KingBroly
CAGiversary!
http://news.yahoo.com/marijuana-legalization-victories-could-short-lived-022257328.html
I must chuckle at this news.
I must chuckle at this news.
NIMBY and obstructionism are two concepts that you should've internalized by now when it comes to Obama and those issues. This example proves that there was no pandering unless non-pandering is the "new" pandering. Or maybe everything is pandering to you? Or maybe you can explain to me how same sex marriage(equal treatment under the law) is the same as electing Michael Steele the head of the RNC(we're not racist cause we have a black guy too) or picking Palin(we'll throw in a woman for the milf factor)...cause goddamn, those things couldn't be more different.It's rad to paint me with a Libertarian paintbrush, but the paint won't stick. I believe in banning of alcohol and drugs, believe there should be more regulation in health care to reduce costs of procedures, don't think States should try to pass things that the Federal govt prevents (whether it be immigration laws, drug laws, etc), think it's naive to say shutting down half the goverment organizations is the way to a lean budget. There are TONS of Libertarian positions I disagree with. If I agreed with them, I'd be a Libertarian.
Which Democrats have condemned him for not closing Gitmo Day 1? Or ending the wars he said he would end (and not according to Bush's timeline). Who in the Democratic Party has ripped him for not pushing through single-payer or not making gay marriage legal at the federal level? At least based in the reports I've seen, very few. Again, it might be the idea that they don't want to bust the President's balls for fear of making the election tighter, and maybe they'll start now, but I sure haven't seen much criticism from the far left regarding Obama.
If Nader and Stein are the radical left, how the hell would you label Bernie Sanders? The only spectrum you're using is the Overton Window of the US and it shifts. Seriously, the modern Democratic Party is slightly left of 90's Republicans and still a center-right group on Most issues. So who's going to be the "radical left" when the window shifts more to the left? I know exactly where I stand, but at least I'm pragmatic instead of throwing my hands up.So you're telling me, when I say those who chose Nader over Gore would be considered radical left, that you wouldn't agree? Gore was just a wee bit too conservative for them, so they went further left to support Nader or this year, Stein? Maybe I'm not the one who should reconsider their position on the political spectrum.
You're an ideological mess because your stances conflict with one another, superficial, and it's dogmatic. Your holier-than-thou-because-I-don't-pick-a-letter-ism doesn't change that. Stances are not always goals.I love being called an ideological mess. That's an enormous compliment coming from you, because I pick and choose positions based on what I believe, not what the letter after the guy's name is. I like some of what Dennis Kucinich proposes, I like some of what Ron Paul does. I like some of Obama's positions, I like some of Romney's. I like some of Obamacare, but I think it put a federal band-aid over a tumor, while the cancer continues to grow. It didn't address the source, IMO.
Anyhoo, debate away, call me an idiot, moron, asshole. I got my 2-3 posts in before the personal attacks started so that's a minor win in my book.
NIMBY and obstructionism are two concepts that you should've internalized by now when it comes to Obama and those issues. This example proves that there was no pandering unless non-pandering is the "new" pandering. Or maybe everything is pandering to you? Or maybe you can explain to me how same sex marriage(equal treatment under the law) is the same as electing Michael Steele the head of the RNC(we're not racist cause we have a black guy too) or picking Palin(we'll throw in a woman for the milf factor)...cause goddamn, those things couldn't be more different.
If Nader and Stein are the radical left, how the hell would you label Bernie Sanders? The only spectrum you're using is the Overton Window of the US and it shifts. Seriously, the modern Democratic Party is slightly left of 90's Republicans and still a center-right group on Most issues. So who's going to be the "radical left" when the window shifts more to the left? I know exactly where I stand, but at least I'm pragmatic instead of throwing my hands up.
You're an ideological mess because your stances conflict with one another, superficial, and it's dogmatic. Your holier-than-thou-because-I-don't-pick-a-letter-ism doesn't change that. Stances are not always goals.
