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Mr. Las Vegas

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#10915279 Xbox One - General Discussion Thread

Posted by Mr. Las Vegas on 17 July 2013 - 08:47 PM

Thought I start a new topic since the old one got locked.

 

I've got a XBone Day One Edition pre-ordered, and will probably keep it provided I can afford it by then, which all depends upon when the PS4 is going to be released as well.

 

I am not looking forward to Kinect 2.0 as being part of the system as I try to avoid motion controls as much as possible.  I'm just one whom prefers regular gaming, even though I do have a Wii and WiiU, mostly for Nintendo releases.  I just hope motion control is not forced into games, but rather optional.

 

I was really looking forward to FORZA 5, but yesterday's news on Kotaku that not all of the content is on the disc and you must download content by signing in first makes me a bit leery after the DRM fiasco.  not sure if this Turn 10 not being able to get out thee complete content on disc or some way of bringing back the online requirement but in a different form.  Either way it does not sound good.

 

I was also looking into getting Ryse and Dead Rising 3 at launch.  Ryse looks like my type of game.  Always loved those gladiator type games - Shadow of Rome, Colosseum, Spartan Total Warrior and Gladius.

 

I  don't play online much so I don't know if Titanfall would be for me.

 

Most of the other games are mostly multi-platform releases which I can hold out for.

 

What games are you looking forward to at launch?




#10914829 Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

Posted by Mr. Las Vegas on 17 July 2013 - 06:08 PM

Simply because it add's content it's now not a patch? Is that how console's work? Because it's not how PC's work....

 

A vast majority of PC games require "Day 1" patches. It's pretty normal, and nothing at all to get worked up about. Some even offer you free content as well with these patches. (Off the top of my head, Sega did it for several PC games, as well as others)

 

I guess if it's a big deal to you guys that's fine of course. Those forums who seem excited about Forza are not making a big deal out of it however, so I do not see any issue with the actual installed base who will be buying Forza.

 

Careful now, you're going further down that slippery slope to becoming like WV Matsui and Timbo by making generalizations and assumptions and then implying that I am not part of those actually wanting to buy the game, and therefore shouldn't have anything to say about it.

 

First, you obviously didn't read my multiple posts from last week commenting how I was excited for FORZA 5 and even posed a few questions about the footage WV Matsui posted - actual gameplay or video.  Of course no one responded and I even made mention of that.  So I am part of the "actual installed base"  (For the record I have FORZA 1, 2, 3 and Horizon)

 

Second, you don't have to be part of the installed base to have an issue with this because if they are going to do this for a release title, they will most likely do it on other titles as well, 1st and 3rd party.  They are basically sneaking back in the 24-Hour DRM but crafting it as something else.




#10914780 Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

Posted by Mr. Las Vegas on 17 July 2013 - 05:53 PM

What? You are literally making crap up as you go.... LOL.
 
The article clearly states it's a patch. Primarily for Drivatars. The intent being that they can keep "training" them up until the very moment the system actually launches, for those that do not wish to be online. Keep in mind, you have to update the system when you buy it.. therefor you still must have a online connection to begin with. (You remember that right? That should be your primary concern if you really are upset about it, since the system itself must connect when you buy it :P)
 
//Edit// They should just call it always online tbh.. he's basically saying it as well at the end of the article:
 
"“All of the cloud and online features make the game far, far better,” Greenawalt summed up. “In fact I’d even say revolutionary. The things we’re doing with opponents and Drivatar are not something that anyone can envision unless you’ve played it. But we’re trying to get as much of that into the unconnected, offline mode as well."[/size]

 
Ashane, now you're starting to sound like an apologist.  It doesn't say "patch" anywhere in the article or the quote.
 

Witness Forza 5, which even when you buy it on disc, needs to download more of the game online the first time you fire it up.

 

So when you first boot up the game, we’re going to ask you to log in. And when you log in you’re going to get the Drivatars and you’re also going to get a whole bunch of content: tracks and cars. Our production schedule is such that we are putting them in as late as possible and that means making them free as downloadable content on Day One.




