CAGcast #114: Mega Muffins

[quote name='AwRy108']No, but there's probably some decent PSN titles that people haven't taken the time to check out, so the next two weeks would probably be a good time to do so. Oh, and Warhawk is only $30 right now, too.[/quote]

Fair enough.

Having it up for people to look at *is* better than having it shut down entirely, you're right.
 
[quote name='misfit13b']Suggestion:

What you guys need is a searchable database of what you think a CAG SHOULD pay for a game. It could be your official version of a review score. (None of that 8.3 vs. 8.7 B.S. other sites cling to.) Like this week, Wombat gave Dark Sector a $15. Both of you sounded like you'd give COD4 and Vegas 2 $60. Perhaps Wii Fit gets a $60 instead of a $90, etc.

With a system like that, when some retailer has a sale on Dark Sector for $30 in a few weeks, CAGs could look it up in your ratings list, and see that Wombat thought it was worth $15. With that, they'd know to hold out for a little longer and pass on the sale.

It's something you guys seem to mention when talking about games anyways, but making it more of a focus and having it be searchable would really help the cash conscious of us out there make better decisions.

Thanks, love the CAGcast,
m13b[/quote]

That's a really cool idea :D
 
[quote name='h3ro']Wombat, the PS3 version of EchoChrome will have half the levels of the PSP version. The PSP version will be a full version of the game, just like the JPN version. We are getting the same game as the JPN store, just only via Digital Distribution...[/QUOTE]

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/04/03/umd-nied-echochrome-psp-goes-download-only-in-us/

"N'Gai Croal confirms that the game will only be available through the PlayStation Network store, thereby ruling out a retail-bound UMD like that released in Japan.

The PSP version will come with 56 unique levels,

a number roughly in line with the (PSN-only) PlayStation 3 version."
 
Great show.. My idea for an April Fools Joke was funny.. but I bet Cheapy would have shot it down.. Wombat even thought it might be a bit much...

I agree with Wombat about a 20 dollar game.. especially an unproven game.

Cheapy - There is a pizza shop here in Pgh called Vincents on Ardmore and it comes standard with a least a 8 oz cup of grease on every slice. I definitely get hurt when I eat there.. but it's great food..
 
Awesome, Cheapy has the apartment tour in mind...........buuuut, buuuuuut BUUUUUUUT I really want to see Cheapy naked in a bathtub lol.

It made me laugh when Cheapy answered my question, he made the sound "chee" so many times. CHEaters being branded as CHEaters and previous aCHEievements. Cheapy you said the F-word 2 times, what the fuck happened to making it a family show? lol
 
Wombat, I think you're being a bit too judgemental on the Penny Arcade game. Granted, 20 bones is a bit much for an episodic game, but considering that you're getting (what seems to be) a more robust RPG element compared to a simple point-and-click adventure, it might actually be worth the scratch. It all depends on how much gameplay you're gonna get for your money. If you get around 20 hours of gameplay, then 20 bucks ain't that bad. However, if it's under 10 hours, then I'd agree with you whole heartedly. Still, it all depends on the final product and considering that it looks pretty good so far, I think you should hold judgment for now.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']I just pulled a booger out of my nose...[/QUOTE]

Cheapy, the next time you try to give Wombat a hard time for being "unprofessional" during the show, reach around and stick your finger in your butt. We can all relate to your bathroom antics but boogers? Come on man...

:puke:

Otherwise, good show. Glad to see Wombat return to his usual humorous form.

EDIT: Rosetta Stone is overpriced garbage. I tried using the Indonesian version and it sucked ass. Save your money Cheapy.
 
[quote name='Wombat']http://www.joystiq.com/2008/04/03/umd-nied-echochrome-psp-goes-download-only-in-us/

"N'Gai Croal confirms that the game will only be available through the PlayStation Network store, thereby ruling out a retail-bound UMD like that released in Japan.

The PSP version will come with 56 unique levels,

a number roughly in line with the (PSN-only) PlayStation 3 version."[/quote]

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I think Wombat's comments on the Penny Arcade game are spot on. Since when has CheapyD defended ever-increasing costs on XBLA? Seems to me that CheapyD is downplaying the potential precedent a $20 title would set on XBLA.

I agree with other posters in this thread who think limiting the file size should also limit the price of titles on Live. On physical media (despite the recent claims for MGS: 4), there are few limits imposed and the price is usually universal ($60).

