CAGcast #208: C*********s 101

About halfway through the latest cagcast so far. Esteban is great, have him on more often.

And cheers to the CAG cast crew for talking about the XBL glitch issue. It took me a minute after reading it on Kotaku "wait a minute, they are telling everyone how to steal these games".

Hopefully the poster from a few pages back is correct, and once the bug is fixed the door is closed and the downloads go back to being demos. Although the damage may well be done by then.

Can anyone out there explain in laymens terms how this bug can even happen? And how the heck did anyone find it?
 
So did anyone else notice the title can spell out Cocksuckers 101? Before I listened, I thought for sure that was the title and they were going to rip on someone for being a huge asshole.
 
Cheapy - I used the CAGDOMAIN code today on godaddy to register my .com, and appreciate the savings I got using the code. If you want a good incentive to get listeners to register a domain and use the codes, here's one: Just imagine how embarrassing it would be if your .com bounced to a depraved hard core porn website. If someone like my boss or a prospective employer Googles me, I definatley don't want a website about beastiality to be the first thing that shows up. :hot: This is one reason I already own a couple of the domains that are variations of .com

Oh, and Esteban was a great guest, enjoyed listening to him!
 
Cheapy, I'm surprised you took down the 360 glitch thread but not the other glitch threads where people scammed retailers. Remember the EA $20 coupon glitch?

Great show though! Esteban was a nice addition to the show.
 
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I think you guys talking about the arcade game glitch will lead to a lot of your listeners trying it. You didn't mention the titles, but they could figure that out with a quick google search. The CAGcast was the first I heard of the glitch.
 
[quote name='menikmati']Respect for CheapyD & the gang on their views on the XBLA glitch.[/QUOTE] Agreed. Shipwreck's anger over this issue boosted my esteem of him. Right now, he's my favorite CAG.

Kotaku posting the full details how to steal these games should surprise no one. They're part of Gawker media, the sleaziest collection of websites on the net. Like Gizmodo buying the stolen iPhone 4 prototype. I stopped reading Kotaku because of their editorial policy. I'm saddened that Joystiq walked through the mud. They were my go to site for up-to-the-minute video game news. Now, based on your account, I think I'll bookmark Destructoid.

The small Japanese publisher might not be able to exclude them from big events but Micosoft certainly could... and should.
 
Adding Shipwreck to the show was a stroke of genius, but I have to say, throwing Esteban into the mix seems to have made the CAGcast perfect. This was easily the funniest episode I've heard in a while, but more important is that somehow Esteban's presence completely eliminated any awkward pauses that have always plagued the show. Like after Wombat's long, thoughtful review of Dragon's Quest. In shows past, this would only elicit a "Right" from a can't-care-less Cheapy. Here, he threw in a joke (still showing he doesn't care, but whatever, we love him anyway) and things kept right on moving.

I think Esteban makes a good counterpart to Cheapy, just like Shipwreck and Wombat play off each other very nicely. The four of you together is unstoppable entertainment and I hope you bring him back (or make him a regular) very soon.
 
EA's sleazy system of paying for cheats and stats boost is one of the reasons I refuse to buy EA games. As bad as Activision sometimes seems, EA retains its title as most evil game publisher. I'll play a copy of their games at a friend's house but they'll never get my money.
 
[quote name='banodyne']EA's sleazy system of paying for cheats and stats boost is one of the reasons I refuse to buy EA games. As bad as Activision sometimes seems, EA retains its title as most evil game publisher. I'll play a copy of their games at a friend's house but they'll never get my money.[/QUOTE]

So you'll buy a new CoD game that's shoved out the door every year but you won't buy a game from EA because of something optional that they offer?

...Interesting.
 
I can't believe you mentioned the Mafia 2 demo and didn't talk about the boobs. I don't even know this show anymore!
 
Hey Wombat what do you think of the Bioshock Infinite trailer? Looks like they took your advice and changed the environment to the sky. Do you think this change for the game is going to hurt or help the franchise? But anyways love the show and listen religiously ever week. Love Cheapy D and "Boat Crash" too.
 
I think I may be one of the few who didn't like having Esteban on the show. He isn't the reason why I didn't like it (I really enjoyed having him on), it's the fact that with 4 people it seems very chaotic and like not everyone gets to say what they want. It seemed like there was a 30 minute period in which it was just Wombat and Esteban were talking, Cheapy saying "yeah" after their comments and Ship just being absolutely silent. It doesn't seem to flow as well as just 3 people, despite there being fewer "awkward" pauses.

And I'm glad that you managed to make this an enjoyable CAGcast (lots of humor) because with such a slow week for gaming, I didn't think it would be that good.
 
