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Pheran

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In Topic: XBL Deals - DwG: AC: Odyssey, A Plague Tale, Puyo Puyo Champions, more | Sq...

09 July 2020 - 09:32 PM

Any Xbox Game Pass Ultimate cards cheap anywhere 

CD Keys has 3-month Game Pass for $20.29 which will turn into 2-month GPU (or better if you can trigger the auto-renew bonus).  That's about $10/month GPU which is decent.

 

https://www.cdkeys.c...e-pass-xbox-one


In Topic: XBL Deals - DwG: AC: Odyssey, A Plague Tale, Puyo Puyo Champions, more | Sq...

09 July 2020 - 09:25 PM

The slim model uses about 50% less power (180w vs 90w) which probably contributed to fixing the heat issues, but otherwise yes, it was pretty functionally the same.

The 360 was a great example of process node shrinks because it went through multiple revisions shrinking different parts.

 

Xenon (Launch model) - 90nm CPU and GPU (massive RROD issues)

Falcon - 65nm CPU and 80nm GPU

Jasper - 65nm CPU and GPU

Trinity (360 Slim) - 45nm combined CPU/GPU

 

I skipped a few for brevity, and there were more revisions after this (e.g. Xbox 360E), but they never went smaller than 45nm on the 360.

 

They also added HDR support and a bit more power (terraflops).  And got rid of the external power supply.  Also 4K BluRay drive which I actually used sometimes.

She was talking about the 360, not the XB1.


In Topic: XBL Deals - DwG: AC: Odyssey, A Plague Tale, Puyo Puyo Champions, more | Sq...

09 July 2020 - 04:16 PM

Yes. Part of hardware revisions has to do with manufacturing becoming cheaper as parts are produced in greater volume, as well as improving efficiency or power load, and giving a marketing boost for late adopters, people who want to upgrade, or to add incremental features (such as HDR or 4k streaming this gen). Just imagine if they were still selling the VCR model in 2020 - yikes.

 

Nintendo does it the most (3DS, 3DS XL, N3DS, N3DS XL, 2DS, 2DSXL...), but the original Xbox is the only (successful) console, handheld or otherwise,  which never saw a slim redesign, and they entered that generation pretty late anyway. Even the Vita had a slim edition.

While I don't doubt there will be some revisions, there's a big issue with expecting future "slim" models of the next console generation.  Historically, these types of revisions have always relied on new process nodes for the chips - in other words, shrinking the size of the transistors.  Shrinking the transistors saves power and makes the chips easier to manufacture by reducing die sizes.  For example, the original VCR Xbox One used a 28nm CPU whereas the X1S/X1X use 16nm CPUs.  You often hear about "Moore's Law" - transistors doubling every 2 years.  These shrinks are responsible for Moore's Law.

 

Unfortunately, in the past few years, the shrinks have become more and more difficult, and Moore's Law is failing, or at least slowing down.  Both of the next-gen launch consoles will use 7nm CPUs.  There is work being done on a 5nm process, but things are getting so small that they literally have to worry about quantum effects in the transistors.  At a minimum, we are looking at longer time frames between the availability of new processes, and higher costs to get there.  In the worst case, die shrinks might stop entirely within 5 years.  So the improved console revisions we've always relied on in the past may be fewer and far between.


In Topic: XBL Deals - DwG: AC: Odyssey, A Plague Tale, Puyo Puyo Champions, more | Sq...

08 July 2020 - 11:13 PM

Oh I have a lot of that in mind. It could be be a great option for Xbox people if all those different stats floated around on twitter rumors for months are true, than sure Lockhart sounds like a better console than the Xbox One series. I still don't understand how you get that at $200 or even $300, and it's not going to be better than the PS5 optical or digital so don't see how it moves the masses. The Masses are on PS4. 

I don't see Lockhart at $200 either, but $300 may be within the realm of possibility.


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08 July 2020 - 11:12 PM

I've been saying this too, it's Microsoft's Ace in the hole.  It is was PS+ was for Sony coming into this generation.

I think it would be a genius move on MS' part to include 3 months of GPU with every console, but we'll see what they decide to bundle.