#10914759 Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

Posted by Mr. Las Vegas on 17 July 2013 - 05:46 PM

I really don't know how this is a bad thing. They are going to continue development for much longer and hopefully produce a much better launch game. Everyone gets pissed when a game gets released with a ton of bugs and we have to wait for a patch. This may cure that. Developer will have much longer to work on games and this may help with delays etc.

I'm all for it. Some may hate it. But I can tell you I have made plenty of decisions that are work related where we had to say do we continue to do things for people who don't have high speed Internet or do we finally break away from that small percentage and say here is the full experience and if you want that you will need to get high speed Internet. The percentage is so small the benefits to the company and then overall consumer outweigh the folks that will get pissed by you shifting to this policy

Can't wait to see the heat I take from this one. Get out your pitchforks and torches.

 

You're for everything Microsoft does, so this comes as no surprise.  

 

These are not patches.  These are required downloads that must be made before you can even play the damn game.

 

What this means is that either DRM is being re-implemented or they are selling incomplete games.  Either way this is not good for consumers no matter how you want to color it.




#10914730 Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

Posted by Mr. Las Vegas on 17 July 2013 - 05:39 PM

Don't know if this is posted here but http://kotaku.com/fo...-disc-807808829

 

I mean nothing against the One, but what is the point of a disc then. I mean with Steam when you buy a game on Disc, you get the full game ready to install. Sure there might be updates but it's still a full copy. This is just crazy. Plus some people don't have the download speed to support it sadly.

 

Not just that, but this now takes us back to people's original concerns with the always-on requirement and the Microsoft servers being turned off after the nextgen is over.  What happens when you uninstall FORZA 5 from the XBone to make space for other games, but then later down the road you want to play the game again but can't because the servers are now shut down when you have to "re-install" the game.

 

Sheez Microsoft.  Why do you have to keep fucking things up.  Keep It Simple Stupid.




#10902946 Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

Posted by Mr. Las Vegas on 13 July 2013 - 11:35 AM

Honestly, everyone should be paying attention to which console would have the better value for them instead of flying off the handle like most of you are doing.  Right now the main reason a lot of people are shifting over to the PS4 is because of the Kinect 2.0.  Its an extra piece of hardware that can break and considering the thing is required for the console to even operate you could be without a console for weeks depending on how long repairs would take.  If Microsoft would pull their heads out of their butts and realize that the hardware being mandatory won't increase quality of gimmicky gameplay and just remove the thing from the console package then it would even out everything in the console market.

 

 

The funny thing is, I mentioned the same thing pages ago, and as RiPPn mentioned, you make an intelligent post with no bias and it goes ignored.  I also stated that I am buying an XBone now and discussed what games I am interested in.  I also talked about the video WV Matsui posted with the FORZA 5 gameplay in it.  However, no one replied.  It's like the two of them would rather deflect the conversation to talk about Sony than rather actually talk about the XBone itself.

 

Nobody really seems to care about the PS4 here except you (WV Matsui) and Timbo.  Your failed logic is that if someone says something critical of the XBone they must be Sony fanboys.

 

I have all 3 current generation consoles, and already have the WiiU, and will eventually get both the PS4 and the XBone, but that does not mean I don't have something to say about either one.  It's not like they are holy grails that can't be touched and their developers can do no wrong.  I think what caused the most outrage here is that people did not like what they were doing with the Xbox they've come to know and love, and not Sony fanboys ripping on it for that sake alone.

 

You can paint it all as Microsoft wanting to take us in a new direction, but not only did they fail to get that message across to its user base but some things just didn't add up, e.g. Major Nelson claiming you couldn't just reverse the 24 hour always on requirement and then they did just that, albeit with a firmware update.

 

I am glad with the majority of the changes they have made, however, I still can't figure out why they could not have kept the family plan going as to digital releases, and I still like to see the ability to disconnect the Kinect altogether.  If you can already turn it off, why even have it required to be connected?  Ok, I understand Microsoft wants us to have it to make extra money ($100) and so developers will incorporate it into games (hopefully as an option and not a requirement) but just don't force us to use it.