[quote name='DarkZion']I think I may be one of the few who didn't like having Esteban on the show. He isn't the reason why I didn't like it (I really enjoyed having him on), it's the fact that with 4 people it seems very chaotic and like not everyone gets to say what they want. It seemed like there was a 30 minute period in which it was just Wombat and Esteban were talking, Cheapy saying "yeah" after their comments and Ship just being absolutely silent. It doesn't seem to flow as well as just 3 people, despite there being fewer "awkward" pauses.

And I'm glad that you managed to make this an enjoyable CAGcast (lots of humor) because with such a slow week for gaming, I didn't think it would be that good.[/QUOTE]


Agree, it almost seemed like Esteban had been podcasting with the CAG crew for a long time but sometimes Ship and Cheapy would stay quiet for a while. Really wish Esteban can be on the show again some time.

Hey Cheapy, you should try to throw a CAG reference in the voice work for Saints Row 3. Maybe something that doesn't give it away but only people who listen to the podcast would know where it's coming from.
 
Great show guys. I liked hearing Estabon chatting with the CAG crew. I'll check out his unofficial podcast later this week.

I saw the glitch floating around and was shocked when I saw it on Joystiq as well. I can understand that it is "news", but it definitely could have been edited a bit. Also, most of the comments on that post are against using it. I hope Joystiq addresses it in their podcast.

Secondly, I guess no one played Earthbound. They found a way to get smell into games.

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The scratch and sniff cards came with the players guide (which came with the game). I seem to remember some adverts having these cards as well.
 
Innocent robot humor is my favorite kind of humor.
Props to Ship for mentioning it!
Was also good to hear Ship get passionate. Not sure how I feel about the issue but I liked hearing Ship's journalistic integrity.
 
[quote name='RichMeisterMan']So you'll buy a new CoD game that's shoved out the door every year but you won't buy a game from EA because of something optional that they offer?

...Interesting.[/QUOTE]Sleazy optional. Like a guy offering his sister for a "date".

Though the Call of Duty games are annualized I'd hardly call them shoved out since, unlike say Madden, there's big differences between each release and the games are of high quality. Hell, look at this week's most played games list on Major Nelson. Call of Duty holds the #1, 3, 4 spots. It's kind of insane when older entries in a series are still played that much.
 
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Cheapy, thanks the info about IMDB. I'm on there as a producer for a short film I did there a few years ago. A couple of years ago I worked on an indie film that's gone on to get a lot of awards. The movie listed the cast but not all of the crew so I was thinking of updating it.
 
[quote name='banodyne']Though the Call of Duty games are annualized I'd hardly call them shoved out[/QUOTE]

I would

MW2 multiplayer has been a buggy, glitchy mess since launch and Activision is far more interested in selling map packs for an inflated price than fixing the bugs.
 
Great guest! Really enjoyed his appearance. Btw, was Cheapy eating during the show? How rude!

Wombat, the reason you love DQIX is because the producer said he was more inspired by Oblivion when they were working on the game. Maybe that's the reason? ;)

And Wombat's opinion about original IPs discussion during that discussion was spot on.
 
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Can someone refesh me with the name of Esteban's personal podcast, I cant remember the name or the point at which he mentions it.

Thanks
 
I have no idea how there was absolutely no cross-talk at all on the podcast. With four cooks in the kitchen, you would think it inevitable. Great show this week though guys and Esteban was awesome.
 
[quote name='Swoxx']So whats the uncensored title for this show? I'm going with c*ntlickers![/QUOTE]
Cunnilingus, which is the same as what you said ;)

Also, great show guys, and thanks for the godaddy coupon codes.
 
Great show guys! This episode was really funny. Cheapy, you were killin' me with your Saints Row voices. Please try to get those in the game. Esteban was really good on the show. He seems like a real cool dude. You should have him on more often. He mixes well with you guys. I'll definitely be checking out his podcast.

Shipwreck, I agree with you on Mafia 2. I can't get excited about it. I played Mafia 1 several years ago and I thought it really sucked. It wasn't a good game. The driving was awful. I didn't even bother beating it. I was really surprised to see them making a sequel and seeing so much hype around it now, considering the first one was pretty lame.

As for the glitch story, the excuse that it's a news story so it had to be posted is just a big time cop out. Yeah it was a news story, but so is the announcement of a new Disney show DS game, but that doesn't mean it deserves a post (sadly, these sites do post those as well). They just covered the story wrong. You don't tell people exactly how to steal games. If they just had to post it, they should have left out names, the source link, and especially the method of going about it. Personally, I feel this story should not have been posted.

