The Xbox 360 must suck, then.

#8 arcadia   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   49 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 12:01 PM

I never really saw the 360 as that good of a system. It seemed more like a 'slim PS2' version of the Xbox. Single player gaming doesn't seem to be it's focus, they want an online/multiplayer community for this thing.

#9 redline   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1009 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 12:21 PM

Why does Microsoft even bother selling the 360 in Japan? It hardly seems worth it for them. They should have just focused on North America and Europe and said to hell with Japan, especially after the first Xbox did so poorly there.

#10 Gameboy415   16-bits of awesome CAGiversary!   3419 Posts   Joined 15.2 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 12:38 PM

Why does Microsoft even bother selling the 360 in Japan? It hardly seems worth it for them. They should have just focused on North America and Europe and said to hell with Japan, especially after the first Xbox did so poorly there.


Seriously. Or they could have at least made it completely region free so people like me and Cheapy who are in Japan with access to MOUNTAINS of 360's could have made some cash selling 'em on eBay last fall! ;)

#11 CheapyD   Head Cheap Ass Administrators   17716 Posts   Joined 15.9 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 12:42 PM

So what is the MSRP over there for the xbox 360.

about $325 or so.

Seriously. Or they could have at least made it completely region free so people like me and Cheapy who are in Japan with access to MOUNTAINS of 360's could have made some cash selling 'em on eBay last fall! ;)

Ha... I LOL'd at that one. :bouncy:

#12 jkam   Smash It Up CAGiversary!   12144 Posts   Joined 15.2 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 01:34 PM

They should remove all XBOX 360's from Japan. Next they should create some RPG's and other games that appeal to Japanese gamers. Build up a frenzy when they can't get the console and then re-release the system. Doubt that will happen though.

It doesn't help that most Japanese gamers don't like FPS games which is a big portion of the XBOX 360's lineup. I never owned an XBOX and paying for the online service doesn't really entice me either. I still see the XBOX and the XBOX 360 as ho-hum.

#13 drsuper23   Been here a while CAGiversary!   1071 Posts   Joined 15.3 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 01:36 PM

The shipping from Japan to the US would probably kill any chance of me wanting to import a 360...
...I wonder how much it would be. Or maybe I can go to eBay and find out!

#14 rebthor   Devil Customer CAGiversary!   414 Posts   Joined 15.2 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 01:38 PM

Interesting. But I did notice from the pictures that while they are only paying 15,000¥ for the 360, they are charging 32,800¥ - a pretty hefty markup. However, looking at the DS, yeah they are paying 18,000¥ for a used model, they are only making a profit of 1800¥ on it (which is what ~$14?).

All this tells me is that the DS is in such demand, that they are willing to make almost no money on it just to get people into their store. The 360 on the other hand has your standard 100% markup on used goods (it must be Gamestop of Japan :lol:)

#15 Jewelz23   one spec @ a time. CAGiversary!   945 Posts   Joined 15.6 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 02:05 PM

I'd love to say that Microsoft is not as ignorant as they seem with the XBOX 360 in Japan but sadly it's true. It might be indeed the worst Idea by Microsoft ever.

Yes EVER, Microsoft knew from the Jump that the xbox 360 would not be a huge success out in Japan...needless to say that I was telling all my friends...people on the way even in the subway out in NYC...that Microsoft needs to focus on where people will actually support the console. What good is a huge market when they will refuse to support your product? I never understood the stubborness...I bet Cheapy D can go to almost any store in Tokyo and he wont have any problem finding a used XBOX (Original X-BOX) no problem...cheap as hell...including a couple of games. It's the dumbest move by a major company I have ever seen...all those manufactured systems are eventually going to waste.

What Microsoft SHOULD have done was release the xbox 360 in extremely limited quantities AFTER HALO 3 and the Sequel to Ninja Gaiden is released. Instead Microsoft was worried about Sony gaining a lead after the PS3 came out...the PS3 will outgain whatever the xbox 360 sold in Japan for 1+ year in about 2 weeks...maybe less. Nintendo will follow suit and crush the XBOX 360 with the revolution not too long after.