I just think it's a bad idea to downplay the importance of the rising costs/crap ratio on XBLA. There are very few good titles that have been released on XBLA in the past few months already.

Why would people want to pay more for a game just because it's on par with what we should expect out of the service?
 
[quote name='shieryda']StealthSoul, your sig is too fucking funny.:applause::rofl:[/quote]
Cheapy is quite the gangster :cool: :lol:
 
I think the Zune hates the CAGcast. Every other week the epidode downloads fine but doesn't play at all, and just freezes up my Zune. I downloaded the show from the first post and it came out as episode 113 for some reason. :cry:
 
[quote name='Blackout542']I think the Zune hates the CAGcast. Every other week the epidode downloads fine but doesn't play at all, and just freezes up my Zune. I downloaded the show from the first post and it came out as episode 113 for some reason. :cry:[/quote]

Nice to know I'm not the only one with this problem. I had it happen to the past 2 CAGcasts, but not this one. Removing it from the Zune and re-adding it always seemed to fix the problem. If this is a CAGcast only problem, we can blame Cheapy for doing something wrong. :p
 
$20 for an episodic Penny Arcade game? I'd buy a $50 CAG game first. Perhaps we can outsource a fighting game with characters such as:

Wombat- With his finger snapping taunt, and milk-sniffing ability to regain power.
Cheapy- With his Tai 'Dirty Diaper' throw, and infamous whale blubber belch throw.
Ship- Powered With glowing red hair, he can belt his enemies with a limitless supply of old Xbox games.
Mrs. Ship- With her kitty metamorphisis- scratch, scratch!

Fight in New York, the CAG Chatroom, Tokyo, UGO HQ, and...Ohio!

and final boss Jimmy Mac, ensuring the game will receive a "M" for Mature Audiences rating. (For obscene language, alcohol, rampant drug use, and explicit descriptions of pornographic situations)

With thorbahn yelling "Cheap, Cheap" ala the MKII, "toasty!" guy.



And to the Canadian CAG who was going to Palm Springs, check out the Yardhouse, a So. Cal chain. They serve beer in 36 inch glasses:

Yardhouse at The River - Rancho Mirage

71 - 800 Highway 111 / Rancho Mirage, CA 92270

( 760 ) 779 - 1415
 
Hey Wombat were able to get anywhere with your Xbox live DRM issues?
I called Msoft yesterday to try and get my system license updated so I can play all my games offline but had no luck. The damn support person told me the only solution was to buy all my xbox live games again. I wanted to reach through the phone and pummel her face. I'm pretty pissed that I don't have access to the games I purchased unless I'm online. Anyways I was wondering if you or Cheapy have had any luck with this issue since you've both been through a couple xbox systems.
 
[quote name='DesertEagleXIX']$20 for an episodic Penny Arcade game? I'd buy a $50 CAG game first. Perhaps we can outsource a fighting game with characters such as:

Wombat- With his finger snapping taunt
Cheapy- With his Tai 'Dirty Diaper' throw, and infamous whale blubber belch throw.
Ship- Powered With glowing red hair, he can belt his enemies with a limitless supply of old Xbox games.
Mrs. Ship- With her kitty metamorphisis- scratch, scratch!

and final boss Jimmy Mac!

With thorbahn yelling "Cheap, Cheap" ala the MKII, "toasty!" guy.[/quote]

Post of the year. :applause:
 
Count me as another Wombat agree-with guy. All Penny-Arcade has is a track record of a sometimes funny comic and being the most touchy "game critics" on the internet. I've never understood their appeal. A Penny-Arcade game makes about as much sense as McDonald's line of clothing. If the same game was being made by anyone else, it would be $10 max.

This episode proves that Cheapy is a fanboy.....of Howard Stern's.
 
[quote name='misfit13b']Suggestion:

What you guys need is a searchable database of what you think a CAG SHOULD pay for a game. It could be your official version of a review score. (None of that 8.3 vs. 8.7 B.S. other sites cling to.) Like this week, Wombat gave Dark Sector a $15. Both of you sounded like you'd give COD4 and Vegas 2 $60. Perhaps Wii Fit gets a $60 instead of a $90, etc.

With a system like that, when some retailer has a sale on Dark Sector for $30 in a few weeks, CAGs could look it up in your ratings list, and see that Wombat thought it was worth $15. With that, they'd know to hold out for a little longer and pass on the sale.