Kotaku once again proved they're a trash site. It must have been a slow news day and they couldn't find a celebrity holding a PS3 controller or something. I guess we finally found out what they're the "Gamer's Guide" to: stealing.

The Joystiq crew pretends to have some sort of journalistic integrity, but they're just like all the other blogs. McElroy is a hyprocite (as somebody in this thread pointed out earlier). The only thing these sites care about is page views. A post about how to get free games through a glitch is going to get a lot of page views.

It's good that Destructoid didn't post the story, but that doesn't excuse all the other terrible shit they post. They still suck ass.

As Wombat pointed out, I would love to see these guys do that to an EA, Activision, or Microsoft/Sony game. Like Wombat said, it would be down as fast as it went up. I don't think they would want to stop the exclusive stories, free trips, games, and game schwag from coming in. The company in question is an easy target, so who cares right? It'll give them another post and more page views if they ever file for bankruptcy. Then they can write a feature story on the fall of smaller game companies, asking just why is this happening? like they actually care.

Tomb Raider launching without online co-op is hilarious. A big time feature left out of the game for a few weeks is super weak. I don't think the game's going to do that well, even when it comes out for PS3.
 
Just wondering, what is the punishment for that glitch exploit?

I was told about the glitch by a friend, who showed me it on Metal Slug XX (at my house, on my tag). Feeling wrong about it after he left though, plus the fact it wasn't showing in my games list, and the fact I had fun playing the game and wouldn't mind owning it, I went and bought the game off the marketplace so I had it legitimately.

Since then I've come across some of these blog posts and mentions on various forums about the glitch, some are saying accounts get banned, some say that gamerscores get reset.

I'm just wondering if I'm likely to get punished? As the only game I tried it on, is now in my XBOX purchase history.
 
First, Esteban's pretty cool. Keep him on.
Please stop Wombat from choosing the past show's comments. He always manages to ignore the best ones. Let Shipwreck get say in this as well or CheapyD.

Shipwreck, stop taking so LONG to explain something that CheapyD has to push you on faster and faster.

Also, the whole arcade trial glitching thing isn't that big of a deal to get annoyed about. It's not. It's crappy games that you can now get for free. So what?
Was it also bad when sites told you how to glitch the Just Cause 2 demo for infinite playtime?
Waa waa. Let's find something NEW to whine about on the cagcast
 
Hi

I totally and 100% agree with all you said in the episode about the whole XBLA glitch, and I really liked your discussion. However, i cant help but to feel a little irritated.

You guys regularly talk about how you abuse the 5x download feature on psn, to get extra copies for free. Sure, you dont tell people how to do it, but you talk about it on the show regularly(if not psn sharing, then .torrenting movies), which makes it more 'legit' to do - hey, if cheapyd is doing so, I can do it as well.

IMO that is kinda contradictory to the whole "support the gamecompanies" talk you gave us today.

And how do you justify dissing these websites talking about the glitch when you do the same on your show?
 
^gamesharing isnt a "glitch" and has in the past been endorsed by official sony spokespeople. Totally different.


Although the tide does kind of seems to be turning with developers using workarounds to disable gamesharing.
 
In response to the PS3 download issues, I'd just like to mention that every system has issues. When you're 360s were acting up, you were willing to put a towel over it and let it sit for an hour or two; you were willing to go through xbox after failing xbox before you got one that worked. If you were willing to go through all that to enjoy your xbox, then I don't see how its too much to be patient and let the PS3 complete its slow ass downloads of its Firmware. c'mon guys.... No one's complaining about having to pretend that NES carts were harmonicas in order to get them to work. We know its a flaw but we're not going to let those flaws keep us from enjoying the system.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']In response to the PS3 download issues, I'd just like to mention that every system has issues. When you're 360s were acting up, you were willing to put a towel over it and let it sit for an hour or two; you were willing to go through xbox after failing xbox before you got one that worked. If you were willing to go through all that to enjoy your xbox, then I don't see how its too much to be patient and let the PS3 complete its slow ass downloads of its Firmware. c'mon guys.... No one's complaining about having to pretend that NES carts were harmonicas in order to get them to work. We know its a flaw but we're not going to let those flaws keep us from enjoying the system.[/QUOTE]

360 issue - dead horse
PS3 issue - not a dead horse

Don't beat the dead horse. If the PS3 issue had already been beaten to death there would be no need to talk about it. If you're an adult that comes home from a long day of work and has limited time to enjoy a game in the evening the PS3 downloads are a major issue. It becomes especially noticeable if you do the majority of your gaming on the 360.