 

Other than that, that game video you posted the other day looks great.  I am hoping that FORZA 6 video footage was actual gameplay as that looked amazing.  Ryse looked good as well.  I am not yet sold on Dead Rising 3, but have it in my Cart, along with Ryse and Forza, saved for later.  Those are the three titles I would buy at or near release.




#10901059 Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

Posted by Mr. Las Vegas on 12 July 2013 - 07:59 PM

Of you really want to see some PS4 butt love check out this thread - http://m.neogaf.com/...t=621281&page=1

I have never seen so many people so in love with a product before they have even touched it yet...

Give me credit even I am not that bad. That guy basically outlined the things that he didn't like and everyone hates him for it.

PS4 can't do wrong apparently. No matter who says so. Even Apple hype isn't that bad!

 

Nobody really seems to care about the PS4 here except you and Timbo.  Your failed logic is that if someone says something critical of the XBone they must be Sony fanboys.

 

I have all 3 current generation consoles, and already have the WiiU, and will eventually get both the PS4 and the XBone, but that does not mean I don't have something to say about either one.  It's not like they are holy grails that can't be touched and their developers can do no wrong.  I think what caused the most outrage here is that people did not like what they were doing with the Xbox they've come to know and love, and not Sony fanboys ripping on it for that sake alone.

 

You can paint it all as Microsoft wanting to take us in a new direction, but not only did they fail to get that message across to its user base but some things just didn't add up, e.g. Major Nelson claiming you couldn't just reverse the 24 hour always on requirement and then they did just that, albeit with a firmware update.

 

I am glad with the majority of the changes they have made, however, I still can't figure out why they could not have kept the family plan going as to digital releases, and I still like to see the ability to disconnect the Kinect altogether.  If you can already turn it off, why even have it required to be connected?  Ok, I understand Microsoft wants us to have it to make extra money ($100) and so developers will incorporate it into games (hopefully as an option and not a requirement) but just don't force us to use it.

 

Other than that, that game video you posted the other day looks great.  I am hoping that FORZA 6 video footage was actual gameplay as that looked amazing.  Ryse looked good as well.  I am not yet sold on Dead Rising 3, but have it in my Cart, along with Ryse and Forza, saved for later.  Those are the three titles I would buy at or near release.




#10894072 Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

Posted by Mr. Las Vegas on 10 July 2013 - 07:06 PM

Cut the rest since it seems we've come to sort of a conclusion on those two points ;P

 

I freely admit I was heavily leaning toward MS more then Sony, pre DRM. Simply because I felt it was going in a direction that I had been in before, that was extremely good to me and other PC users, and we had a alternative if Microsoft could not deliver. If you go back, I even ask repeatedly what was wrong with the choice of having both consoles.. one DRM/Internet heavy, one not. The entire thing boiled down to well, if Microsoft succeeds then I cant rent/sell used games on craig's list anymore. Completely ignoring that if Microsoft succeeded, it would have been because of cheap digital game sales. (I think we can agree that's the only way Microsoft could have succeeded right?   :D)

 

Now, it's back to just being whatever.. another two consoles that are 1/3rd the power of my PC. Though I still applaud Microsoft for the direction they attempted to take, balls of steel sir, balls of steel!   ;)

 

 

But, for many of us who already have a top of the line PC with Steam games, we already have a XBone as initially envisioned by Microsoft, and we didn't want another one.  This is no different than complaining that the PS4 and the XBone in its new state are too much alike.  

 

The main problem with making a console too much like a PC is that it isn't a PC.  Why have a XBone in its initial incantation when I can have a PC that is upgradeable, will play older games, and already do all those things that Microsoft wanted to do with the XBone?

 

The only difference was location, and as they say in the real estate business, location is everything.  The location in this case was the family/entertainment room, and that is what Microsoft was trying to own.  Microsoft was pretty straight-forward with this.  The problem is that they did it half-assed and then dropped the ball.  If Microsoft would have included a DVR in the XBone, then they would have turned more than a few heads.  Yes a DVR is not part of a gaming console, but Microsoft made it clear that the XBone was going to be just more than that.  If a DVR had been included users could drop their cable DVR, and the monthly charges that they would be saving alone would justify $500 or even more.  It would also justify the always connected to the internet, at least in that function as a DVR.  Cloud service would be more believable and acceptable if you could store your TV recordings in it like you can with iTunes and Amazon.  Tangible things like that are more beneficial to the consumer than promises such as "games will run better on the cloud."

