The Cross on the podium at the RNC?

Ok, I understand that the Jewish people have been through a lot, and I'm just referring to those in America. Hell, any American who isn't Christian has been pretty mistreated. This however is just being TOO sensative. Even if the cross was the intention of the GOP, you should expect it. How much of thier funding comes from Christian groups anyway?
 
This is really nitpicky, especially considering the many real examples of the Republican party's crusade to shove Christianity down all our throats.
 
Right, let's forget the liberal agenda to completely erradicate religion from anywhere except inside our closets in our home, except radical islam which they are making mandatory is colleges now.
 
WOW! How early do you have to get up to get in your daily GOP Kool-Aid? You must be drinking gallons because you've spewed enough back here.
 
All you do is vomit up liberal cliches and attack any idea that isn't radical liberal in typical liberal fashion. I would actually like to see you argue something instead of stupidly attacking it.

And you should open your eyes and see how the liberal ACLU is on a rampage attacking any idea or person that has anything to do with religion.
 
You win the Republican Stooge Award for today for accusing someone else of doing the same thing you do. Congratulations. You deserve it.

As far as the ACLU goes, you have no idea what you are talking about (but that's another reason you got the award).

No one (not even the ACLU) will ever be able to remove religion from our culture and they aren't even trying to do it. What you have to realize is that in a multi-religious society you have to respect everyone's religion (or lack thereof). You can pray at any time you want, you just can't force other people to join you or use the trappings of government to promote one religion over another. It's all in that pesky document the Consititution.
 
Posted: August 30, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

Mainstream America is reeling with absolute shock from the politically correct decision of the University of North Carolina requiring incoming freshmen to read "Approaching the Qu-ran: The Early Revelations."

The book clearly is a defense of Islam that conveniently leaves out verses that call for the murder of infidels. UNC Chancellor James Moeser, defended his position of assigning the book saying, "It helps us from demonizing a whole group of people with being an enemy simply by practicing the same religion."

Apparently the sacred American Civil Liberties Union doctrines of the separation of church and state only apply to Christians and Jews. How else can you explain why the North Carolina ACLU went to court to support the University of North Carolina's mandatory reading assignment of the pro-Islam book for incoming freshmen?

UNC was challenged by concerned groups in the state, but the ACLU rode to the rescue and a federal appeals court sided with the university.

Try to imagine the ACLU's legal response had UNC Chancellor Moeser assigned all incoming freshmen to read the Old Testament or the Talmud before being admitted. All hell would have broken loose. Yet, there is no hesitation to demand freshmen students be indoctrinated with a theological virus that birthed the murder of almost 3,000 Americans on 9-11.

The First Amendment of the Constitution demands that the government take no position on religion. It is expressly the will of the people. Yet the ACLU in its relentless attack on any form of Christianity comes to the defense of the Islamic faith in a tax-supported University defying the establishment clause of the First Amendment of the Constitution.

For those of you lost in the fog created by politically correct educators and the absolutely biased ACLU to lead you into believing that Islam is a faith of love and peace, please note this quote from Winston Churchill:

That religion [Islam], which above all others was founded and propagated by the sword – the tenets and principles of which are ... incentives to slaughter and which in three continents had produced fighting breeds of men – simulates a wild and merciless fanaticism.

This statement from the brilliant political mind that detected and exposed the dangers of communism to the Western world with his "Iron Curtain" speech at Westminster College in Fulton, Mo.

For those who believe Sir Winston was biased, let's turn to the actual text of the Koran. All Americans need to know there are two editions of the Koran: One in Arabic and the other in English. The English version is much more mild than the hardcore fundamentalist Arabic version.

Sura 5, verse 85 prophesies an inevitable conflict between Muslims and non-Muslims. "Strongest among men in enmity to the believers [Muslims] wilt thou find the Jews and pagans."

Sura 9, verse 5 states: "Then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them. And seize them, beleaguer them and lie and wait for them in every stratagem of war."

You can be sure the freshmen at UNC will not be reading these verses. Neither will they read the following:

Sura 5:51 states: "O ye who believe [Muslims] take not the Jews or the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you who turns to them [for friendship] is of them." The message is clear. If you accept a Jew or a Christian as a friend, you are not one of us. If you're not one of us you're an infidel.

Islamic fundamentalists believe the Koran commands them to fight Christians and Jews: "Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the last day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger [Mohammed] and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth [Islam] among the people of the scripture [Christians and Jews] until they pay the Jazyah [a special high tax to be paid only by Christians and Jews who do not renounce their faith and convert to Islam] with willing submission and feel themselves subdued." (Surat At-Taubah 9:29)

Does this sound peaceful? Does this sound like someone you would like to have for a next door neighbor? Taxing people into poverty who refuse to convert to your faith is peaceful? Killing people who do not submit to Islam is peaceful? Islam is a sister faith to Christianity? Not hardly!

Daniel Pipes, historian, writing for Commentary Magazine's November 2001 issue, records the following shocking story:

In June 1991, Siraj Wahaj, a convert to Islam, was a recipient of the American Muslim community's highest honors and had the privilege of becoming the first Muslim to deliver the daily prayer in the U.S. House of Representatives.

On that occasion he recited from the Koran an appeal to the Almighty to guide American leaders "and grant them righteousness and wisdom."

A little over a year later, Siraj Wahaj was addressing an audience of Muslims in New Jersey and articulated a completely different message from his mild and moderate prayer given before the U.S. House of Representatives.

He said: "If only Muslims were more clever politically, they would take over the United States and replace its constitutional government with a Caliphate [Islamic leadership body].

He continued saying: "If we were united and strong, we would elect our own leader and give allegiance to him. Take my word, if the 6 to 8 million Muslims unite in America, the country will come to us."

Is this loyal to America? Is this peaceful? Calling for the overthrow of the United States government is a sister faith to Christianity? Not hardly!

Yet, at the politically correct University of North Carolina, freshmen are required to read the literature that drives Islamic fundamentalists to kill Christians and Jews – to say nothing of destroying America.
 
That's some nice propaganda there from what appears to be a non-partisan source (eyes rolling).

1. The students were not required to read the Koran itself. It's a book about understanding Islam, something quite a lot of people were trying to do in the wake of 9/11.

2. Was there an option for students who were opposed to reading the book? I know I never read all of the books on my freshman reading list.

3. They are not forcing the students to pray in any way. They are trying to educate them about a major world religion that will play an important part in the future.

4. Apparently the appeals court agreed with the ACLU so they must have some legal standing.

5. It's all speculation as to what the ACLU would have done if it were a christian book. Just venom to scare up the fundies.

Any more weak sauce?
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']The book clearly is a defense of Islam that conveniently leaves out verses that call for the murder of infidels. [/quote]

I told you he was a bigot.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Right, let's forget the liberal agenda to completely erradicate religion from anywhere except inside our closets in our home, except radical islam which they are making mandatory is colleges now.[/quote]

I'm not a Christian, and I do not think Christianity is a prerequisite to my participation in this society. I do not appreciate that some Christians would like to have me and my loved-ones exposed to their agenda in institutions that I help to fund just as you would like not to be exposed to mine. If you are going to expose me to your agenda, then mine should be given equal time and consideration. Since I know that you are not willing to concede this, the ongoing discussion on seperation of church and state is no longer valid. Unless you would like to refund taxes back to me and the millions of others that have been used to fund institutions that recognize only the correct religion... yours.
 
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