It's something you guys seem to mention when talking about games anyways, but making it more of a focus and having it be searchable would really help the cash conscious of us out there make better decisions.

Thanks, love the CAGcast,
m13b[/QUOTE]


Yes, I agree this is a good idea. Funny thing I just posted a similar suggestion in the Cagbag forum while listening to the Cagcast and got the idea at the same point in the Cagcast that you mention. When Wombat suggests that Dark Sector is worth $15. Guess I should have checked in this forum first. Hope they implement this suggestion.
 
I think episodic/downloadable games are a great idea. Under the current retail model, I pay full price for a game regardless of whether or not I experience/view all of the content. So I may pay $60 for a game but only get through half of it, while someone else pays the same amount but finishes the entire game thus viewing/experiencing all of the content.

Under an episodic/downloadable model I would only pay for what I want/can play. Imagine a game with 6 levels/episodes each sold for $10 per episode. I can try the first level out for $10 and if I like it continue to pay for additional levels. If I only make it through half the game, I'd have only paid $30. Whereas, if I really like the game, I finish it and pay for all the levels and end up paying $60.

Under this model, the consumers win since we would end up paying less per game and only paying full price for the ones we finish (which for me is probably only 10% of my library). And since the price to even try out a game would only be $10, we would be more likely to try out many games instead of just a select few.

The publishers/developers win since the downloadable delivery gives them greater control of pricing and there would be no used game market.

The only losers I can think of would be Gamestop since they get so much money from reselling used games. But this money should have gone to the publisher/developer anyway in my opinion.

Having said all that, I agree there are still some issues such as how to transfer content from one machine to a replacement machine, but this could be easily addressed (content tied to a user account instead of tied to hardware).
 
[quote name='Blackout542']I downloaded the show from the first post and it came out as episode 113 for some reason. :cry:[/quote]My bad...try again.
I have no idea why there is a problem with the Zune. I haven't done anything differently.
 
Three problems with digital delivery:

1) One you buy it, you can't sell it back for credit. Nor, will you probably be able to use it with the next generation. Microsoft and Sony don't seem to care about backwards compatibility.

2) There aren't many good sales to be found. Sure Sony will drop the price a few bucks here and there, and Microsoft offers 50% on their older uh, junk. Nintendo VC never has a sale. As a cheapass, I loathe this. Half the fun, is seeing how inexpensive you can get games for. Digitial Distribution takes the retail (i.e. competition) element away. You either buy it from the vendor or not.

3) It will kill the rental market; you either buy the game or not. Trials are notoriously stingy; I almost bought Mr. Driller until I heard about the multi player- that wasn't in the demo. Sony frequently doesn't have demos, and Nintendo never has them.
 
[quote name='DesertEagleXIX']Three problems with digital delivery:

1) One you buy it, you can't sell it back for credit. Nor, will you probably be able to use it with the next generation. Microsoft and Sony don't seem to care about backwards compatibility.

2) There aren't many good sales to be found. Sure Sony will drop the price a few bucks here and there, and Microsoft offers 50% on their older uh, junk. Nintendo VC never has a sale. As a cheapass, I loathe this. Half the fun, is seeing how inexpensive you can get games for. Digitial Distribution takes the retail (i.e. competition) element away. You either buy it from the vendor or not.

3) It will kill the rental market; you either buy the game or not. Trials are notoriously stingy; I almost bought Mr. Driller until I heard about the multi player- that wasn't in the demo. Sony frequently doesn't have demos, and Nintendo never has them.[/quote]

Playing devil's advocate:

With digital distribution you can download demos of games before (or when) they're released. So gamers are able to check out many titles before they can purchase them.

That's the only pro of the argument - I'll try to keep this discussion going since it is the CagCast thread and all ... :)
 
Was just thinking about the question in the Cagbag about a guest, i'd like to see another show with JimmieMac :)
 
Good show as usual guys! Thanks for pulling my ? out of the bag, that was a nice treat during my friday workday. The Kit idea would be awesome in GTA. In fact with the tongue in cheek pop culture references throughout the series it surprises me that it wasn't in Vice City. There would have been a serious potential for side missions, plus some great jokes. I really agree with Wombat on the "innerspace" in the game, there's no excuse this time around. Needless to say I am amped for this game. I ended up preordering it at Blockbuster of all places only cuz I was drunk from some top shelf margaritas at dinner, and the clerk's selling point was "you know you want it, plus my Manager will be really happy." A drunk CAG and his money will soon be parted.
 
