CBS fires 4 top employees
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Honestly, it doesn't matter who they were lying about, what matters is that there were lies in the news. If it were about Kerry, Clinton, Bush, Putin, anyone they should be held accountable for their actions. The news are created to give us truth, even if biased, it should still be based in truth.
This story relied on "false documents". Hrm. Well, aren't we in Iraq now, you know, because of false inteligence? Yet, if somebody were to hold Bush accountable for this, they'd be met with a "we went on the intelligence we had and acted accordingly." Isn't this the same situation?
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[quote name='evilmax17']This story relied on "false documents". Hrm. Well, aren't we in Iraq now, you know, because of false inteligence? Yet, if somebody were to hold Bush accountable for this, they'd be met with a "we went on the intelligence we had and acted accordingly." Isn't this the same situation?[/quote]
Nope.
Nope.
ZarathosNY
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Bush has yet to explain his missing time from the guard. Everyone seems to forget that while the document wasn't original, the info it contained was true.
Scrubking
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[quote name='ZarathosNY']Bush has yet to explain his missing time from the guard. Everyone seems to forget that while the document wasn't original, the info it contained was true.[/quote]
Just like clinton has yet to explain how lying under oath is okay just because it's about his sex life.
Just like clinton has yet to explain how lying under oath is okay just because it's about his sex life.
ZarathosNY
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[quote name='Scrubking'][quote name='ZarathosNY']Bush has yet to explain his missing time from the guard. Everyone seems to forget that while the document wasn't original, the info it contained was true.[/quote]
Just like clinton has yet to explain how lying under oath is okay just because it's about his sex life.[/quote]
Figures, can't answer the question, so typical right wing response is to cry Clinton.
Just like clinton has yet to explain how lying under oath is okay just because it's about his sex life.[/quote]
Figures, can't answer the question, so typical right wing response is to cry Clinton.
Scrubking
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[quote name='ZarathosNY'][quote name='Scrubking'][quote name='ZarathosNY']Bush has yet to explain his missing time from the guard. Everyone seems to forget that while the document wasn't original, the info it contained was true.[/quote]
Just like clinton has yet to explain how lying under oath is okay just because it's about his sex life.[/quote]
Figures, can't answer the question, so typical right wing response is to cry Clinton.[/quote]
No. The typical response is to point out your hypocrisy.
Just like clinton has yet to explain how lying under oath is okay just because it's about his sex life.[/quote]
Figures, can't answer the question, so typical right wing response is to cry Clinton.[/quote]
No. The typical response is to point out your hypocrisy.
ZarathosNY
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[quote name='Scrubking'][quote name='ZarathosNY'][quote name='Scrubking'][quote name='ZarathosNY']Bush has yet to explain his missing time from the guard. Everyone seems to forget that while the document wasn't original, the info it contained was true.[/quote]
Just like clinton has yet to explain how lying under oath is okay just because it's about his sex life.[/quote]
Figures, can't answer the question, so typical right wing response is to cry Clinton.[/quote]
No. The typical response is to point out your hypocrisy.[/quote]
What hypocrisy?
Just like clinton has yet to explain how lying under oath is okay just because it's about his sex life.[/quote]
Figures, can't answer the question, so typical right wing response is to cry Clinton.[/quote]
No. The typical response is to point out your hypocrisy.[/quote]
What hypocrisy?
CBS fired people who used false information to push their own agenda. The managers/powers that be there felt it was wrong to have done and canned them. Ok. What did Bush's boss do? Bush's boss is the American people, he is to listen to their will. He used information that may or may not have been 100% accurate to enter into a war. What did his boss say? 4 more years.
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Tollenz, that's a real good point. All these lefties that cried "Bush lied!" now have to swallow a very bitter pill, 60+ million Americans don't see it their way. Faulty intelligence does not make a lie. It indicates nothing more than problems with intelligence services.
It also meant that whatever means we used to come to WMD conclusions in Iraq were shared by every major nations intelligence services. If, for example, the German intelligence service or the French intelligence service said Iraq had no WMD the press would have skewered the administration and the CIA for not listening to our Allies. As such, no ones intelligence disputed our own. That does not constitute a lie.
