Another teacher gets into trouble (NSFW)

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It's definitely not pornographic and it's not fair that she loses her job over it but I wouldn't want her teaching my daughter because just by taking these pictures and posting them online she is demonstrating a complete lack of judgment. Can't she keep this shit private? Why post them online?
 
[quote name='javeryh']It's definitely not pornographic and it's not fair that she loses her job over it but I wouldn't want her teaching my daughter because just by taking these pictures and posting them online she is demonstrating a complete lack of judgment. Can't she keep this shit private? Why post them online?[/quote]

LoL - not MY daughter.

Why is it your business if she does her teaching job professionally?

Is your daughter so fragile that seeing art featuring nude pictures of another female body will destroy her sense of morality and cause her to act in a way that you don't want?
 
[quote name='camoor']LoL - not MY daughter.

Why is it your business if she does her teaching job professionally?

Is your daughter so fragile that seeing art featuring nude pictures of another female body will destroy her sense of morality and cause her to act in a way that you don't want?[/quote]

That's a big if.
 
I can always count on the OP to keep the rest of CAG up to speed on who's getting nekkid at any point in time.

It's like your fuckin' radar, man.
 
Good to see that there are still ugly and haggard teachers in the schools. Every recent teacher scandal has revolved around some young bubbly blonde.
 
[quote name='camoor']LoL - not MY daughter.

Why is it your business if she does her teaching job professionally?

Is your daughter so fragile that seeing art featuring nude pictures of another female body will destroy her sense of morality and cause her to act in a way that you don't want?[/quote]

I don't know - she's 2. I'm not worried about her seeing another naked female body - I want her to have a healthy attitude towards sex (and act responsibly when the time comes) but in my view this isn't about sex or nudity at all. It's about the pea-sized brain in that teacher's head. She could be the best teacher in the world but the fact is that she is responsible for other people's children for 7 hours a day. As a parent you don't want to have to question her judgment for even a second. There's just too much other shit to worry about.

I'd love to be able to grow my hair long and pierce my face but I'm pretty sure I'd be fired for "expressing myself" because I live in the real world where lawyers should look a certain way and teachers shouldn't be posting naked pictures of themselves on the internet.
 
[quote name='javeryh']I don't know - she's 2. I'm not worried about her seeing another naked female body - I want her to have a healthy attitude towards sex (and act responsibly when the time comes) but in my view this isn't about sex or nudity at all. It's about the pea-sized brain in that teacher's head. She could be the best teacher in the world but the fact is that she is responsible for other people's children for 7 hours a day. As a parent you don't want to have to question her judgment for even a second. There's just too much other shit to worry about.

I'd love to be able to grow my hair long and pierce my face but I'm pretty sure I'd be fired for "expressing myself" because I live in the real world where lawyers should look a certain way and teachers shouldn't be posting naked pictures of themselves on the internet.[/quote]

It's not fair to make a teacher live a chaste or secretive life outside the classroom just for Javeryh's "peace of mind"

Would you like it if someone from your lawyer's office followed you home and fired you for what you do outside of representing your clients? Maybe they think your afterwork activities are unhealthy, unchristian, or whatever else people get squeamish about - should that be a reason to terminate your employment if you still show up to work alert, presentable, and you do your job? Maybe they would feel more "peace of mind" if they could fire you and hire someone who doesn't drink/smoke/play extras in horror movies/go to pro-Bush rallies or whatever - is that fair?

I agree - I'm not going to hire a lawyer who shows up looking like Cheech and Chong. But if I knew that Daniel M. Petrocelli likes to tomcat in stripbars after work I would still hire him - because he's a damn good lawyer and what he does afterwork is none of my business.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I can always count on the OP to keep the rest of CAG up to speed on who's getting nekkid at any point in time.

It's like your fuckin' radar, man.[/QUOTE]


I figure I should atleast try to do something well instead of the usual banter, and it just happens that photography is a fun hobby for me.:)
 
[quote name='camoor']It's not fair to make a teacher live a chaste or secretive life outside the classroom just for Javeryh's "peace of mind"[/quote]

Yes it is. Absolutely 100%. There is a double standard for teachers as far as acting a certain way outside of the classroom and that's the way it should be. There is nothing more valuable to a parent than peace of mind when someone else is watching your kid. Find another teacher - there are plenty of them who aren't posting naked pictures of themselves on the internet.

