Deals on PS3 Slim and Xbox 360 S consoles. Wait for holidays?

ElektroDragon

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I am in the position where I'd like to buy a new Xbox 360 S 250GB (replacing my noisy old one), and a new PS3 Slim 160GB (second unit for the wife). However, I don't want any Move or Kinect bundles, and I'm not seeing any good "game in box" bundles this year aside from the Halo Reach bundle, which I am not interested in.

Should I pay full retail for the plain consoles now, or wait to see if some better deal shows up in November?

Does anyone know if there are going to be any nice bundles this year with games, or will it all be Move/Kinect? Thanks...
 
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