 

Instead of something beneficial and tangible we were told by Microsoft to "trust us and our vision" when there was really no defined benefit to us entrusting Microsoft to make that vision come true.  We were being told to accept DRM that was already unacceptable (Uplay; SimCity) and known to fail.  We were being told to accept not having the ability to sell used games to anyone, at anytime and for any price we deemed acceptable.  What we got in exchange was nothing more than vague and ill-defined promises of a family sharing plan that sounded too good to be true, a forced upon motion control device that should have been optional, or at least have the option to be turned off and/or disconnected, and no assurances whatsoever that digital releases would mean lower prices.




#10893945 Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

Posted by Mr. Las Vegas on 10 July 2013 - 06:27 PM

Absolutely no one gave Microsoft that chance to see if they could pull it off, just like no one gave Steam that chance either. It's all guess work at this point, but I was, and still am, disappointed by gamers lack of patience to see what develops. If Microsoft flopped on their face, that was fine.. we had the PS4. If they did not, it would have been absolutely huge for gamers in general because Sony would have had to follow suit.

 

"Absolutely no one gave Microsoft that chance to see if they could pull it off,..."

 

Including Microsoft itself.  If anything you should be mad at Microsoft for not believing in their vision strongly enough to carry it through to fruition.

 

"I was, and still am, disappointed by gamers lack of patience to see what develops."

 

This is the problem I've had all along with how the XBone reveal went.  There were some people who didn't like the 24 hour requirement, DRM, digital releases, etc., and there were some people, like yourself, who did.  The latter group told the former group that if they didn't like the direction Microsoft was going with the XBone, then they shouldn't buy it  as there was an alternative for them - the PS4.  The former group did just that, and Microsoft backpedaled as a result.

 

So there should be no reason for you to be taking this out against the former group who did exactly what the latter group told them to do.  The problem is it backfired and as a result Microsoft listened to the group who "voted with their wallets" rather than the group with which you agreed.




#10893693 Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

Posted by Mr. Las Vegas on 10 July 2013 - 05:12 PM

Then the PS3 should have blown away the 360 which it clearly did not do.

I get so much shit for being excited for the X1 in the X1 - Xbox 360 forum yet you guys are in here. I don't understand it? I have gone over and posted a few articles in the other forum but I don't watch over it like a hawk like you guys do to fight every single thing.

The X1 or as you awesome people call it the XBone has been talked about plenty over there as well but I didn't jump in there to defend. So why not go over there and let us discuss the X1. If you are not getting one why do you even care what MS does? I don't get the point.

Leave Timbo Ashane myself and others alone and go enjoy the PS4 circle jerk.

Enjoy all over your amazing exclusives and your awesome indies and your lightbar that will add the awesome ambiance to your room and I will enjoy my X1 with my Kinect and entertainment features behind my paywall that I don't care about.

I really don't see the need for this fight to continue in this thread. I have said numerous times folks will buy whatever they think they will enjoy the best and what's the point of fighting about it?

Does it anger you that I like the X1 Don't mind the $500 price point and the Kinect? So much that you need to fight and discredit me? What's the point? The Departed is my favorite movie does that anger you to? I drive a foreign car...still pissed? I just bought a diet coke are you a Pepsi person and that just pissed you off?

What's the point? And why does it matter what I buy or value for the money that I make?

Don't really understand what the point is that if you buy an X1 you are an idiot and hate gamers and gaming and if you buy a PS4 you are "cool" and are supporting gamers and everything that is right with the industry.

You don't think Sony wants to make money off of you just as bad as MS?

And what's it matter what I do for a living. There is no way that is ever getting disclosed in an open forum.