[quote name='DesertEagleXIX']Three problems with digital delivery:

1) One you buy it, you can't sell it back for credit. Nor, will you probably be able to use it with the next generation. Microsoft and Sony don't seem to care about backwards compatibility.

2) There aren't many good sales to be found. Sure Sony will drop the price a few bucks here and there, and Microsoft offers 50% on their older uh, junk. Nintendo VC never has a sale. As a cheapass, I loathe this. Half the fun, is seeing how inexpensive you can get games for. Digitial Distribution takes the retail (i.e. competition) element away. You either buy it from the vendor or not.

3) It will kill the rental market; you either buy the game or not. Trials are notoriously stingy; I almost bought Mr. Driller until I heard about the multi player- that wasn't in the demo. Sony frequently doesn't have demos, and Nintendo never has them.[/QUOTE]


I'm not advocating digital delivery with the current model we have ($60 for full game). I'm advocating digital delivery of episodic game content. Thus every game would have an initial $10 investment to try the game, with incremental $10 investments to add more levels/episodes. While we're at it, maybe make the multiplayer component optional too, so you pay an additional $10 for the multiplayer component.

In this model:

1) Yes, you would not be able to sell or trade your content since there would not be any used game market. However, there would not be a need for a used game market since the initial investment for games would be so cheap anyway ($10 to play 1 level, about $30 to finish half the game and $60 if you finish the entire game). Backwards compatibility can be addressed by tying the content to a user account instead of to the hardware itself.

2) I agree, there would be few sales since pricing would be controlled by the publishers/developers. However, you wouldn't need sales since the initial investment is so cheap. Remember, $10 to play the 1st level. $10 more for each additional level. We need sales now because the initial investment without a sale is $60.

3) Yes, it will kill the rental market and the used game market. Sorry about that, but they are only needed because the initial investment to even try the game is so steep ($60). At $10 per game, you don't need a rental or a used game market.
 
I agree with Wombat, $20 for an episodic game that you own no physical version of is a much, the game while I haven't played it doens't look too good. I'm only hopeful because they've made a living making fun of games so you'd think they'd get this right.
I also do think Cheapy is not as pessimistic since he wants to remain on their good side. Glad Wombat is ok with burning bridges for the Cagcast.
 
I love McDonald's breakfast but that Mega muffin looks nasty. First of all, even though I'd probably eat it anyway because bacon is awesome, they WAAAAAAAAYYYY undercooked that. And I thought the egg was a giant slice of onion when I first saw the pic... Plus it's on an english muffin whcih I'm not very keen on...

As for the CAGcast, i'll probably listen over the weekend.
 
Looks like others have already mentioned it but the PSN store will be open, just no new content. Which until the Bionic Commando redo comes out doesn't matter to me anyway.

I agree with Wombat that the $20 for the Penny Arcade game is too much, but then I don't like Penny Arcade. Like Cheapy said their fans will pay it. If it was the same game but with Cheapy D and Wombat... then I'd be more likely to pay the 20.

I just hope I'll be able to wear a Cheap Ass Gamer shirt in HOME.
 
just finished the show and I wanted to comment about Home for the ps3. I'm in the beta and for a free app it is good, not great just good. There is a lot of potential there, plus Wombat should like it because it includes dress up. I wouldn't buy furniture or clothes etc. in HOME but I'm sure there are plenty of people who will. The best way to describe HOME is that its like the common area in a college dorm. You can walk around and hear people having conversations, socialize and meet new people or meet up with your friends in your apartment. Once they implement the trophy room plus the other stuff they have planned it should be a better experience.
 
I seriously can't laughing at, (about the Penny Arcade game and what could go on the box) "Wombat says, 'I hope you fail.'"
 
[quote name='metrognome']Good show as usual guys! Thanks for pulling my ? out of the bag, that was a nice treat during my friday workday. The Kit idea would be awesome in GTA. In fact with the tongue in cheek pop culture references throughout the series it surprises me that it wasn't in Vice City. There would have been a serious potential for side missions, plus some great jokes. I really agree with Wombat on the "innerspace" in the game, there's no excuse this time around. Needless to say I am amped for this game. I ended up preordering it at Blockbuster of all places only cuz I was drunk from some top shelf margaritas at dinner, and the clerk's selling point was "you know you want it, plus my Manager will be really happy." A drunk CAG and his money will soon be parted.[/quote]

The whole game makes visual reference to Miami Vice.. much like GTA 3 made to Scarface..
 