To the people that say "The documents were false but the information they held was true.". Prove it. This was a witch hunt pure and simple. No one's been able to prove anything, that's why 4 executives and Mary "Man Hating Liberal" Mapes have no jobs. They got suckered but they so wanted to believe the story was true they ran with forged documents.
There is more truth that the Swift Boat Veterans were able to produce than Dan Rather and 60 Minutes II. There were eyewitness reports, contradictions to reports Kerry wrote and submitted as an officer, disputes from former medical personnel that treated his wounds that just happened to come from a flag level officer, an Admiral. Meanwhile 60 Minutes relied on a disgruntled ex-serviceman Air Guard member who felt he got railroaded on his seperation and disability pay from the service and was diagnosed with mental conditions.
Now one of those groups got branded the Swift Boat Liars, the other guy was/is never mentioned, the faulty report is never mentioned, the retraction is never mentioned, the documents are never mentioned but..... the fact that they may be true.... is.
Cling to the "truth" you may see in this story all you want lefties. The American people re-elected Bush, CBS fired 4 people, Dan Rather withdrew from the country and hosting tonight's newscast and is forced to step down in March. Oh, and internet posters just like me have as much power to bring down a network news operation than any number of bad ratings books.
God did bless America in a way I never expected in 2004 and 2005.
It also meant that whatever means we used to come to WMD conclusions in Iraq were shared by every major nations intelligence services. If, for example, the German intelligence service or the French intelligence service said Iraq had no WMD the press would have skewered the administration and the CIA for not listening to our Allies. As such, no ones intelligence disputed our own. That does not constitute a lie.
To the people that say "The documents were false but the information they held was true.". Prove it. This was a witch hunt pure and simple. No one's been able to prove anything, that's why 4 executives and Mary "Man Hating Liberal" Mapes have no jobs. They got suckered but they so wanted to believe the story was true they ran with forged documents.
There is more truth that the Swift Boat Veterans were able to produce than Dan Rather and 60 Minutes II. There were eyewitness reports, contradictions to reports Kerry wrote and submitted as an officer, disputes from former medical personnel that treated his wounds that just happened to come from a flag level officer, an Admiral. Meanwhile 60 Minutes relied on a disgruntled ex-serviceman Air Guard member who felt he got railroaded on his seperation and disability pay from the service and was diagnosed with mental conditions.
Now one of those groups got branded the Swift Boat Liars, the other guy was/is never mentioned, the faulty report is never mentioned, the retraction is never mentioned, the documents are never mentioned but..... the fact that they may be true.... is.
Cling to the "truth" you may see in this story all you want lefties. The American people re-elected Bush, CBS fired 4 people, Dan Rather withdrew from the country and hosting tonight's newscast and is forced to step down in March. Oh, and internet posters just like me have as much power to bring down a network news operation than any number of bad ratings books.
God did bless America in a way I never expected in 2004 and 2005.
Scrubking
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[quote name='David85']Scrubking has never answered a question fully, yet brags about he rules at debating.
He has a huge ego and doesn't get the facts, just like all Republicans.[/quote]
Cause I'm not dumb enough to be lead around by you liberals by answering all your dumb, hypocritical questions.
Just like you don't go around answering every question posed by the right. For someone bitching about questions not answered you seemed to not answer mine. I'm not surprised.
He has a huge ego and doesn't get the facts, just like all Republicans.[/quote]
Cause I'm not dumb enough to be lead around by you liberals by answering all your dumb, hypocritical questions.
Just like you don't go around answering every question posed by the right. For someone bitching about questions not answered you seemed to not answer mine. I'm not surprised.
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[quote name='Scrubking']"NEW YORK (AP) Four CBS News staffers were fired Monday following the release of an independent investigation that said a ''myopic zeal'' led to a ''60 Minutes Wednesday'' story about President Bush's military service that relied on allegedly forged documents.
