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Mr. Las Vegas

Member Since 25 Apr 2004
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In Topic: Xbox One - General Discussion Thread

18 July 2013 - 12:53 AM

As I said, it's not something I necessarily like.  Game's should work day one with no updates or not go out.


Just not something I'd get bent out of shape about since I'll never live somewhere without broadband and my internet has never been out for more than a few hours at any of the places I've lived over the past 5+ years.  Live in dense areas in big cities and shit gets fixed quick as thousands of customers are effected even if it's a problem only affecting a few blocks.  My building has 300 some units in it itself, and there are several other 20-30 story condos on the surrounding blocks so phone, power, internet problems get fixed very quickly here.  And are pretty rare as the bulk of utility lines are underground.


What I am leery about with the Day 1 required patch is that I know at one point I may have to remove the game from the HD to make room for another game, and if I eventually come back to it at a later date and time, the content or servers themselves may no longer be accessible if the game or console is no longer supported.  


The other potential issue I see is a release day debacle like that with SimCity where the servers get bogged down and it is near impossible to download the content.  Either way I just don't see this as being a win situation for the consumer.


Now if it was just extra DLC that was not necessarily required to play FORZA I would have no issue with it.  Many Collector Editions of games come with DLC anyways so its no big deal.  We already have that in place.  I just hope this is the exception and not the norm for XBone releases. 

In Topic: Xbox One - General Discussion Thread

17 July 2013 - 11:25 PM

Here is a video that was posted in the other thread.  I am curious as to whether the FORZA footage is actual gameplay:



In Topic: Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

17 July 2013 - 06:08 PM

Simply because it add's content it's now not a patch? Is that how console's work? Because it's not how PC's work....


A vast majority of PC games require "Day 1" patches. It's pretty normal, and nothing at all to get worked up about. Some even offer you free content as well with these patches. (Off the top of my head, Sega did it for several PC games, as well as others)


I guess if it's a big deal to you guys that's fine of course. Those forums who seem excited about Forza are not making a big deal out of it however, so I do not see any issue with the actual installed base who will be buying Forza.


Careful now, you're going further down that slippery slope to becoming like WV Matsui and Timbo by making generalizations and assumptions and then implying that I am not part of those actually wanting to buy the game, and therefore shouldn't have anything to say about it.


First, you obviously didn't read my multiple posts from last week commenting how I was excited for FORZA 5 and even posed a few questions about the footage WV Matsui posted - actual gameplay or video.  Of course no one responded and I even made mention of that.  So I am part of the "actual installed base"  (For the record I have FORZA 1, 2, 3 and Horizon)


Second, you don't have to be part of the installed base to have an issue with this because if they are going to do this for a release title, they will most likely do it on other titles as well, 1st and 3rd party.  They are basically sneaking back in the 24-Hour DRM but crafting it as something else.

In Topic: Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

17 July 2013 - 05:53 PM

What? You are literally making crap up as you go.... LOL.
The article clearly states it's a patch. Primarily for Drivatars. The intent being that they can keep "training" them up until the very moment the system actually launches, for those that do not wish to be online. Keep in mind, you have to update the system when you buy it.. therefor you still must have a online connection to begin with. (You remember that right? That should be your primary concern if you really are upset about it, since the system itself must connect when you buy it :P)
//Edit// They should just call it always online tbh.. he's basically saying it as well at the end of the article:
"“All of the cloud and online features make the game far, far better,” Greenawalt summed up. “In fact I’d even say revolutionary. The things we’re doing with opponents and Drivatar are not something that anyone can envision unless you’ve played it. But we’re trying to get as much of that into the unconnected, offline mode as well."[/size]

Ashane, now you're starting to sound like an apologist.  It doesn't say "patch" anywhere in the article or the quote.

Witness Forza 5, which even when you buy it on disc, needs to download more of the game online the first time you fire it up.


So when you first boot up the game, we’re going to ask you to log in. And when you log in you’re going to get the Drivatars and you’re also going to get a whole bunch of content: tracks and cars. Our production schedule is such that we are putting them in as late as possible and that means making them free as downloadable content on Day One.

In Topic: Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

17 July 2013 - 05:46 PM

I really don't know how this is a bad thing. They are going to continue development for much longer and hopefully produce a much better launch game. Everyone gets pissed when a game gets released with a ton of bugs and we have to wait for a patch. This may cure that. Developer will have much longer to work on games and this may help with delays etc.

I'm all for it. Some may hate it. But I can tell you I have made plenty of decisions that are work related where we had to say do we continue to do things for people who don't have high speed Internet or do we finally break away from that small percentage and say here is the full experience and if you want that you will need to get high speed Internet. The percentage is so small the benefits to the company and then overall consumer outweigh the folks that will get pissed by you shifting to this policy

Can't wait to see the heat I take from this one. Get out your pitchforks and torches.


You're for everything Microsoft does, so this comes as no surprise.  


These are not patches.  These are required downloads that must be made before you can even play the damn game.


What this means is that either DRM is being re-implemented or they are selling incomplete games.  Either way this is not good for consumers no matter how you want to color it.