Nah, then they become writers for Jezebel and we all suffer.
Horrible things have to sometimes happen in comics to keep the story moving and people interested. I'm sure people who loved Robin didn't wish for their hero to be beat to death with a crowbar (although enough did vote for it).
The issue isn't that something bad happened to A character, the issue is that something bad happened to a well-loved female superhero. There are a lot less of those to go around than male superheroes. Also, she didn't get hurt in the line of duty but in a typical "female gets victimized by villain" kinda way.
http://www.feministfrequency.com/2011/04/tropes-vs-women-2-women-in-refrigerators/
Turning Barbara Gordon into the Oracle wasn't the plan when Moore got the green light to "cripple the bitch." That's one difference. When other more prominent male characters died or got their backs broken or vaporized, they all came back as strong and healthy as ever. That's another difference. The point is that bad shit like this hardly ever happens to (white) male characters and female characters are all too often damsels in distress or in a fridge.
Being beaten and raped is usually reserved for females and males in prison. There's a difference when it happens to a notable character reduced to being objectified as a plot device. Walking Dead has it's own problems when it comes to race too.
The phenomenon existed long before it was given that name. Just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean it didn't exist regardless of wikipedia's influence on perception. "Dead Men Defrosting" existed before someone called it that too.
That would require him having an open mind to perspectives other than the one he formed long ago, which I'm not especially optimistic for after our recent interactions. Good to see someone on the same page in this thread, Dohdough.
Invinvincible is the main character super hero of his comic, Deadpool was the main character of his story and raped by Typhoid Mary, and Kid Miracleman was a 12 or 13 year old boy in an orphange/boys home.
I have an open mind to valid points. My views are constantly evolving with new information as everyone's should. I approach everything using the scientific method. My opinions are formed though research and experience.That would require him having an open mind to perspectives other than the one he formed long ago, which I'm not especially optimistic for after our recent interactions. Good to see someone on the same page in this thread, Dohdough.
Aren't they "taking away her power" by suggesting she is a victim? That was the point I was trying to make. If someone is anti war and they have violent protests, aren't they hypocrites?
Sloppy triple posting aside, arguments like that are perfect for Fox News. You seem to be largely on the same page as them anyway.
I've voted Democrat in every presidential election. I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I would gladly stay home and raise "the kids" if I had a wife that wanted to be the bread winner. I wouldn't view that as an attack on my masculinity. Ask yourself would a feminist feel the same way if the roles were reversed? You can't have it both ways. Most "feminists" are the equivalent of "fair weather fans". They are quiet when things benefit them, yet outraged when things do not. It is that hypocrisy that upsets me.
What happened to those characters isn't cliche...or at least not yet anyways. Imagine if a vast majority of male characters were raped and maimed in comics to the point of being trite. Well that's basically how it is for female characters. Is it better now with more leading ladies? Of course it is, but it doesn't mean things are good. Just look at the controversy over Wonder Woman's pants...as in the lack of them after being previewed WITH them.
What no one seems to grasp is we are dealing with a medium from a different time with a different demographic. Steps were taken to make comics more adult and socially conscious in the silver age (race,drug use,etc)...now they are going back in the direction of being for young adults. I looked over the list and it is unfortunate there are not dates. I think if people looked many of the references are modern, it may be an eye opener showing that this became a bigger go to story in modern comics.
LOLZ...ok, Mr. Spock.
First off, there's nothing wrong with being a victim. To imply that there's something wrong with it is to imply that the victim had some level of control over their victimization rather than blaming the perpetrator of the offending action.
Using micro-level examples is the exact opposite of looking at the big picture. Maybe you should stop using feminism at a pejorative and figure out what feminism is really about rather than a caricature of it.
I honestly can't remember too many times that women characters have been raped. The only two that I remember is Batigrl and John Constantine's niece by his evil half. I'll have to check some comic wiki's later but those are the only two that stick in my mind that I have read.
We're not that far removed from that time. There was a lot of pushback on ACA as well. If anything, I'd say that comics are more "adult" than ever. As for shifting demographics, comic buyers are more diverse than ever too. Those "adult" themes are just as relevant to modern teens as they were to teens in the 70's, 80's, 90's, etc because those issues exist whether we talk about them or not.What no one seems to grasp is we are dealing with a medium from a different time with a different demographic. Steps were taken to make comics more adult and socially conscious in the silver age (race,drug use,etc)...now they are going back in the direction of being for young adults. I looked over the list and it is unfortunate there are not dates. I think if people looked many of the references are modern, it may be an eye opener showing that this became a bigger go to story in modern comics.