The network fired Mary Mapes, producer of the report; Josh Howard, executive producer of ''60 Minutes Wednesday'' and his top deputy Mary Murphy; and senior vice president Betsy West.
Dan Rather, who narrated the report, announced in November that he was stepping down as anchorman of the ''CBS Evening News,'' but insisted the timing had nothing to do with the investigation."
It's about time some liberals pay the price for lying about Bush.[/quote]
Good. They deserved to be fired, and so did Rather.
The network fired Mary Mapes, producer of the report; Josh Howard, executive producer of ''60 Minutes Wednesday'' and his top deputy Mary Murphy; and senior vice president Betsy West.
Dan Rather, who narrated the report, announced in November that he was stepping down as anchorman of the ''CBS Evening News,'' but insisted the timing had nothing to do with the investigation."
It's about time some liberals pay the price for lying about Bush.[/quote]
Good. They deserved to be fired, and so did Rather.
ZarathosNY
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[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Tollenz, that's a real good point. All these lefties that cried "Bush lied!" now have to swallow a very bitter pill, 60+ million Americans don't see it their way. Faulty intelligence does not make a lie. It indicates nothing more than problems with intelligence services.
It also meant that whatever means we used to come to WMD conclusions in Iraq were shared by every major nations intelligence services. If, for example, the German intelligence service or the French intelligence service said Iraq had no WMD the press would have skewered the administration and the CIA for not listening to our Allies. As such, no ones intelligence disputed our own. That does not constitute a lie.
To the people that say "The documents were false but the information they held was true.". Prove it. This was a witch hunt pure and simple. No one's been able to prove anything, that's why 4 executives and Mary "Man Hating Liberal" Mapes have no jobs. They got suckered but they so wanted to believe the story was true they ran with forged documents.
There is more truth that the Swift Boat Veterans were able to produce than Dan Rather and 60 Minutes II. There were eyewitness reports, contradictions to reports Kerry wrote and submitted as an officer, disputes from former medical personnel that treated his wounds that just happened to come from a flag level officer, an Admiral. Meanwhile 60 Minutes relied on a disgruntled ex-serviceman Air Guard member who felt he got railroaded on his seperation and disability pay from the service and was diagnosed with mental conditions.
Now one of those groups got branded the Swift Boat Liars, the other guy was/is never mentioned, the faulty report is never mentioned, the retraction is never mentioned, the documents are never mentioned but..... the fact that they may be true.... is.
Cling to the "truth" you may see in this story all you want lefties. The American people re-elected Bush, CBS fired 4 people, Dan Rather withdrew from the country and hosting tonight's newscast and is forced to step down in March. Oh, and internet posters just like me have as much power to bring down a network news operation than any number of bad ratings books.
God did bless America in a way I never expected in 2004 and 2005.[/quote]
Sorry PAD, but the "evidence" produced by the swift boat liars was debunked. That's why they were called liars, because they lied.
It also meant that whatever means we used to come to WMD conclusions in Iraq were shared by every major nations intelligence services. If, for example, the German intelligence service or the French intelligence service said Iraq had no WMD the press would have skewered the administration and the CIA for not listening to our Allies. As such, no ones intelligence disputed our own. That does not constitute a lie.
To the people that say "The documents were false but the information they held was true.". Prove it. This was a witch hunt pure and simple. No one's been able to prove anything, that's why 4 executives and Mary "Man Hating Liberal" Mapes have no jobs. They got suckered but they so wanted to believe the story was true they ran with forged documents.
There is more truth that the Swift Boat Veterans were able to produce than Dan Rather and 60 Minutes II. There were eyewitness reports, contradictions to reports Kerry wrote and submitted as an officer, disputes from former medical personnel that treated his wounds that just happened to come from a flag level officer, an Admiral. Meanwhile 60 Minutes relied on a disgruntled ex-serviceman Air Guard member who felt he got railroaded on his seperation and disability pay from the service and was diagnosed with mental conditions.