If it makes you feel any better World of Warcraft has the same issue. It's impossible to play that casually because you get prompted for a 1+ GB download every now and then.
 
I 100% agree with Shipwrecks reaction toward the XBLA glitch and the blogs posting the information. I mean I guess I knew those type of blogs would post just about anything they get their hands on but that seemed over the line. I expect this from Kotaku because they are slime but I guess I thought Joystiq was better than that.
 
I too was a bit surprised that Joystiq published the glitch. I'm not going to lie, I am tempted to try this glitch myself, but i like to think most other CAG members here, like myself, are genuine people and wouldn't support a way of "stealing" software.

Oh, and Estaban was a great addition as a supporting character.
 
Hey everyone! Thanks for the positive feedback on my cagcast appearance. You made me feel like a million bucks! Cheapy, Wombat, and Shipwreck are the bestest hosts ever.
 
[quote name='firehawk12']I'm sorry, but Shipwreck's how to pay 50% less for Xbox Live games thread is still up... and isn't that the same thing?

But yeah, it's very sketch either way.[/QUOTE]

Nope, that's completely within the intent and rules of the EULA of Microsoft XBLA games. It's not sketchy, it's knowing the rules of the DRM system that's in place on Live.
 
Holy shit that guide's more complicated than some of my Econometrics textbooks from University.

Anyone who can follow that thru to the end deserves to get a half-price game.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']Nope, that's completely within the intent and rules of the EULA of Microsoft XBLA games. It's not sketchy, it's knowing the rules of the DRM system that's in place on Live.[/QUOTE]

Really? That's not sketchy? So basically giving another person a game for free is fine but using a glitch that's found online to get free games isn't? PSN gamesharing lets up to 4 other people get free games as well!

Uh huh. I think publishers sending you games non-stop is kinda of messing with your head.

Also, I think this is a fair time to criticize the "value rating system" for reviews.
How can you honestly rate a game with a cash value if you don't pay for it?

You don't feel any of the regret from buying a bad game and wasting the money. If I got something for free and didn't like it, i wouldnt say, i'd pay 5 bucks for it, i'd say "ITS A GOOD THINGS ITS FREE".
If a game is bad, it's bad. There should not be a cash value placed on it. You wouldn't buy some shitty food cause it's cheap as hell so what's the difference?
 
[quote name='shipwreck']Nope, that's completely within the intent and rules of the EULA of Microsoft XBLA games. It's not sketchy, it's knowing the rules of the DRM system that's in place on Live.[/QUOTE]

Well, I don't think MS ever thought that two people would use it to share games, but fair enough.

I do agree that actually telling people how to get free SNK games was the really broken part. Although I wonder who SNK can go after in this case, if anyone.
 
Thanks for reading my question about the Japanese trains, Cheapy. I don't know what possessed me to write the word "shit" twice in my tweet to you but I guess it did make it sound all "street-like." It was hilarious that you were doing your Saint's Row voice acting right before you read it and it played right in. Made my day. Freaking hilarious! Great show as usual guys and stay gangsta.
 
[quote name='Microshock']You wouldn't buy some shitty food cause it's cheap as hell so what's the difference?[/QUOTE]McDonalds seems to be doing pretty well.

People have lower expectations from cheap food. Likewise, if you pay $10 for a game, you might be more likely to be satisfied by your purchase even if the game is mediocre.



[quote name='morfar']

You guys regularly talk about how you abuse the 5x download feature on psn, to get extra copies for free. Sure, you dont tell people how to do it, but you talk about it on the show regularly(if not psn sharing, then .torrenting movies), which makes it more 'legit' to do - hey, if cheapyd is doing so, I can do it as well.[/QUOTE]
Here's what SCEA president Jack Tretton told Wired right before PS3's launch:

"You can send that content to four other friends for that initial investment," said Tretton. "We want to get the game in as many hands as possible."

"It's not about generating profits at each and every interaction with the consumer," he said. "I think that really offsets the argument that says, 'Wow, that's a really pricey system.'"


http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2007/08/sony-disables-g/
 
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Hey Guys
This was an awesome show
Cheapy, your role of a street guy in saints row 3 was priceless
I'm buying the game just to hear what other ridiculous "street talk" you'll be saying.
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK :D
 
[quote name='Microshock']Really? That's not sketchy? So basically giving another person a game for free is fine but using a glitch that's found online to get free games isn't?
[/QUOTE]
You know what the difference is? One follows rules while the other directly violates them. At the end of the day, Ship's method still puts money in the developers pocket, whereas the glitch does not.
 
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