GM says Chevy Volt electric car gets 230 miles per gallon in city

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WARREN, Michigan — General Motors Corp. said Tuesday its Chevrolet Volt rechargeable electric car should get 230 miles per gallon (98 kilometers per liter) of gasoline in city driving, more than four times the current champion, the Toyota Prius.

The Volt is powered by an electric motor and a battery pack with a 40-mile (65-kilometer) range. After that, a small internal combustion engine kicks in to generate electricity for a total range of 300 miles (480 kilometers). The battery pack can be recharged from a standard home outlet.

GM is marketing the 230-mile (370-kilometer) figure following early tests using draft guidelines from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency for calculating the mileage of extended range electric vehicles.

The EPA guidelines, developed with guidance from automakers, figure that cars like the Volt will travel more on straight electricity in the city than on the highway. If a person drives the Volt less than 40 miles (65 kilometers), in theory they could go without using gasoline.

Highway mileage estimates – which are generally higher than city ones – for the Volt have yet to be released using the EPA's methodology.
"We are confident the highway (mileage) will be a triple-digit composite," GM CEO Fritz Henderson said.

If the figure is confirmed by the EPA, which does the tests for the mileage posted on new car door stickers, the Volt would be the first car to exceed triple-digit gas mileage.

EPA said in a statement Tuesday that it has not tested a Volt "and therefore cannot confirm the fuel economy values claimed by GM." The agency said it applauded "GM's commitment to designing and building the car of the future – an American made car that will save families money, significantly reduce our dependence on foreign oil and create good-paying American jobs."

GM has produced about 30 Volts so far and is making 10 a week, CEO Fritz Henderson said during a presentation of the vehicle at the company's technical center in the Detroit suburb of Warren.

Henderson said charging the volt will cost about 40 cents a day, at approximately 5 cents per kilowatt hour.

Most automakers are working similar plug-in designs, but GM could be the leader with the Volt, which is due in showrooms late in 2010.

Toyota's Prius, the most efficient car now sold in the U.S., gets 48 miles per gallon (20 kilometers per liter) of gas. It is a gas-electric hybrid that runs on a small internal combustion engine assisted by a battery-powered electric motor to save gasoline.

Although Henderson would not give details on pricing, the first-generation Volt is expected to cost near $40,000, making it cost-prohibitive to many people even if gasoline returns to $4 per gallon.

The price is expected to drop with future generations of the Volt, but GM has said government tax credits of up to $7,500 and the savings on fuel could make it cost-effective, especially at 230 miles per gallon (98 kilometers per liter).

"We get a little cautious about trying to forecast what fuel prices will do," said Tony Posawatz, GM's vehicle line director for the Volt. "We achieved this number and if fuel prices go up, it certainly does get more attractive even in the near-term generation."

Figures for the Volt's combined city/highway mileage have not yet been calculated, Posawatz said. The combined mileage will be in the triple digits as well, he said, but both combined and highway will be worse than city because the engine runs more on longer highway trips.

The mileage figure could vary as the guidelines are refined and the Volt gets further along in the manufacturing process, Posawatz said.
GM is nearly halfway through building about 80 Volts that will look and behave like the production model, and testing is running on schedule, Posawatz said.

Two critical areas, battery life and the electronic switching between battery and engine power, are still being refined, but the car is on schedule to reach showrooms late in 2010, he said.

GM is simulating tests to make sure the new lithium-ion batteries last 10 years, Posawatz said, as well as testing battery performance in extremely hot and cold climates.

"We're further along, but we're still quite a ways from home," he said. "We're developing quite a knowledge base on all this stuff. Our confidence is growing."

The other area of new technology, switching between battery and engine power, is proceeding well, he said, with engineers just fine-tuning the operations.

"We're very pleased with the transition from when it's driving EV (electric vehicle) to when the engine and generator kick in," he said.

GM also is finishing work on the power cord, which will be durable enough that it can survive being run over by the car. The Volt, he said, will have software on board so it can be programmed to begin and end charging during off-peak electrical use hours.

It will be easy for future Volt owners living in rural and suburban areas to plug in their cars at night, but even Henderson recognized the challenge urban, apartment dwellers, or those that park their car on the street might have recharging the Volt. There could eventually be charging stations set up by a third-party to meet such a demand, Henderson said.