[quote name='camoor']Would you like it if someone from your lawyer's office followed you home and fired you for what you do outside of representing your clients? Maybe they think your afterwork activities are unhealthy, unchristian, or whatever else people get squeamish about - should that be a reason to terminate your employment if you still show up to work alert, presentable, and you do your job? Maybe they would feel more "peace of mind" if they could fire you and hire someone who doesn't drink/smoke/play extras in horror movies/go to pro-Bush rallies or whatever - is that fair?[/quote]

Would I like it? - obviously not. Who would? But fair has nothing to do with it. It's hard to explain if you don't have kids... what if you found out she was a "functioning alcoholic"? She's a great teacher, never even thought for one second she drank at all but one night she gets arrested for her third DWI and loses her license and it makes headlines... should she be fired? Probably not if she was a great lawyer, basketball player or accountant - but as a teacher? Without hesitation.

[quote name='camoor']I agree - I'm not going to hire a lawyer who shows up looking like Cheech and Chong. But if I knew that Daniel M. Petrocelli likes to tomcat in stripbars after work I would still hire him - because he's a damn good lawyer and what he does afterwork is none of my business.[/quote]

That's fine and I'd probably hire him too because it doesn't matter - but I just wouldn't hire him to babysit.
 
i mean, those aren't artsy pictures - they're really self-love pictures.

and furthermore, a lot of those pictures are suggestive - the poses, the lighting, the choice of clothing (when there is clothing).

if this was part of her other career (as a photographer like Cindy Sherman) then maybe she could defend it - but those are just pictures online of her.

I'm all for being open about art (i mean, i love Paul McCarthy's stuff) but be smart about what you're doing - unless you're going to explain why you've posted semi nude, erotic or at least suggestive photos of yourself on MYSPACE, then you shouldn't do it.

really, she had what was coming to her.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Yes it is. Absolutely 100%. There is a double standard for teachers as far as acting a certain way outside of the classroom and that's the way it should be. There is nothing more valuable to a parent than peace of mind when someone else is watching your kid. Find another teacher - there are plenty of them who aren't posting naked pictures of themselves on the internet.[/quote]

You must live in some dream world where there are plenty of competent, well-liked teachers with experience willing to work for close to minimum wage in the public school system.

If you're paying for private education then you're entitled to have a teacher who never takes off their undies, thinks dirty thoughts, or whatever ridiculously lofty ideal you're trying to judge teachers by, but back in the real world you should be happy if your kid is learning the ABCs in a structured enviornment, whether or not they have happened to dabble in artistic photography or have gone topless in Cancun.

Frankly, I'd be more worried if the teacher showed no relationship interests at all - prolly a much better indicator of a kid-toucher.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Yes it is. Absolutely 100%. There is a double standard for teachers as far as acting a certain way outside of the classroom and that's the way it should be. There is nothing more valuable to a parent than peace of mind when someone else is watching your kid. Find another teacher - there are plenty of them who aren't posting naked pictures of themselves on the internet.



Would I like it? - obviously not. Who would? But fair has nothing to do with it. It's hard to explain if you don't have kids... what if you found out she was a "functioning alcoholic"? She's a great teacher, never even thought for one second she drank at all but one night she gets arrested for her third DWI and loses her license and it makes headlines... should she be fired? Probably not if she was a great lawyer, basketball player or accountant - but as a teacher? Without hesitation.



That's fine and I'd probably hire him too because it doesn't matter - but I just wouldn't hire him to babysit.[/QUOTE]

You're kidding yourself if you think those athletes and movie stars that Camoor mentioned earlier in this thread don't have just as much impact on your children's psyche as their teachers...

Not to mention the fact that this teacher is a high school teacher. If a kid in high school is influenced that much by seeing their teacher naked online then they weren't playin' with a full deck in the first place.
 
Does anyone here seriously think that posting nudie photos of yourself online would not cause problems for a teacher? Seriously?

Keep in mind, I'm not asking *should* it cause problems... I'm asking would it - there's a big difference.
 