Now one of those groups got branded the Swift Boat Liars, the other guy was/is never mentioned, the faulty report is never mentioned, the retraction is never mentioned, the documents are never mentioned but..... the fact that they may be true.... is.
Cling to the "truth" you may see in this story all you want lefties. The American people re-elected Bush, CBS fired 4 people, Dan Rather withdrew from the country and hosting tonight's newscast and is forced to step down in March. Oh, and internet posters just like me have as much power to bring down a network news operation than any number of bad ratings books.
God did bless America in a way I never expected in 2004 and 2005.[/quote]
Sorry PAD, but the "evidence" produced by the swift boat liars was debunked. That's why they were called liars, because they lied.
PittsburghAfterDark
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It was? Who debunked it? When did Kerry come forward and say this is wrong and correct it?
Are you saying it was debunked because James Carville, Paul Begala, Alan Colmes, Elanor Clift, Keith Olberwoman and Chris Matthews said so? Kerry didn't say boo about this and he's the only one that counts.
Try again.
Are you saying it was debunked because James Carville, Paul Begala, Alan Colmes, Elanor Clift, Keith Olberwoman and Chris Matthews said so? Kerry didn't say boo about this and he's the only one that counts.
Try again.
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I wish Bush worked for CBS.
ZarathosNY
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[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']It was? Who debunked it? When did Kerry come forward and say this is wrong and correct it?
Are you saying it was debunked because James Carville, Paul Begala, Alan Colmes, Elanor Clift, Keith Olberwoman and Chris Matthews said so? Kerry didn't say boo about this and he's the only one that counts.
Try again.[/quote]
Kerry did say so. Link
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50914FE3D5A0C738EDDA10894DC404482
Are you saying it was debunked because James Carville, Paul Begala, Alan Colmes, Elanor Clift, Keith Olberwoman and Chris Matthews said so? Kerry didn't say boo about this and he's the only one that counts.
Try again.[/quote]
Kerry did say so. Link
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50914FE3D5A0C738EDDA10894DC404482
Kerry said on multiple occaisions that they were liars. Yet, he never did anything legally against them. If he could prove that they were liars, he'd have a slander and libel case against the Swift Boat Vets. Either he couldn't prove it...or they were right.
Not all Republicans ignore the facts, I'm offended I resemble that remark
Not all Republicans ignore the facts, I'm offended I resemble that remark
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[quote name='t0llenz']Kerry said on multiple occaisions that they were liars. Yet, he never did anything legally against them. If he could prove that they were liars, he'd have a slander and libel case against the Swift Boat Vets. [/quote]
Understatement of the century seeing how them dems love political lawsuits.
Understatement of the century seeing how them dems love political lawsuits.
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From the post-election wrap-up in Newsweek, Kerry's team wanted to ignore the Swift Boar Liars initially to avoid giving them any more press. In hindsight, it was a bad move. It was really a no-win situation - ignore them and look like you're ducking the topic or fight them in court and take yourself off the campaign trail.
Just because he didn't sue them, doesn't mean they are telling the truth.
Just because he didn't sue them, doesn't mean they are telling the truth.
PittsburghAfterDark
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MBE the funny thing about the SBVT's was that other than their first ad claiming they saw differing viewpoints of Kerry's service than his official reocrds the remaining 3 could never be touched by the Kerry campaign.
He did claim before congress he was a war criminal and committed attrocities against the Vietnamese people. He did go to Paris and meet with North Vietnamese negotiatiors without being part of the official government negotiation team, a violation of the UCMJ and the Constitution. He did lie about throwing his medals over the Capitol fence. Veterans were greatly disturbed by his ilk and him in particular as slandering all U.S. soldiers.
They did tell the truth. They used Kerry's own words and statements to hang him.
He did claim before congress he was a war criminal and committed attrocities against the Vietnamese people. He did go to Paris and meet with North Vietnamese negotiatiors without being part of the official government negotiation team, a violation of the UCMJ and the Constitution. He did lie about throwing his medals over the Capitol fence. Veterans were greatly disturbed by his ilk and him in particular as slandering all U.S. soldiers.