I listen to the CAGCast for only 1 reason - the CAGs On News segment theme song.

I was very displeased with this weeks episode. You started talking over it too quickly Cheapy. I do not approve of this.
 
[quote name='StealthSoul']Another great show guys..

Wombat, you better start watching your back!

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Watch out Wonbot, it's Cheapy 47!
...And he's not going for the Silent Assassin rating!
 
I disagree with Wombat about the Wii Fit marketing campaign. There are plenty of households out there that currently own Wiis that also have mothers, older people, etc. that would be interested in Wii Fit, but do not follow gaming news. Nintendo is using this large marketing campaign to inform this new market they've created with games like Wii Sports that there is this new product out there for them to play while their kid is at school or whatever. Just because the system is hard to find doesn't mean there aren't plenty of households that they can still reach out to.

I do agree with Wombat about the PA game though. $20 for an episodic game? I've seen gameplay videos and it looks like absolute shit. I can't believe they're really charging that much for what is essentially just a big ego trip for themselves. But I guess Gabe and Tycho think they have enough sheep that will buy the game, so why not charge up the ass.
 
Cheapy D you are going to a great dad to Tai when he gets older. What a disciplinarian. Unfortunately, one of my highlights every Friday is the cagcast, not the Cheapydscoldswombatcast. Not one of my favorite episodes but it's ok. You guys are human and you've built up so much goodwill from having so many great shows that it's ok.

Also 20 bucks is too much for downloadable episodic content and no the giantbomb podcast did not steal your outline. To be (Super Smash) frank, I'm quite surprised that only one other podcast has used your format as it's the most obvious way to go when doing a video game podcast.
 
I totally agree with Wombat on the Penny Arcade game. 20 bucks is just ridiculous. It's especially ridiculous when it's going to be an episodic game. If they charge 20 bucks for the first game then how much will each new episode be? If they only charge five bucks an episode that would be fine, but somehow I can see new episodes being at least 10 bucks.

BTW I was cracking up when Wombat stopped talking after Cheapy asked him if he was talking over him again.
 
Wombat was right about the penny arcade game being too much. It was funny seeing cheapy walking on "egg shells" while wombat made those comments, come on cheapy you waste no time bashing the console makers for over charging for things. But yet when it's one of your "Friends" doing it now its ok to charge $20 for something.....right.....
 
[quote name='StealthSoul']Another great show guys..

Wombat, you better start watching your back!
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Dude, thats great.
 
[quote name='DJSteel']The whole game makes visual reference to Miami Vice.. much like GTA 3 made to Scarface..[/quote]

I know Vice City had a lot of Miami Vice in it, but it also had a lot of other 80's references. That's why I think Kit would have been good there. And I think Vice City made references to Scarface as well, remember the mansion and the final mission?
 
Cheapy, you seemed a little nasty for the rest of the cast after you found out Wombat was shot the e3 invite and you weren't, even after he offered it to you. I don't think sleeping with Reggie is going to get you a pass either but hey, who knows. On another note, Wombat good luck in giving birth, fight!

Nonetheless, great cast keep it up.
 
[quote name='sigtheman']Cheapy, you seemed a little nasty for the rest of the cast after you found out Wombat was shot the e3 invite and you weren't, even after he offered it to you. I don't think sleeping with Reggie is going to get you a pass either but hey, who knows. On another note, Wombat good luck in giving birth, fight!

Nonetheless, great cast keep it up.[/quote]

Wait until next week for the follow up story on that. Heh.
 
[quote name='DesertEagleXIX']Three problems with digital delivery:

2) There aren't many good sales to be found. Sure Sony will drop the price a few bucks here and there, and Microsoft offers 50% on their older uh, junk. Nintendo VC never has a sale. As a cheapass, I loathe this. Half the fun, is seeing how inexpensive you can get games for. Digitial Distribution takes the retail (i.e. competition) element away. You either buy it from the vendor or not.[/quote]

Go download Steam. My friend bought Prey for 8 bucks this weekend, a game that I still see at 50 bucks on store shelves. To say there are no deals on XBLA or PSN is one thing, but don't limit digital distribution to only the current console space.
 
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