Chrysler Group, Ford Motor Co. and Daimler AG are all developing plug-ins and electric cars, and Toyota Motor Corp. is working on a plug-in version of its gas-electric hybrid system. Nissan Motor Co. announced last month that it would begin selling an electric vehicle in Japan and the U.S. next year.[/QUOTE]

If true, this is great news for GM... It's exactly what they needed to turn this company around. Plus it looks sexier than the Prius. ;)
Let's just hope this car is well built, and doesn't turn into a lemon a few years down.
 
Not really that controversial, but pretty neat.

And I really don't think rolling out a new car at 40k is going to save your company in todays day and age.
 
Of course, now it's been pushed back to an "undisclosed" month and year.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/11/chevy-volt-nabs-shaky-230-mpg-rating-might-not-ship-in-2010/

And the 230 MPG figure is bullshit, as to be expected from GM.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/08/11/autos/volt_mpg/?postversion=2009081108

Fuel economy for hybrid vehicles like the Toyota Prius is displayed in the same way as it is for any other gasoline-powered vehicle. It gets 46 mpg, for example, versus 19 mpg for a V-6 Ford Mustang.

That standard works because all the energy used by the Prius ultimately comes from burning gasoline. The Prius just uses that energy more efficiently than other cars do.

The Chevrolet Volt, on other hand, runs on electricity that comes from two sources -- a battery as well as a gasoline engine.

When gasoline is providing the power, the Volt might get as much as 50 mpg. But that mpg figure would not take into account that the car has already gone 40 miles with no gas at all.

So let's say the car is driven 50 miles in a day. For the first 40 miles, no gas is used and during the last 10 miles, 0.2 gallons are used. That's the equivalent of 250 miles per gallon. But, if the driver continues on to 80 miles, total fuel economy would drop to about 100 mpg. And if the driver goes 300 miles, the fuel economy would be just 62.5 mpg.

The Volt will need to be plugged in at night to recharge. The company said it estimates it will need 10 kilowatt hours for the recharge necessary to travel 40 miles. That should cost a total of about 40 cents at off-peak electricity rates in Detroit, Henderson said.

The EPA rating for the Volt is based on a draft report and applies to city driving. Henderson said GM is confident that when Volt's combined city/highway mileage average is calculated, it will be over 100 mpg.

But GM is obviously focused on the 230 mpg estimate as part of its early marketing campaign for the vehicle. It unveiled a logo with the number 230, with the zero looking like a cross between a smiley face and electrical plug.
 
Definitely a step in the right direction, especially for US automakers.

Prices will just take a while to come down. At least there's a $7,500 tax credit to help initially. But it will be a while before it's priced to be a mainstream item or even sell on par with the Prius's past sales.

Another barrier will be finding a way for people who live in apartments, condos etc. to plug them in as such people don't have access to outside outlets that are billed to their units (and would be problems with keeping people from plugging into other's outlet's if they were installed etc.).

That would be a barrier to me as I doubt I'll buy a house anytime soon. But my current car is only a little under 2 years old, so buy the time I'm ready to buy a new car I'll probably be settled down and may have a house by then (if I decide to move out of the city) and prices will have fallen.
 
its a good start, maybe in 5-10 years the technology can improve and become common enough to bring the cost down to more of a joe america price. 40k is a bit too rich for me (and a lot of people), if i were going to go for a hybrid id probably go with the civic hybrid which (i believe) can be had for around 25k.


@DOK to be fair they did say 230mpg city, which is generally going to be under 50 miles commuting.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']

And the 230 MPG figure is bullshit, as to be expected from GM.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/08/11/autos/volt_mpg/?postversion=2009081108[/QUOTE]

[quote name='RAMSTORIA']
@DOK to be fair they did say 230mpg city, which is generally going to be under 50 miles commuting.[/QUOTE]


Yep, pretty unfair to expect the Volt to be a miracle. Technology isn't up there, but who's expecting to drive 300 miles a day?

Yes there are times where people have to drive that far, but considering average day to day, it's to work, from work, and then to the supermarket.

I think it is a good step forward. Just wish it didn't come with a $40k sticker price.

I won't get one now considering I've got a 30+mpg vehicle.


oh and I finally found out what those stupid 230 commercials were about... driving me NUTS.


I think the first thing they need to do is up the battery time to at least 60mpc (miles per charged).
 
