Savages: Cleric Supports Targeting Children

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Cleric supports targeting children
By Rajeev Syal
(Filed: 05/09/2004)

An extremist Islamic cleric based in Britain said yesterday that he would support hostage-taking at British schools if carried out by terrorists with a just cause.

Omar Bakri Mohammed, the spiritual leader of the extremist sect al-Muhajiroun, said that holding women and children hostage would be a reasonable course of action for a Muslim who has suffered under British rule.

In an interview with The Sunday Telegraph, Mr Mohammed said: "If an Iraqi Muslim carried out an attack like that in Britain, it would be justified because Britain has carried out acts of terrorism in Iraq.

"As long as the Iraqi did not deliberately kill women and children, and they were killed in the crossfire, that would be okay."

Mr Mohammed, 44, who lives in Edmonton, north London, but is originally from Syria, also claimed that the Chechen rebels were not responsible for the deaths of more than 350 people - at least half of them children - who are so far known to have died in Beslan.

"The Mujahideen [Chechen rebels] would not have wanted to kill those people, because it is strictly forbidden as a Muslim to deliberately kill women and children. It is the fault of the Russians," he said.

The father of seven came to Britain in 1985 after being deported from Saudi Arabia because of his membership of a banned group. He has since been given leave by the Home Office to remain in Britain for five years but the Government is reviewing his status.

He gave an interview yesterday to promote a "celebratory" conference in London next Saturday to commemorate the third anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, was infuriated by Mr Mohammed's comments. "That sounds to me like incitement and I will report him to Scotland Yard," he said. "It is an insult to most moderate Muslims, who are sick of people like this claiming to represent them."

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It's too bad I can't read Arabic. I'm sure what's written on their own publications would turn your stomachs. Go on pretending this is just a fringe minority of Islam. You'll notice that the American based Council on American Islamic Relations, American Muslim Council and even Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam have said NOTHING to denounce the actions in Beslan, Russia. 340+ dead, 155+ children murdered, shot in the back while fleeing and not one American Muslim group has spoken out against this attrocity.

Now we have a Britain based iman saying that this behavior is acceptable. Do you not think there are people preaching the same thing in America? Do you not think that these people are viewed now as warriors instead of terrorists by practitioners of their faith? Don't be shocked when this happens here or in Britian. Of couse the same usual suspects will call me racist, a bigot or whatever. I don't care.

If the majority of Muslims are opposed to these actions and preachings why don't they say so? Why don't they protest their religion being hijacked by a violent minority that will do nothing but bring the wrath of the world against Islam? Why don't they make a stand in this country where their faith is protected, they would have the backing of civil protections and government protection if their speech was met with violence?

The only answer any resonable person can come to is that the silence of "mainstream" Islamic leaders, even in America, is tantamount to tacit approval of such actions. After World War II we were told to believe that there were indeed "good" Germans that were against everything Hitler did and stood for. Unfortunately because they did nothing they ended up standing by and watched their country was destroyed and countless millions died.

Isn't that example of history the "good" Muslims are embracing by saying nothing as the modern day brown and black shirts carry out acts of horrible violence, treachery and murder under the guise of a headscarf and the monnicker of "Islamic Freedom Fighters"? It's time to recognize this threat for what it is, fascism in a headscarf. There is no other goal for these radicals than to overthrow every government they now enjoy protections from and overthrow secular constitutional rule with a Sharia based theocracy.
 
I love how you are a Islamic hater, just love it.

Do you hate everyone that isn't you?

Yes this guy is crazy, but you seem to only be posting hatefull things about mainly Islam. He isn't a Muslim he is a crazy fuck terrorist, and just because he calls himself a muslim doens't make he one.
 
[quote name='David85']I love how you are a Islamic hater, just love it.

Do you hate everyone that isn't you?

Yes this guy is crazy, but you seem to only be posting hatefull things about mainly Islam. He isn't a Muslim he is a crazy shaq-fu terrorist, and just because he calls himself a muslim doens't make he one.[/quote]

Tell that to the supporters who killed Daniel Pearl or Berg or the Nepalese workers as they yelled "God is great".

It is shameful that you personally attack PaD for his pointing out the religious motivations of these depraved terrorists.

You may not think these terrorists are engaged in a religious war against you - but they certainly believe they are.
 
What I am saying is that the terrorists are not really Muslims even through they call themselves that, and all of you think that Islam itself is the problem when it's really the people bastardizing it.
 
yeah there is no such thing as Christian terrorist, PAD, u just like to spread the Muslim hate. You are the reason that I am glad the politics arent on the front, so your propaganda doesnt spread. I have plenty of Muslim friends who are hard working Americans, and its fools like you who keep hate alive.
 
The only hate I saw in that post folks was from someone that claimed taking children hostage for a just cause is moral.

I merely pointed out that not ONE mainstream American or worldwide Islamic leader, group or sect is preventing the widespread abuse of their religion. If they are, the media isn't giving any coverage to them.

I am not an Islamic leader that can discredit these animals. There are tens of thousands of iman's worldwide that say nothing. There is no cry from the leaders of either the Shia or Sunni branch of Islam to stop these acts of terror done in their name. There is no member of the American groups CAIR, AMC or Nation of Islam denouncing the attacks in Russia this week or distancing themselves in ANY way.