Microsoft deserves a big F for this. I almost feel so dissapointed that I should boycott Microsoft and all their actions for shipping consoles out there while people here in the United States were giving $800 hard earned dollars for the console alone or being forced to buy asinine bundles that those fucks at gamestop made everyone get.

#16 Puffa469   is too Pro Shops CAGiversary!   6105 Posts   Joined 13.7 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 02:13 PM

The 360 on the other hand has your standard 100% markup on used goods (it must be Gamestop of Japan :lol:)


Did you see all those stickers on the used 360 box? It IS Gamestop of Japan! lol

#17 HeadRusch   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1290 Posts   Joined 14.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 03:13 PM

Are you guys collectively so stupid as to blame Microsoft for this failure? Try blaming the Japanese people who have expressed no interest in it. Guess what, not everything sells everywhere....Laserdiscs never really took off in the United States, Video CD's never even were a blip on our radar......

Is it Feverish Nationalism at work? "We think the 360 is lousy because its not made by Sony", or perhaps is it because there are no games starring Super-Deformed Hot Dogs with cute smiles battling ancient feudal Japanese warriors on the bullet-train??? Could be...

I'm guessing its a little of both. Add to this that online multiplayer gaming is a huge boom in the United States, but really not as big a deal in Japan.

Think about it.....most of us live in the 'burbs...our nation is huge, spread out over a gajilion square miles. Our homes are palatial compared to other countries, 2000-4000 square feet of home living goodness. Alot of us in the states can't even walk to a store in any kind of timely fashion.

Japan's populace is mostly centered in the large super cities....they have small, tiny homes or apartments. When they want to kick back, they want to go OUT.....they live in areas that cater to the fact tha tthey dont want to lounge around the 100 square foot pad when they aren't working. Multiplayer gaming for them means going out to an arcade or internet bar or whatever. The portable systems rule Japan because the Japanese are always on the move.

So LIVE isn't a huge selling point.....not nearly the big deal it is over here....

Either way, Japan was never the primary target for this system..the core launch of games proves this. Microsoft was banking on the Japanese love of tech gadgets to sell systems, but clearly thats not the case.

Anyone who's shitting on the 360 either can't afford to own one, or is suffering from sort of strange PS3/Nintendo bias. The system is quite good, not perfect, not without flaws, but a worthy sucessor to the Xbox. The system isn't a half year old yet and already its got games that are keepers. People who are bashing it are putting up some really lame arguements. The hardware does what its supposed to, HD gaming with pretty graphics. Whats to complain about?

The japanese aren't buying it so it must be crap? Oh brother.....

#18 corrosivefrost   I created this world and you can't keep me here. CAGiversary!   39519 Posts   Joined 13.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 03:27 PM

As annoying as the DS Lite shortage has been, at least it's a good sign of the success of the DS.

The trade in price is unreal, though. :)

#19 Dr Mario Kart   SD/2D Defense Force CAGiversary!   10957 Posts   Joined 15.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 03:31 PM

It is correct that Japan was never the primary target for the system. However, I dont see a problem with blaming Microsoft for choosing to introduce a product where there is no market for its games, when there are starving markets elsewhere.

Putting up lame arguments against bashing the xbox? There is only one legitimate argument/complaint. Games. This of course is an opinion. The Japanese clearly dont like their games. They're not wrong. Americans clearly like the games. They're not wrong. Its an opinion.

The systems clearly have different trends as far as genres. Shitting on the box because of its games is an extremely legitimate reason.

#20 Jewelz23   one spec @ a time. CAGiversary!   945 Posts   Joined 15.6 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 03:58 PM

Are you guys collectively so stupid as to blame Microsoft for this failure? Try blaming the Japanese people who have expressed no interest in it. Guess what, not everything sells everywhere....Laserdiscs never really took off in the United States, Video CD's never even were a blip on our radar......

Is it Feverish Nationalism at work? "We think the 360 is lousy because its not made by Sony", or perhaps is it because there are no games starring Super-Deformed Hot Dogs with cute smiles battling ancient feudal Japanese warriors on the bullet-train??? Could be...