So the answer to my qustion: "Which Democrats have condemned him for not closing Gitmo Day 1? Or ending the wars he said he would end (and not according to Bush's timeline). Who in the Democratic Party has ripped him for not pushing through single-payer or not making gay marriage legal at the federal level?
There's no answer because you haven't defined what "pandering" means because you don't know what it means. You like using the word as if it gives what you're saying some gravitas, but you can't even see how it works in the examples I provided.So the answer to my qustion: "Which Democrats have condemned him for not closing Gitmo Day 1? Or ending the wars he said he would end (and not according to Bush's timeline). Who in the Democratic Party has ripped him for not pushing through single-payer or not making gay marriage legal at the federal level? At least based in the reports I've seen, very few. Again, it might be the idea that they don't want to bust the President's balls for fear of making the election tighter, and maybe they'll start now, but I sure haven't seen much criticism from the far left regarding Obama."
is none? Or NIMBY? If they feel those things were blocked by Congress, then they should be screaming about it so it's a national topic that other outraged citizens can demand action on from their Democratic and Republican elected officials. Part of Obama's first election was changing the status quo and the stagnation that was American politics. He got into office, then basically did all the same stuff Bush did with 2-3 exceptions. Shouldn't the Democrats be irate? Like I said...maybe they were biting their tongues til after the election, like Obama wanted to do on gay marriage until Biden forced the issue a few months ago. I fail to see how Richard Steele and his ineptitude which was widely commented on publicly by Republicans is even moderately related. Most people realize Palin was a liability, I mean hell, if they were pandering, they did a piss-poor job of it.
I fail to see how things like increased consumer protection, financial regulation, and increased access to higher education are radical things especially when they're not calling for workers to own the means of production. All I see is you saying that they're radical because they're left of the Democrats and this is the same level of analysis that most people in the US give. Frankly, it's pathetic. If neo-cons are to the right of Republicans, does that make Republicans liberals?I don't even know who Bernie Sanders is (Googled...a Socialist. OK, whatever), nor could I tell you who the leader of the Tea Party is, or if they even have a leader. I know Bachman the Witch is heavily involved, but I don't think I could give you two other names if I had to. They're a cheesedick, radical, fringe group. They're politically irrelevant to me. But to say Nader and Stein aren't far left? Uh...dude, really? You've got to think you're of the minority opinion there, right? Do you really think most Americans view the Green Partly as slightly left? Come on. I can't imagine someone who is bright like you would believe that. It's got to be some attempt at deflecting or being deceitful. I think the current Republican Party is extremist, and has shifted very far away from center. Talk radio is to blame for it, because I don't think, and the past two elections prove this, that the Republican constituency has shifted so radically to the right.
I thank you again for the compliment. I am superior to Democrats and Republicans. It's like I've evolved, while you guys are still circle-jerking and bonking your political warm bodies in the head with a club and dragging them off to a cave.
I fail to see how things like increased consumer protection, financial regulation, and increased access to higher education are radical things especially when they're not calling for workers to own the means of production. All I see is you saying that they're radical because they're left of the Democrats and this is the same level of analysis that most people in the US give. Frankly, it's pathetic. If neo-cons are to the right of Republicans, does that make Republicans liberals?
That's a circular argument and not my point. My point I'm trying to not beat you over the head with is that no one is thinking critically about what makes Democrats "the left" and Republicans "the right." If it's just a matter of perception, then those labels of left and right are meaningless.OK...maybe we can make this more basic. Republicans...typically synonymous with conservative. Democrats, typically synonymous with liberal. If you are to the left of the Democratic party, one could say you're more liberal than the base party. I would suggest the Green Party is more liberal than the Democratic base. If you're to the right of the base of the Republicans, one could say you're more conservative. It works the other way too...so to answer your question, if someone is to the left of the radical right (we can call them neo-cons), then yes, they would be more liberal than the base of the party. I knew you understood it!
All these examples . . . Latinos! We're not going to get the Latino vote by opening the borders and saying, you know what? Let anybody in who wants to come in.