I personally don't care if Wonder Woman has pants or not, but I find it interesting that women are upset about her old costume, when this is what "young girls" look up to:
In theory these are strong, successful women making a conscious decision not to wear pants on stage. I've read feminist articles saying that her wearing pants is anti-feminist and her not wearing pants is anti-feminist. This is where people get into murky waters for being too liberal, just like people that are too conservative.
Walking dead:
Are we supposed to believe there are more than 3 black people in Atlanta? :lol:
I don't know if they touched on this in the comics, but would it be possible that people of certain groups would stick together more than others? (Like in a prison scenario) I don't think it would be odd to run across a group of people that are all the same race or all women.
The basic tenet of feminism is that women should have social, economic, and political equality to men. How people go about it and express it will vary from person to person and no one way is the right way. Yeah, it's a little complicated, but not impossible to understand. Now that I have a daughter, I try even harder. We live in a patriarchal society and being a woman of color is tough. It's my job to prepare her for it and be stronger than she needs to be to live in it.
Are you sure that blog isn't satire? I think you should click on a few other entries, dude.
It is satire, but I agree with it. She may have written it ironically, but I believe it to be truthful based on my experience. I think it shows the inconstancy of the feminist movement. Satire doesn't exist without truth.
I'm not taking part in either side of this argument but the "you sound like Fox News" attempt at a retort is just so incredibly lazy and hackneyed. The same goes for anyone who replaces it with MSNBC. Get some new material.
That's the main reason I gave up on it. The same people saying, "Your argument is unenlightened and incorrect; learn to change your views" are ironically the same who hypocritically defend their opposing viewpoint as the one and only way.
That's what it sounded like. DohDough already gave him a lengthy response, and he failed to absorb the information. I could write a thousand words on something but if I know it's not going into the recipient's head, it's not worth the time. Also,
Fox News.
You know that The Colbert Report is making fun of conservatives and not some meta comedy news show making fun of liberals, right?
You know what I find irritating? When people use terms without knowing what they mean. Willful ignorance looks good on nobody.
Someone promoting relying on stereotypes is completely different from someone promoting NOT relying on stereotypes. You're making a false equivalence. It's not equivalent nor is it hypocritical and not all opinions are equal.
I understand the Colbert report and there have been times I watched and saw something that was true/joke that actually applied to liberals. You know, the jokes that make you go, "yeah that is actually true about us".
I'm glad it showed up Matt. I have yet to order anything this year. I highly doubt I'll have much of a budget in 2015 for comics. The good news is that I have a pretty big backlog to get through.
My brother picked up the hardcover set for himself during Christmas at Costco on the cheap. Anyone else find good deals on comics at Costco?
I have no problem when people are critical of a medium. What I find annoying is what the "discussion" usually turns into.
I'm surprised a mod hasn't already stepped in. Your suggestion is probably for the best, though, I wonder how many members will actually bother continuing the discussion elsewhere.
A weak rationalization. For someone who appears to hold Fox News in such contempt, you seem awfully sure about the width and breadth of their content which would require large amounts of viewing of a product you have no regard for. Seems more than a bit far-fetched. This can probably just be chalked up to going with a trite sound bite instead of a thought out reply.Here's a good story on the issues that people have with the Batgirl cover. It's not too outraged or anything; it just lists why people think the cover is not a good idea:
http://io9.com/the-real-problems-with-this-controversial-batgirl-cove-1692184909
That's what it sounded like. DohDough already gave him a lengthy response, and he failed to absorb the information. I could write a thousand words on something but if I know it's not going into the recipient's head, it's not worth the time. Also,
I have not seen Meteor Man, but what do you guys think of the 2012 Dredd movie? Got the 3D Blu-ray from Best Buy last night pretty much free after $10 reward certificate.
The movie thread is this way----->>>https://www.cheapassgamer.com/topic/210303-surprisingly-the-last-movie-you-saw-didnt-suck-pt-2/
I'm not sure what you mean by "what the 'discussion' usually turns into."
Read the lasts few posts by Matt Young in regard to the discussion. That's how I feel about it. Being a CBR member, you see these types of discussions pop up almost daily. They usually last a day or two before getting locked.
As someone who has never read a Dredd comic in his life I found it enjoyable as a straight up action movie. Trapped in an apartment complex and having to fight your way up with nothing, but your side arm. The main thing that might be a turn off is the excessive body count.
Wow, the ignore feature is REALLY buried nowadays. Ah well, I found it eventually.