I'm guessing its a little of both. Add to this that online multiplayer gaming is a huge boom in the United States, but really not as big a deal in Japan.

Think about it.....most of us live in the 'burbs...our nation is huge, spread out over a gajilion square miles. Our homes are palatial compared to other countries, 2000-4000 square feet of home living goodness. Alot of us in the states can't even walk to a store in any kind of timely fashion.

Japan's populace is mostly centered in the large super cities....they have small, tiny homes or apartments. When they want to kick back, they want to go OUT.....they live in areas that cater to the fact tha tthey dont want to lounge around the 100 square foot pad when they aren't working. Multiplayer gaming for them means going out to an arcade or internet bar or whatever. The portable systems rule Japan because the Japanese are always on the move.

So LIVE isn't a huge selling point.....not nearly the big deal it is over here....

Either way, Japan was never the primary target for this system..the core launch of games proves this. Microsoft was banking on the Japanese love of tech gadgets to sell systems, but clearly thats not the case.

Anyone who's shitting on the 360 either can't afford to own one, or is suffering from sort of strange PS3/Nintendo bias. The system is quite good, not perfect, not without flaws, but a worthy sucessor to the Xbox. The system isn't a half year old yet and already its got games that are keepers. People who are bashing it are putting up some really lame arguements. The hardware does what its supposed to, HD gaming with pretty graphics. Whats to complain about?

The japanese aren't buying it so it must be crap? Oh brother.....

Microsoft should have launched the 360 in Japan in December 08 or something...

#21 Strell   LOBSTERS!....IN MY PANTS! CAGiversary!   26583 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 04:22 PM

Anyone who's shitting on the 360 either can't afford to own one, or is suffering from sort of strange PS3/Nintendo bias. The system is quite good, not perfect, not without flaws, but a worthy sucessor to the Xbox. The system isn't a half year old yet and already its got games that are keepers. People who are bashing it are putting up some really lame arguements. The hardware does what its supposed to, HD gaming with pretty graphics. Whats to complain about?


Gawwwwwwwwwwwhd, I KNOW. I mean like, anyone who disagrees is like SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STUPID AND BIASED.

#22 Aleryn   CheapassSinceGradeSchool CAGiversary!   764 Posts   Joined 14.4 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 06:33 PM

Wonder how much of the 360's shunning is based on the possibility that the Japanese are upholding the status quo of ignoring foreign consoles.

And how much of the DS Lite's success, insanely high success is based on the flipside of that status quo. The obsession of having the latest greatest piece of electronics - that if you lack, are somehow lesser.

I could be way off, but that's the sort of thing this brings to mind for me. They just seem like a very trendy, chic society when it comes to electronics.

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 06:46 PM

Are you guys collectively so stupid as to blame Microsoft for this failure? Try blaming the Japanese people who have expressed no interest in it. Guess what, not everything sells everywhere....Laserdiscs never really took off in the United States, Video CD's never even were a blip on our radar......

Is it Feverish Nationalism at work? "We think the 360 is lousy because its not made by Sony", or perhaps is it because there are no games starring Super-Deformed Hot Dogs with cute smiles battling ancient feudal Japanese warriors on the bullet-train??? Could be...

I'm guessing its a little of both. Add to this that online multiplayer gaming is a huge boom in the United States, but really not as big a deal in Japan.

Think about it.....most of us live in the 'burbs...our nation is huge, spread out over a gajilion square miles. Our homes are palatial compared to other countries, 2000-4000 square feet of home living goodness. Alot of us in the states can't even walk to a store in any kind of timely fashion.

Japan's populace is mostly centered in the large super cities....they have small, tiny homes or apartments. When they want to kick back, they want to go OUT.....they live in areas that cater to the fact tha tthey dont want to lounge around the 100 square foot pad when they aren't working. Multiplayer gaming for them means going out to an arcade or internet bar or whatever. The portable systems rule Japan because the Japanese are always on the move.