 

No one is giving you shit for liking the XBone (sorry, the X1 is a Comcast/Xfinity device), and no one cares that you like it.  The only stuff I've seen is that one or two posts jokingly state you have a boner for the XBone or you must be a Microsoft employee/shill/apologist since it seems the XBone can do no wrong with you.  The problem is that you seem to take any criticism of the XBone as a personal attack on you because you like it so much.  It's like you have to justify your liking of the XBone when we are critical of it.  You don't have to justify your liking of the XBone every time someone posts something negative about it.  Also, there is no need to bring up the PS3 or PS4 every time something critical is posted about the XBone.  The only reason I brought up those exclusives is because you go and make a stupid statement like that Killzone one.  It's usually only when you, Ashane or Timbo bring up Sony, the PS3 or PS4 that anyone posts something about Sony/PS3/PS4.  It's not like we're posting "Hey the PS4 is going to be so much better than the XBone", etc.

 

You have taken this so far personally that you automatically assume that anyone who has criticizes the XBone must be a Sony fanboy.  As many of us have said, we are all gamers and most of us have both a 360 and PS3, myself included, and some us even plan on buying an XBone as the decision to buy one console at launch does not mean we will not be buying the other.  That doesn't mean we can't be critical of Micorsoft and their policy decisions as to where they are going with the XBone.  many of us are fervent Xbox gamers and don't like some of the things like the Kinect 2.0 and are just voicing our displeasure to being asked to pay an extra $100 for something we don't want and will never use.  That doesn't mean we will never buy an XBone.

 

The point of this all is that we are all passionate gamers, many of us for decades (myself included at age 44) and we wouldn't be here otherwise.  So cut out with the assumptions that we're adolescents and accusations of fanboyism, and stop taking this so personally.   There's no reason we can't have a healthy discussion of the XBone, even if it's not all roses.




#10893462 Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

Posted by Mr. Las Vegas on 10 July 2013 - 03:40 PM

Name a R&C game that was made this gen?

We all saw how awesome the AI is going to be in GT6 :lol:

Resistance was one of the weakest Sony exclusive I played.

I didn't like Infamous at all but that's me.

God of War was great...on the PS2.

Uncharted was terrible 2 was great and 3 was so rushed it barely lived up to 1.

And I think you know by reading my posts that LBP is not something I'm into even though I tried it.

Halo
Gears 1-3 (Judgement was bad)
Fable
Forza
Alan Wake
Kinect Sports
Crackdown
Left 4 Dead
Minecraft (even though I didn't play it)
State of Decay

Just to name a few

I don't really know why this is even a battle. Folks are going to buy the console that has the games they like the best. If your theory of the better exclusives were true then the PS3 would have crushed the X360 and we all know that didn't happen. So I don't know why everyone fights with the list of exclusives when PS3 certainly didn't win this generation with their lineup.

 

Your first statement alone discredits your post.  To make that statement out of pure ignorance or stupidity is very revealing.  As already posted, there have been at least 5 R&C releases on the PS3.  

 

Also, opinions aside you cannot dispute that those series are big sellers as exclusives.  I am not going to nitpick each release as that is nonsensical as each series has its own dog (Halo ODST for example).

 

Alan Wake and Left for Dead are not exclusives as they are available on the PC.  If anything, I should not have included Fable either for that very same reason.  Moreover, Alan Wake is not a franchise release.  That would be the equivalent of saying Heavy Rain is an exclusive franchise release.  I included Halo and Gears despite PC releases as those series are both dead on the PC.

 

Minecraft is not an exclusive either.  

 

Crackdown is dead in its current state unless it can be revived, but if you want to include that, then add SOCOM to the list for the PS3.

 

i didn't include XBL/PSN games.  Besides State of Decay is not a series, at least not yet.  But if you want to include that, then add the PixelJunk series to the list for the PS3.

 

Don't give me Kinect sports as an exclusive franchise, please.  If anything, I left out MotorStorm for the PS3.  And notice I left out all the niche titles like Disgaea, Atelier, Ar Tonelico, etc.

 

The bottom line is that the PS3 has/had the 360 beat at quality exclusive franchise releases at about 2 games to 1.