[quote name='javeryh']It's definitely not pornographic and it's not fair that she loses her job over it but I wouldn't want her teaching my daughter because just by taking these pictures and posting them online she is demonstrating a complete lack of judgment. Can't she keep this shit private? Why post them online?[/quote]
umm how in the hell would it be art if no one can see it?
but then again your probably one of those people against any art with any kind of nudity in it arent you? its amazing how people find breasts so damn offensive get off your high horse will you.....just out of curiousty have you ever been in a art class? you better never ever let your daughter go to college and take a art painting course because odds are it will involve nude models *gasp*! ohh and just for the record you would be very suprised the things some teachers do when they are not at work.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Yes it is. Absolutely 100%. There is a double standard for teachers as far as acting a certain way outside of the classroom and that's the way it should be. There is nothing more valuable to a parent than peace of mind when someone else is watching your kid. Find another teacher - there are plenty of them who aren't posting naked pictures of themselves on the internet.[/quote] no there shouldnt be. god forbid someone would believe what they teach.its art plain and simple not porn the picture of her showing her boobs is actually a very powerful piece.but then again horndogs like you cant get past the part that she is nude your like some schoolboy seeing breasts for the first time"like zomg she is nekkid dude wow !!!" grow up

Would I like it? - obviously not. Who would? But fair has nothing to do with it. It's hard to explain if you don't have kids... what if you found out she was a "functioning alcoholic"? She's a great teacher, never even thought for one second she drank at all but one night she gets arrested for her third DWI and loses her license and it makes headlines... should she be fired? Probably not if she was a great lawyer, basketball player or accountant - but as a teacher? Without hesitation.
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thats is without a doubt the stupidist effing thing i have ever heard . what would drinking and driving have to do with teaching? i admit that if a teacher should show up to work drunk or smelling of alcohol then yes fire them asap. but for what they do when they are not working is none of your buisness.next you will say peoples rights should be limited because of what they do for a living . lawyers for example are the same people who uphold ( supposedly) the law and bring justice etc etc etc t i think i lawyer has way more potential to cause harm to everyone than a friggen art teacher.for example a lawyer who drinks and drives see's it as no problem and would probably defend any drunk driver he can find just because he relates to what the person did and somehow [SIZE=-1]sets a precedence for the future. this is a way bigger problem . btw i think any and all lawyers who ever broke a law like say, smoked a joint ran a red light etc before or after they became a lawyer should lose thier jobs based on the fact that they broke the law and cant be trusted to uphold it.

not mention the fact that this is a highschool teacher and by that age most kids have seen way more t&a than this .
and i would like to know where the parents of these kids that found the photos online are and why wasnt someone supervising these kids while online trying to find naked pictures . remember the greatest teacher in a childs life is the parents .

ohh and btw im a parent of not one but 2 children . just thought i would throw that in there before you get back on your parental high horse again.

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Teachers are role models and their ability to exert authority over their students is severely undermined if they are caught in an compromising position. Do you think a teacher could seriously control a classroom if there were nude photos of her circulating among the student body?
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Does anyone here seriously think that posting nudie photos of yourself online would not cause problems for a teacher? Seriously?

Keep in mind, I'm not asking *should* it cause problems... I'm asking would it - there's a big difference.[/quote]

i agree it most certainly would cause problems .but i guess what i was getting at with the longwinded portion below this one is does the punishment fit the crime?i dont think it does.