They did tell the truth. They used Kerry's own words and statements to hang him.
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A presidential candidate (even now presidential hopeful) bringing a lawsuit against a group as visible as the swift boat veterans? That would have ruined any chance he had of winning.
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I had to post this, this was Letterman's top 10 ways to improve CBS news.
Late Show home page: http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/
10. Stories must be corroborated by at least two really strong hunches.
9. "Evening News" pre-show staff cocktail hour is cancelled until further notice.
8. Reduce "60 Minutes" to more manageable 15-20 minutes.
7. Change division name from "CBS News" to "CBS News-ish"
6. If anchor says anything inaccurate, earpiece delivers an electric shock.
5. Conclude each story with comical "Boing" sound effect.
4. Instead of boring Middle East reports, more Powerball drawings.
3. To play it safe, every "exclusive" story will be about how tasty pecan pie is.
2. Not sure how, but make CBS News more like "C.S.I."
... and the number one proposed change ...
1. Use beer, cash and hookers to lure Tom Brokaw out of retirement.
Late Show home page: http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/
10. Stories must be corroborated by at least two really strong hunches.
9. "Evening News" pre-show staff cocktail hour is cancelled until further notice.
8. Reduce "60 Minutes" to more manageable 15-20 minutes.
7. Change division name from "CBS News" to "CBS News-ish"
6. If anchor says anything inaccurate, earpiece delivers an electric shock.
5. Conclude each story with comical "Boing" sound effect.
4. Instead of boring Middle East reports, more Powerball drawings.
3. To play it safe, every "exclusive" story will be about how tasty pecan pie is.
2. Not sure how, but make CBS News more like "C.S.I."
... and the number one proposed change ...
1. Use beer, cash and hookers to lure Tom Brokaw out of retirement.
Scrubking
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[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']I had to post this, this was Letterman's top 10 ways to improve CBS news.
Late Show home page: http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/
10. Stories must be corroborated by at least two really strong hunches.
9. "Evening News" pre-show staff cocktail hour is cancelled until further notice.
8. Reduce "60 Minutes" to more manageable 15-20 minutes.
7. Change division name from "CBS News" to "CBS News-ish"
6. If anchor says anything inaccurate, earpiece delivers an electric shock.
5. Conclude each story with comical "Boing" sound effect.
4. Instead of boring Middle East reports, more Powerball drawings.
3. To play it safe, every "exclusive" story will be about how tasty pecan pie is.
2. Not sure how, but make CBS News more like "C.S.I."
... and the number one proposed change ...
1. Use beer, cash and hookers to lure Tom Brokaw out of retirement.[/quote]
Late Show home page: http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/
10. Stories must be corroborated by at least two really strong hunches.
9. "Evening News" pre-show staff cocktail hour is cancelled until further notice.
8. Reduce "60 Minutes" to more manageable 15-20 minutes.
7. Change division name from "CBS News" to "CBS News-ish"
6. If anchor says anything inaccurate, earpiece delivers an electric shock.
5. Conclude each story with comical "Boing" sound effect.
4. Instead of boring Middle East reports, more Powerball drawings.
3. To play it safe, every "exclusive" story will be about how tasty pecan pie is.
2. Not sure how, but make CBS News more like "C.S.I."
... and the number one proposed change ...
1. Use beer, cash and hookers to lure Tom Brokaw out of retirement.[/quote]
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[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']MBE the funny thing about the SBVT's was that other than their first ad claiming they saw differing viewpoints of Kerry's service than his official reocrds the remaining 3 could never be touched by the Kerry campaign.
He did claim before congress he was a war criminal and committed attrocities against the Vietnamese people. He did go to Paris and meet with North Vietnamese negotiatiors without being part of the official government negotiation team, a violation of the UCMJ and the Constitution. He did lie about throwing his medals over the Capitol fence. Veterans were greatly disturbed by his ilk and him in particular as slandering all U.S. soldiers.