So LIVE isn't a huge selling point.....not nearly the big deal it is over here....

Either way, Japan was never the primary target for this system..the core launch of games proves this. Microsoft was banking on the Japanese love of tech gadgets to sell systems, but clearly thats not the case.

Anyone who's shitting on the 360 either can't afford to own one, or is suffering from sort of strange PS3/Nintendo bias. The system is quite good, not perfect, not without flaws, but a worthy sucessor to the Xbox. The system isn't a half year old yet and already its got games that are keepers. People who are bashing it are putting up some really lame arguements. The hardware does what its supposed to, HD gaming with pretty graphics. Whats to complain about?

The japanese aren't buying it so it must be crap? Oh brother.....


It is MS' fault.
They seemed to put a LOT of effort into promoting it, talked a LOT about how they would win over the market, then they fucked up by not having enough games at launch. They should've waited and launched it with a bunch of games that the Japanese would be interested in.

like you said, different places like different products and a company who's trying to break into that territory should make the product on those terms. Microsoft should've known that the Japanese weren't just going to eat up a foreign product by a company that failed before in Japan without decent justification...the 360 hasn't provided any.

You make a good point about the lay of the land and culture there-- you should send that to MS for their next system launch. They'll need to tailor the system with that in mind, if they want to stand a chance.

#24 thorbahn3   Everyone talks too much! Super Moderators   4201 Posts   Joined 15.1 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 08:24 PM

Wonder how much of the 360's shunning is based on the possibility that the Japanese are upholding the status quo of ignoring foreign consoles.

And how much of the DS Lite's success, insanely high success is based on the flipside of that status quo. The obsession of having the latest greatest piece of electronics - that if you lack, are somehow lesser.

I could be way off, but that's the sort of thing this brings to mind for me. They just seem like a very trendy, chic society when it comes to electronics.


Like CheapyD says in every other cagcast, the iPod is huge over there (an electronic product from America)

#25 RedvsBlue  

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 08:36 PM

Like CheapyD says in every other cagcast, the iPod is huge over there (an electronic product from America)


I love how everyone jumps to that anytime the discussion about Japan shunning America's products. I won't argue that point but it is important to point out that it is the ONLY American product that is wildly popular in Japan.

That and the fact that there is very little in the way of an equivalent competition for the iPod. Sure there are mp3 players but the iPod is really in a category in itself due to the matching of style and performance.

Now look at it from the opposite direction. Japanese products are pretty damn popular in America vs. their domestic competition. Look at TVs, most people trust Japanese makers above American manufacturers. Hell, that stands for most electronics as well. Japanese cars are quickly becoming more popular than American cars. Toyota is now the number 1 car manufacturer in the world.

Just because there is 1 American product that is wildly popular doesn't mean that there isn't a nationalistic bias in their purchasing.

#26 Strell   LOBSTERS!....IN MY PANTS! CAGiversary!   26583 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 08:40 PM

Why are people complaining about nationalistic bias?

What, are you going to bitch the Japanese into submission? I'm afraid I don't even understand why there is a conversation about it to begin with.

I'm sure most countries have a bias against America in some way or another. We are the fattest, loudest, most irresponsible country in the world. We have the most disposable income, use the most resources, and are currently on a warpath with a "YER EITHER WI'DUS OR AGINUS!" attitude.

Hell, I heard the Xbox had enough issues purely based on the size of the machine alone. That's not fanboy bias, that's simple fact. They have tiny apartments, don't want a bigass machine in there. I think the N64 had some similar issues also.

There's a bias, people. And there's really not much you can do about it.

I mean, water is wet. Wtf.