[quote name='dopa345']Teachers are role models and their ability to exert authority over their students is severely undermined if they are caught in an compromising position. Do you think a teacher could seriously control a classroom if there were nude photos of her circulating among the student body?[/quote] while it is true that teachers are role models and it might become a difficult task to maintain control the fact of the matter is there was nothing to be "caught" the pictures were and are freely available to be viewed she wasnt hiding it's what she does she is an art teacher and apparantly a subject of art as well. it may not be your thing but nudity in art no matter if its painted or photgraphed is still considered art and the person who actually took the shots is an award winning photographer.
im not saying that you dont have a point as far as controlling a class room while people can see nude photos of you etc.
what i am saying is that we are not living in the 1800's highschool students are not exactly children , if your old enough, think of some of the things you did back in highschool.
the problems i think is, we tend to put people on pedestals just because someone does a certain thing for a living doesnt mean thats who they have chosen to be 24 hours a day. can you imagine a world were we all only behaved the same way we do at work 24 hours a day? anyone who works for a living and says they act the same way in personal life as they do at work is a straight up liar.
but whats really funny to me is that everyone is pointing fingers at the teacher meanwhile you have underage students surfing the net for naked pictures with no parental supervision whatsoever and as i asked before where are the parents in all of this? i dont want my children online looking at things like that so you know what i do? i supervise them , i maintain my house, its my job to make sure they do not get into things like that ,its my responsibility not the government , the school board or anyone else for that matter.
at the end of the day what exactly are these students being protected from?
looking at naked pictures? seems they already know how to find them and with no parental supervision makes it all the more easy.
do i think it was a smart idea to post the pics? ... no
do i think she should lose her job because of it?.... no
but i do think some sort of disciplinary action might be warrented but termination is a bit harsh considering the subject matter and the subject.
this is way different than say a penthouse pictorial.
personally i consider this art and i looked at ALL the pics and my favorite one is actually the one she uses on her myspace page the one that she holds the sign up in it has amazing use of lighting and color.
i even discussed it with my Mrs. seeing as she was an art major and all.
she agreed it is art .
but who knows maybe its just me . growing up we had art in my house nothing valuable mind you but we did have nude paintings and sculptures
i was taught as a young man the difference between obscene and art .
also,
this isnt the first time a teacher in texas get fired over art.
here is another for example
http://www.nbc10.com/education/9936513/detail.html
 
I don't disagree with your points madpsp per se, but from a purely practical standpoint, it would be impossible for a teacher to command any respect or authority over students if she was seen by her students as nude. Regardless of "art" or whatever, I'm say that high school students are too immature to make that distinction and her ability to do her job is severely undermined.

Honestly, if you were a high school student in her class and came across those pictures, would you have judged them on their artistic quality or would you think, "hey look at Ms. ____ boobs!" and passed them on to your friends and could she continue to command your respect in the classroom?
 
[quote name='madpsp']no there shouldnt be. god forbid someone would believe what they teach.its art plain and simple not porn the picture of her showing her boobs is actually a very powerful piece.but then again horndogs like you cant get past the part that she is nude your like some schoolboy seeing breasts for the first time"like zomg she is nekkid dude wow !!!" grow up

thats is without a doubt the stupidist effing thing i have ever heard . what would drinking and driving have to do with teaching? i admit that if a teacher should show up to work drunk or smelling of alcohol then yes fire them asap. but for what they do when they are not working is none of your buisness.next you will say peoples rights should be limited because of what they do for a living . lawyers for example are the same people who uphold ( supposedly) the law and bring justice etc etc etc t i think i lawyer has way more potential to cause harm to everyone than a friggen art teacher.for example a lawyer who drinks and drives see's it as no problem and would probably defend any drunk driver he can find just because he relates to what the person did and somehow [SIZE=-1]sets a precedence for the future. this is a way bigger problem . btw i think any and all lawyers who ever broke a law like say, smoked a joint ran a red light etc before or after they became a lawyer should lose thier jobs based on the fact that they broke the law and cant be trusted to uphold it.

not mention the fact that this is a highschool teacher and by that age most kids have seen way more t&a than this .
and i would like to know where the parents of these kids that found the photos online are and why wasnt someone supervising these kids while online trying to find naked pictures . remember the greatest teacher in a childs life is the parents .

ohh and btw im a parent of not one but 2 children . just thought i would throw that in there before you get back on your parental high horse again.

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This is a great post.

I love the last part.
 
[quote name='dopa345']I don't disagree with your points madpsp per se, but from a purely practical standpoint, it would be impossible for a teacher to command any respect or authority over students if she was seen by her students as nude. Regardless of "art" or whatever, I'm say that high school students are too immature to make that distinction and her ability to do her job is severely undermined.

Honestly, if you were a high school student in her class and came across those pictures, would you have judged them on their artistic quality or would you think, "hey look at Ms. ____ boobs!" and passed them on to your friends and could she continue to command your respect in the classroom?[/quote]
i agree it really was a stupid thing to do . i am not saying it wasnt and yes it would make her job more difficult . i also agree some people can be very childish guys in general.but i also dont think that just because you see someone nude that you lose all respect for them if it is lost it was probably never there in the first place.
my problem is i just dont think the punishment fits the situation.
 