They did tell the truth. They used Kerry's own words and statements to hang him.[/quote]
So veterans would rather support someone who gets his daddy's friends to get him into the Champagne Squad of the Texas National Guard and doesn't even finish his requirements rather than someone who actually fights in a war then protests it?
Or maybe they're just right-wing fanatics who were going to vote for Bush regardless of the facts.
He did claim before congress he was a war criminal and committed attrocities against the Vietnamese people. He did go to Paris and meet with North Vietnamese negotiatiors without being part of the official government negotiation team, a violation of the UCMJ and the Constitution. He did lie about throwing his medals over the Capitol fence. Veterans were greatly disturbed by his ilk and him in particular as slandering all U.S. soldiers.
They did tell the truth. They used Kerry's own words and statements to hang him.[/quote]
So veterans would rather support someone who gets his daddy's friends to get him into the Champagne Squad of the Texas National Guard and doesn't even finish his requirements rather than someone who actually fights in a war then protests it?
Or maybe they're just right-wing fanatics who were going to vote for Bush regardless of the facts.
To be honest, we don't know what happened with President Bush. The records aren't all there and specific accounts vary so much that there is no cohesive story. Kerry's accounts are a bit more recorded, but still a full picture isn't known. There were issues with both of their military records...some fishiness for both of them, the difference was that Kerry pissed off more people in the process than Bush did. Bottom line.
Back to this issue at hand, CBS...I've said it before and I'll say it again...
Back to this issue at hand, CBS...I've said it before and I'll say it again...
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[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']I had to post this, this was Letterman's top 10 ways to improve CBS news.[/quote]
Awesome, haha. :lol:
Awesome, haha. :lol:
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[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']I had to post this, this was Letterman's top 10 ways to improve CBS news.
Late Show home page: http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/
10. Stories must be corroborated by at least two really strong hunches.
9. "Evening News" pre-show staff cocktail hour is cancelled until further notice.
8. Reduce "60 Minutes" to more manageable 15-20 minutes.
7. Change division name from "CBS News" to "CBS News-ish"
6. If anchor says anything inaccurate, earpiece delivers an electric shock.
5. Conclude each story with comical "Boing" sound effect.
4. Instead of boring Middle East reports, more Powerball drawings.
3. To play it safe, every "exclusive" story will be about how tasty pecan pie is.
2. Not sure how, but make CBS News more like "C.S.I."
... and the number one proposed change ...
1. Use beer, cash and hookers to lure Tom Brokaw out of retirement.[/quote]
LOL
The problem is ALL news stations are wrong or lie. ABC had a specail 20/20 about these asshole murders that addmited numberous times they did it. Now they are saying otherwise ebcause they want to get out of jail and ABC just took the bad guys side (Like how CNN made a deal with the devil to stay in Iraq.) and reported it as fact. The thing was a joke.
Late Show home page: http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/
10. Stories must be corroborated by at least two really strong hunches.
9. "Evening News" pre-show staff cocktail hour is cancelled until further notice.
8. Reduce "60 Minutes" to more manageable 15-20 minutes.
7. Change division name from "CBS News" to "CBS News-ish"
6. If anchor says anything inaccurate, earpiece delivers an electric shock.
5. Conclude each story with comical "Boing" sound effect.
4. Instead of boring Middle East reports, more Powerball drawings.
3. To play it safe, every "exclusive" story will be about how tasty pecan pie is.
2. Not sure how, but make CBS News more like "C.S.I."
... and the number one proposed change ...
1. Use beer, cash and hookers to lure Tom Brokaw out of retirement.[/quote]
LOL
The problem is ALL news stations are wrong or lie. ABC had a specail 20/20 about these asshole murders that addmited numberous times they did it. Now they are saying otherwise ebcause they want to get out of jail and ABC just took the bad guys side (Like how CNN made a deal with the devil to stay in Iraq.) and reported it as fact. The thing was a joke.
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[quote name='Drocket']Rather good article about the ridiculousness of the whole thing[/quote]
Anyone who hasn't read this article should.
Anyone who hasn't read this article should.
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