#10893291 Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

Posted by Mr. Las Vegas on 10 July 2013 - 02:22 PM

Exactly and I honestly don't know how anyone can be excited about another Killzone game when the last one was nothing to write home about.

 

I like how you cherry pick one title - Killzone - and  leave out the heavy hitters such as:

 

Uncharted

God of War

Resistance

Ratchet & Clank

Little Big Planet

Infamous

Gran Turismo

 

Outside of FORZA, Fable, Halo and Gears, there are no other good exclusive franchises on the 360.  I think Sony has the upper hand for exclusives.




#10889997 Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

Posted by Mr. Las Vegas on 09 July 2013 - 03:48 AM

how is people being forced to use the thing? all it has to do is be plugged into the system what if the thing was built into the box it self. you can still use the xbox one controller to do everything just like xbox 360. Yes im not a fan of the extra price for the thing but what to say xbox one would not still be 500 without the kinect. 

 

Umm, I don't know, maybe because you can't disconnect it?  

 

Even if you are not using it for controls in a game, you are being forced to use it because it has be connected to the console.  It's like requiring that you buy 4 controllers (3 of which you may never use) with a console and requiring that you have all 4 plugged in order to use the console.

 

And who cares about the PS4.  Stop obsessing and get over it already.  It's like you and WV Matsui have to counter any criticism of the XBone by turning to the PS4 and some perceived flaw in it, rather than address the issues as to the XBone.




#10858675 Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

Posted by Mr. Las Vegas on 26 June 2013 - 12:57 AM

Actually, it's THE biggest anti-used game argument.  Game developers have said many, many times that they don't care about consumers privately selling their own property.  They also don't care if a consumer walks into a game shop and buys a used copy of a 6 to 12 month old game for $15.  They just do not care for Gamestop aggressively pushing used copies over new in the initial time of a game's release.  Video games is the only industry that has this environment.

But they were going to be fine with 1 person being able to immediately share a new purchase with 10 other users.  Right.  

 

The fatal flaw with your/their argument is that it assumes that "but for" the used alternative not being present, the consumer would still buy that game new at the higher price.  

 

Now in certain instances, that may be the case such as when a customer walks up with a new game and the Gamestop CSR informs them they have it used for less money and the customer actually buys it.  However, I am going to guess that is not the majority of cases wherein a used game point of sale is made. I believe most used games are purchased used because (1) there is a big difference between new and used prices, (2) the game is no longer in stock or as a new item, or (3) the game is HTF. 


I also think it's funny when "studies" (mostly funded by Gamestop) say that games are traded in to fund new game purchases.  What a crock!  I was burning time before a movie at a mall Gamestop yesterday and the first thing that popped into my mind was, "Where ARE the new games?"  I couldn't find one anywhere in the entire gigantic store.  Finally I found a small area that had the VERY newest releases, maybe 5 or 6 different games.  The entire rest of the wall was used.

 

This unscientific observation of yours fails to account for the fact that we are at the end of an 8 year life span of this generation's consoles.  Wii titles are no longer being released.  For the other two consoles, new releases and in stock items are dwindling and used stock has been accumulating.  At any Brick & Mortar Store, you can no longer find new stock of many titles and your only alternative is to buy the game used.  Most retailers are not going to invest in new stock of existing titles, save for the Marios, Halos, God of Wars, etc, along with the new titles like Last of Us when a new generation is just around the corner.




#10844380 Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

Posted by Mr. Las Vegas on 19 June 2013 - 09:52 PM

 

Makes me wonder whose head(s) at Microsoft rolled over this fiasco.

 

All I can say is thank you Sony for saving the console game industry.

 

Your bullshit is starting to get annoying Rippn. Like, seriously.

 

Saving the console industry? You mean keeping it in the 90's?

 

Like they were discussing on Reddit, we'll have Starship's out in outer space, but you better keep my damn disc based console or else!

 

But in the future the ability of replicators to copy all forms of media will drive all of the developers and publishers out of business so there will be no games to play on the Xbox 9000.  Also, will there be internet in outer space?  We need to know this so we can determine if our XBOX 9000 can access our games stored in the Xbox Nebula.