[quote name='madpsp']i agree it really was a stupid thing to do . i am not saying it wasnt and yes it would make her job more difficult . i also agree some people can be very childish guys in general.but i also dont think that just because you see someone nude that you lose all respect for them if it is lost it was probably never there in the first place.
my problem is i just dont think the punishment fits the situation.[/quote]

So how would you punish her then, if you were her supervisor? How bout this scenerio. Let's say you have a daughter in highschool ( I don't know if you have kids or not. I have 2.) And this male teacher was teaching your daughter lets say, oh...art. All of a sudden, her and her friends find naked pics of him, and one of them is him in nothing but a sunflower hat. How would you react? Honestly.
 
[quote name='vasco']So how would you punish her then, if you were her supervisor? How bout this scenerio. Let's say you have a daughter in highschool ( I don't know if you have kids or not. I have 2.) And this male teacher was teaching your daughter lets say, oh...art. All of a sudden, her and her friends find naked pics of him, and one of them is him in nothing but a sunflower hat. How would you react? Honestly.[/quote]if i was her boss i think i would do something along the lines of 30-60 day unpaid leave a formal apology to parents and students and maybe some volunteer work. i can think of a ton other ways to punish without firing.
as for the rest then you should read the rest of my posts because i answered if i have kids or not and i also answered why its not likely my kids would see that. remember folks reading is fundamental.
 
[quote name='madpsp']if i was her boss i think i would do something along the lines of 30-60 day unpaid leave a formal apology to parents and students and maybe some volunteer work. i can think of a ton other ways to punish without firing.
as for the rest then you should read the rest of my posts because i answered if i have kids or not and i also answered why its not likely my kids would see that. remember folks reading is fundamental.[/quote]

Let's try to be less condescending. And if someone is suspended for 30-60 days unpaid, do you really think someone can survive on earning nothing? That long of an unpaid leave will make anyone, who pays bills of course, go out and look for another job. I can see the formal apology, but will she be respected in school? Might as well be somewhere else, hence the firing.
 
[quote name='vasco']Let's try to be less condescending. And if someone is suspended for 30-60 days unpaid, do you really think someone can survive on earning nothing? That long of an unpaid leave will make anyone, who pays bills of course, go out and look for another job. I can see the formal apology, but will she be respected in school? Might as well be somewhere else, hence the firing.[/quote] actually 30 days is not that big of a deal last time i checked teachers dont work over christmas break and that generally 3-4 weeks. or over the summer generally 3+months and no in most states teachers cannot claim unemployment for the summer period . what do you think they do ? they get temp jobs in the meantime.as far as respect goes its something you earn not something that comes with your title .i actually wasnt trying to be condescending but if your gonna challenge someone on what they have written shouldnt you atleast read what they wrote?
 
[quote name='madpsp']actually 30 days is not that big of a deal last time i checked teachers dont work over christmas break and that generally 3-4 weeks. or over the summer generally 3+months and no in most states teachers cannot claim unemployment for the summer period . what do you think they do ? they get temp jobs in the meantime.as far as respect goes its something you earn not something that comes with your title .i actually wasnt trying to be condescending but if your gonna challenge someone on what they have written shouldnt you atleast read what they wrote?[/quote]

Dude, what school district do you know of doesn't pay their teachers during Xmas and summer? My sister, who works in NY, gets paid during breaks and summer. She gets more if she works summers. Sucks to be teachers where you're from if they don;t get paid during breaks.
 
[quote name='vasco']Dude, what school district do you know of doesn't pay their teachers during Xmas and summer? My sister, who works in NY, gets paid during breaks and summer. She gets more if she works summers. Sucks to be teachers where you're from if they don;t get paid during breaks.[/quote]
yea i know but the sad fact is its true hell i remember as a kid bumping into some of my teachers in the strangest of places like one time at a rap concert i bumped into my english teacher she was an usher etc. not all school districts are the same. some are building new schools while others are closing them down. its not the same everywhere .
 
[quote name='madpsp']yea i know but the sad fact is its true hell i remember as a kid bumping into some of my teachers in the strangest of places like one time at a rap concert i bumped into my english teacher she was an usher etc. not all school districts are the same. some are building new schools while others are closing them down. its not the same everywhere .[/quote]

The teacher was at a *gasp* rap concert? She was *gasp* working there?

That music objectifies women and glorifies violent crime! Not my precious, precious child - I want a teacher who picks flowers and sings in open fields when they're not in a classroom.

Give her the axe!
 
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