Rodster

Okay well most of the games weren't 4K so it's not a true 4K machine.

You can still transfer games from external to internal so that's something. Value wise, it's even better than last gen. I have already gone over that. You keep bringing up an inconvenient storage issue that most people are not affected by. Many have been deleting and redownloading games for years now and are okay with it.

Ok, so we've gone from the PS4 Pro can't do native 4K to it's not a true 4K machine. At least you are making progress and i'd wager that we would see a shitload more native 4K games if the developers had not moved on to the PS5. Because it's up to them to make it happen.

As to your point regarding inconvenient storage, let me remind you that an SSD has a limited amount of writes before it fails. Moving over GB's in the 20-50 GB range will decrease the life of that internal SSD. So that's why people need to consider the 1TB expansion from Seagate for $200.

PS4 Pro cannot do true 4K. It upscales the image. It also does not have a 4K player. PS5 is true 4K like One X and Series X. I agree that both PS4 Pro and One X games already look and play great. The Series X just makes those game look and play(loads much faster) even better. It's not as big a leap as PS3/360 gen to One and PS4(yet anyway) but it's still an amazing value for how much more powerful they are. You don't have to buy that $200 storage. There are cheaper options.

There were a few games that ran native 4K on the PS4 Pro. Wipeout ran at 60FPS and was a true native 4K game on the PS4 Pro. There were several other games that were native 4K games on the Pro but ran at 30FPS.

https://www.eurogame...een-waiting-for

As of right now there are no other alternatives but to pay $200 for an extra 1TB of storage for the X. Perhaps you can get them on sale but that's a lot of money just for an additional TB while paying hundreds for the console. If you want to play a Series X game it MUST be installed on the internal storage of the X or you'll need the Seagate expansion card. That's not good value vs last gen.

HUH?  They are an amazing value. You can't even build a PC with a 4K player as powerful as the PS5 or Series X for under $1000 so both systems are an absolute steal.

You are making a mistake by comparing consoles to PC's. The person you responded to was trying to make the point by comparing the PS5 to the PS4 and the Series X to the Xbox One. The value proposition is not as good as it was last gen. You want to expand the Series X by an additional 1TB? That's $200 more. Whereas you could buy a larger external USB drive for a 1/4 the price and play the games from that drive.

The PS4 Pro and Xbox X can also do 4k. Sure the performance should be better on the newer consoles but the value isn't there especially when the games already looked pretty good on the PS4 Pro and X.

Nope not really. Seen them close at action around 900-1000 disc. Those 1500 buy it now units won’t sell.

There's one seller who's sold several over $1300 and the last one he has listed for $1888. Have a look 

https://offer.ebay.c...=p2047675.l2564

Prices are still too high on Ebay. Most of the digital edition PS5's are going for around a $1000. The disc based PS5's are around $1500.