Sure, $40k is high but if it works even half as well as advertised your cost of ownership with gasoline will drag it down to $32k easily which is pretty average for a decent car.

I'd still love to get my hands on one of those Tesla Roadsters but they're over $100k which I just can't justify in the least for myself.
 
Exactly. Plug in Hybrid's real advantage is in daily commute's. Mine's about 10 miles, maybe a bit more if I have to run errands etc., so I'd seldom ever need to use gas. But with a plug in hybrid at least you have the ability to use gas and drive unlimited miles when the need arises--unlike with purely electric cars.

So I'm definitely interested in one down the road when prices drop and I have a place to plug in etc.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Exactly. Plug in Hybrid's real advantage is in daily commute's. Mine's about 10 miles, maybe a bit more if I have to run errands etc., so I'd seldom ever need to use gas. But with a plug in hybrid at least you have the ability to use gas and drive unlimited miles when the need arises--unlike with purely electric cars.

So I'm definitely interested in one down the road when prices drop and I have a place to plug in etc.[/QUOTE]

my commute to work and back is 15 miles, i go to the grocery store or a restaurant every once in awhile, so somedays it might be 25, 30 miles. i rarely drive more than 40 miles a day.
 
Yeah, I live 4 miles or so from work, and go to a gym about a half mile out of the way, so about 10 for me. Living and working in-city restaurants and grocery stores etc. don't add much since there are several with in 1-3 miles of both my home and work. And my girlfriend lives about a mile away. So I seldom have more than 15 miles in a day.

I do drive more than 40 miles fairly often. Especially before I moved recently since I lived in the DC/Baltimore subburbs and had friends all over the metro area. Now I drive 40-50 miles once a week or so since some of my girlfriends family lives about 25 miles or so away in the north suburbs. And I'll drive a few hundred miles a few times a year to go the the beach etc. where it's cheaper/more convenient to drive rather than fly.

So I do care about having the ability to drive unlimited distances and would probably never buy a sheerly electric car.
 
i wouldnt want a sheerly electric car either. i make longer than 40 mile drives, maybe once or twice a month, a day trip to the indian casino or to visit family/friends in the bay area, so those wouldnt be a big deal. but i also make some long drives, not regularly, but maybe once or twice a year.... vegas, 500mi, LA, 300mi, san luis obispo 200 mi, salt lake city 700mi... and even if when they get electric cars up to 100, 200, even 300 miles on a charge, it still would be a pain to have to dock up and charge for a night (assuming it took that long) everytime i made one of those long trips. but like i said in my first post, its a good start and hopefully in about 10 years itll be much much better.
 
Practically, though, does anyone here really want to have to stop for gas *and* plug in their car every night to recharge? Sounds like a hassle with a huge pricetag, and if you drive a decent amount every day the MPG figure is baloney.
 
[quote name='Ruined']Practically, though, does anyone here really want to have to stop for gas *and* plug in their car every night to recharge? Sounds like a hassle with a huge pricetag, and if you drive a decent amount every day the MPG figure is baloney.[/QUOTE]

Well it's not a hassle if you have a garage. Not a big deal to just stick a plug in when you get out of the car each night. And you'd be gassing up a lot less. But yes, it is hassle if you don't have a garage or outside power outlet near the driveway etc. And near impossible for apartment/condo dwellers as I noted above.

And it really is only appealing to those of us with short commutes--the real appeal is for us city dwellers that don't drive more than 20-30 miles a day very often since everything is pretty close by. But again the condo/apartment problem hurts there.

But I do agree that the price is too much...but again all new technology is too pricey for mainstream adoption when it comes out and prices will fall.
 
The funny thing about all the proponents of electric cars is they like to argue that the power to run the car comes from magical pixy dust. People do realize that they actually have to pay for the electricity don't they, and it's mostly being generated by evil coal and gas? It's not like the electric company sees that you're plugging in the car and gives it to you for free.
 
[quote name='deathscythehe']The funny thing about all the proponents of electric cars is they like to argue that the power to run the car comes from magical pixy dust. People do realize that they actually have to pay for the electricity don't they, and it's mostly being generated by evil coal and gas? It's not like the electric company sees that you're plugging in the car and gives it to you for free.[/QUOTE]

Of course. Though electric for charging almost certainly be cheaper than gas.