#27 blackjaw   probably surfing CAGiversary!   2554 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2006 - 09:29 PM

i think its funny that people get all on the defensive about this stuff

"oh its not MS fault, its the japs faults" "ipod is the only american thing they like" etc etc

does it matter? if you enjoy the console here in the states, thats great....like Strell above me said...tough luck...looks like MS looses out of japan yet again due to numerous factors that are well beyond the average messageboard posters control

there's no point in getting defensive and accusing others of dumb stuff like fanboy-ism and whatnot...saying MS is losing out of the Japan console race doesnt take a fanboy, or a genius, to point out

i wish everyone would get over the whole CONSOLLE WARSESS!!!11!! and just play their damn game system

#28 Dr Mario Kart   SD/2D Defense Force CAGiversary!   10957 Posts   Joined 15.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 10:22 PM

though its somewhat extreme, people should care about the console wars. Why?

Because marketshare sways third parties. How well your company does determines in part, whether or not it gets games at all.

No one wants to see their favorite games, or even worse, their favorite platform, die. And the best way to be the furthest away from death, is to be #1. I dont have any problem with people getting involved in the welfare of a company. Even if sometimes they do it with too much zeal.

Edit: Example.

Its 1998. You, <insert name>, enjoys the Dreamcast platform, and its games. I despise EA. However, should I or should I not be concerned if EA decides not to support the platform. Why should I even care if I dont play EA games? But it matters, because other people care.

#29 HeadRusch   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1290 Posts   Joined 14.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 10:33 PM

[quote name='Apossum']It is MS' fault.
They seemed to put a LOT of effort into promoting it, talked a LOT about how they would win over the market, then they fucked up by not having enough games at launch. They should've waited and launched it with a bunch of games that the Japanese would be interested in.
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I'm not disagreeing...I'm just irritated by people who blame Microsoft and then, like, swear they're going to do some kind of boycott or then say the system is crap. Its like saying "Butter makes me sick, I'm never eating Meat again!".

!??!?!

[/QUOTE]
like you said, different places like different products and a company who's trying to break into that territory should make the product on those terms. Microsoft should've known that the Japanese weren't just going to eat up a foreign product by a company that failed before in Japan without decent justification...the 360 hasn't provided any.
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Well I think Microsoft was hoping that a game like PGR3 would sell, i mean, the Japanese love racers..I imagine those that nabbed a 360 probably bought that game to go along with it. COD2? I can see them truly not giving a crap....I mean, WW2 isn't exactly a booming "HEY HEY!" joyfest over there...

At the same time, why develop a game like Super Demon Happy Mushroom Land...SuperDeformed edition...when it wouldn't really sell outside of that one market. And you'd need a dozen of them to make the expensive system viable. Plus, it doesn't play HDDVD or Blu-Ray....so it loses that gadget factor too.

I'm curious, maybe Cheapy could comment: HOws the HDTV penetration over there....?? ARe the japanese stocking their homes with big 50" screens?

ANYHOW I think Microsofts strategy is make games for the lowest common denominator, certainly at launch, that will appeal to themost people. I mean, there are plenty of Japanese who love their FPS's...they just aren't a national phenomina like they are here, I am GUESSING because of my arguement that their society isn't about being cooped up at home playing co-op online, which is traditionally where most FPS's really shine.

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You make a good point about the lay of the land and culture there-- you should send that to MS for their next system launch. They'll need to tailor the system with that in mind, if they want to stand a chance.[/QUOTE]

Again...my gripe isn't that M$ didn't drop the ball on the system, its the people saying "Japan hates it, I hate it"...thats just..frickin absurd.

As for the DS, I think the DS hits on alot of levels. One, its chic. Two, its small and portable...and Japan is a small and portable society. Three, its got loads of Japanese-first games. Plankton....Animal Crossing..all of these games that Japanese people play wirelessly.

Videogames there are almost a social vibe unto themselves...here they're games, but over there it feels more like they're used to "break the ice"...meet other people..etc. Like if you have DS lite you're automatically part of this social club........

#30 Dr Mario Kart   SD/2D Defense Force CAGiversary!   10957 Posts   Joined 15.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 10:38 PM

Again...my gripe isn't that M$ didn't drop the ball on the system, its the people saying "Japan hates it, I hate it"...thats just..frickin absurd.


I dont think too many people are actually saying this though?

However, I dont see it as being unreasonable, in the singular case that YOUR PERSONAL tastes are in line with the Japanese tastes.