You want to paint me the hater? Why? Because I point out that no group will denounce those commiting violence in Allah's name? How am I hating? How am I being bigoted? I challenge you to retort.

Hell, hate speech on this board is when someone questions John Kerry's protests of the Vietnam war and GI's in 1971. Meanwhile you have someone with sway over hundreds in his mosque given creedence and ink in a national British newspaper spreading true hate and the fact that I point it out makes me a bigot? How? Explain this one to me.

You have to understand that people of this type can be anywhere. If this is what this guy is saying in the newspapers without fear of reprisal what are they saying that isn't meant for our ears? What are mosques in France, Britain, Canada or the U.S. hearing? It's a fair question to ask and raise.

We're not talking about people that may go out and vote against your political beliefs here. We're addressing people that will now condone and support the taking of the most innocent of lives. This is a line our enemy has crossed, not me.

Do you need to see this happen in New York? Do you need to see it happen in Pittsburgh, Chicago or Los Angeles? I know Muslims as well. I knew many members of the Nation of Islam that were screwed up beyond belief until they found their faith and are now proper suit wearing professionals and stand up men. Their own leaders here and nationally say nothing out of fear of reprisal. From what? From the people that hijacked their religion.

I'm sorry you still see this in a Pollyanna way where as a message board poster preaching tolerance you think you're above the mark of death that already exists on your head. There are millions of people in this world that would gladly walk into your home, your school, your job or where you shop and shoot you and blow you up. They aren't big titted white Lutherans from Sweden either.

Understand one thing about who YOUR enemies are. They hated you before 9/11, they hated you before we invaded Iraq, they hate those that would question their cause whether they were Islamic, Christian or Jewish. Yet without Muslim's standing up for their own faith and drawing a line in the sand seperating themselves from the very muderous public face of those hijackers the line between good and bad Muslim's goes from visible, to slightly visible to invisible.

If Muslim and Arab groups in this country want to be set apart from their terroist bretheren they need to make a stand. Right now after the murder of so many more innocents their silence is that more deafening.
 
The L.A. Times yesterday ran a follow-up story to the Russia attacks where they managed to find 2 Muslims speaking out. A high ranking cleric in Egypt and the editor of some paper in England (al arabyia or something). There were also a few muslim laypeople quoted in the articles condeming the attacks.

2 Muslims in the world is all the apologetic, peace-nik LA Times could find?

That's a problem. I am of the camp of not all Islam is bad but I haven't fought them. Every person I've talked to who has returned from Iraq returns with a disdain for them. I realize that is part of the Army's psychological pressures but this is an Army trying to convince our soldiers to HELP these people, not kill them.

Like PAD I'd just love to hear some clerics in the US stand up and condemn this crap without saying "but our Palestinean/Chechyn brothers are suffering far worse!"
 
[quote name='David85']What I am saying is that the terrorists are not really Muslims even through they call themselves that, and all of you think that Islam itself is the problem when it's really the people bastardizing it.[/quote]

And I am telling you that it doesn't matter to the terrorists whom you claim are bastardizing it.

Will it make any difference after they decapitate you that their version of Islam isn't the predominate one?

You certainly have shown an ability in other threads to lump all Christians together as intolerant bigots. Amazing how careful you are with Islam.

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I volunteer Quackzilla to go tell the next group of terrorists in America how senisitve he is and how he respects their religion in an attempt to difuse future hostage situations. If anyone has already lost their head that deserves to lose it literally.... it's him.
 
Speaking spontaneously, without the aid of advisers or speechwriters, put a word on the new American purpose that both shaped it and gave it meaning. "This crusade," he said, "this war on terrorism."

Crusade. I remember a momentary feeling of vertigo at the President's use of that word, the outrageous ineptitude of it. The vertigo lifted, and what I felt then was fear, sensing not ineptitude but exactitude. My thoughts went to the elusive Osama bin Laden, how pleased he must have been, Bush already reading from his script. I am a Roman Catholic with a feeling for history, and strong regrets, therefore, over what went wrong in my own tradition once the Crusades were launched. Contrary to schoolboy romances, Hollywood fantasies and the nostalgia of royalty, the Crusades were a set of world-historic crimes. I hear the word with a third ear, alert to its dangers, and I see through its legends to its warnings. For example, in Iraq "insurgents" have lately shocked the world by decapitating hostages, turning the most taboo of acts into a military tactic. But a thousand years ago, Latin crusaders used the severed heads of Muslim fighters as missiles, catapulting them over the fortified walls of cities under siege. Taboos fall in total war, whether crusade or jihad.

In the name of Jesus, and certain of God's blessing, crusaders launched what might be called "shock and awe" attacks everywhere they went. In Jerusalem they savagely slaughtered Muslims and Jews alike--practically the whole city. Eventually, Latin crusaders would turn on Eastern Christians, and then on Christian heretics, as blood lust outran the initial "holy" impulse. That trail of violence scars the earth and human memory even to this day--especially in the places where the crusaders wreaked their havoc. And the mental map of the Crusades, with Jerusalem at the center of the earth, still defines world politics. But the main point, in relation to Bush's instinctive response to 9/11, is that those religious invasions and wars of long ago established a cohesive Western identity precisely in opposition to Islam, an opposition that survives to this day.


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