But environmentally, it's dependent on having clean sources of electricity. In a perfect world I could have a solor panel on my house (and store power for night and cloudy days and sell extra to the power company) and a plug in hybrid for an affordable price. Hopefully we'll get there sometime in my lifetime.
 
[quote name='Ruined']Practically, though, does anyone here really want to have to stop for gas *and* plug in their car every night to recharge? Sounds like a hassle with a huge pricetag, and if you drive a decent amount every day the MPG figure is baloney.[/QUOTE]
My entire world is within about 5 miles of me. I go months without driving 40 miles in a sitting. I wouldn't see a gas station but a couple of times a year.

$40k is a bit steep though. I'll jump in around revision 2 or 3.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Of course. Though electric for charging almost certainly be cheaper than gas.

But environmentally, it's dependent on having clean sources of electricity. In a perfect world I could have a solor panel on my house (and store power for night and cloudy days and sell extra to the power company) and a plug in hybrid for an affordable price. Hopefully we'll get there sometime in my lifetime.[/QUOTE]

Have you researched where and how they get the materials to make the batteries? It seems not.
 
[quote name='Ruined']Practically, though, does anyone here really want to have to stop for gas *and* plug in their car every night to recharge? Sounds like a hassle with a huge pricetag, and if you drive a decent amount every day the MPG figure is baloney.[/QUOTE]

Hope you don't have a cell phone. You'd hate it. Gotta plug it in nightly and everything.
 
[quote name='Ruined']Have you researched where and how they get the materials to make the batteries? It seems not.[/QUOTE]

Nope. I'm not a hard core environmentalist, so I'm more into saving money on gas than that aspect of it. Not polluting is a plus, but I'm sure there are catches to the batteries.

But I doubt what ever negatives there are with the battery could come close to all the problems of oil/gas--pollution, dependence on foreign oil, damage to the environment from drilling etc. etc.

But I do worry about waste from batteries that have to be disposed off/recycled at some point.

But it is something I'd read up on before ever buying one. No interest in spending time on it now as I'm probably a decade (or close to it) from buying such a car anyway. And maybe hydrogen or some other alternative will prove more viable by then.
 
[quote name='Ruined']Practically, though, does anyone here really want to have to stop for gas *and* plug in their car every night to recharge? Sounds like a hassle with a huge pricetag, and if you drive a decent amount every day the MPG figure is baloney.[/QUOTE]
Oh, hey, we already have that up here.

It's called "winter". Not really a big deal.
 
I can't poo poo this idea.

IF GM releases this car, I'm looking forward to it.

$40K is a lot for a car, but it is to be expected. GM wants to recover their money as quickly as possible. If they make their money back, they can be more aggressive about battery size and remove all of those gasoline related parts.

If anybody really wants to go full electric, they could pay somebody to convert practically any 5 year old car to DC power for less than $20K and have a better range.

...

Does anybody ever make better excuses to not go electric?

1. Plugging in a cable takes less time than sticking a gas nozzle in. Granted, refueling takes longer. You can park the car at night and go to sleep OR you can park the car at work and go to work for eight hours. I know most parking lots don't have electric outlets. It could take a skilled electrician a few hours to install covered electrical outlets at the base of a parking lot light pole.

2. Battery materials are toxic. I remember reading in an electric car conversion book that roughly ten pounds of toxic lead are produced for every 1,000 lbs of batteries. Nickel mines are toxic whether one is mining it for stainless steel or NiMH batteries. Maybe we should go back to iron bridges, too. Lithium is corrosive unless it is stored properly just like the bleach I have stored in my laundry room.

3. The power charging the batteries is dirty. Which argument do you prefer: 1 smokestack vs. 1 million tailpipes?, the consumer can choose where their power comes from but not their gas? or we have 200 years of coal reserves vs. 200 days of oil reserves?

...

I won't argue that everybody needs to drive an electric car. If you've got the money to burn, find somebody with an electric vehicle and try it out. You might like it now or you might need gas to be $10 per gallon to learn to like it.
 
Again, the main argument against pure electric vehicles will always be range.

It's nice to have the freedom to drive unlimited distance. Not everyone is a family man like you that never goes anywhere. :D

I see plug in hybrids as the best current solution as I could be 100% electric for the majority of my driving, but still have the ability to drive however far I need to without having to worry about it, or get a rental car etc. Just seems ideal to me. *shrugs*

But we've had this argument many times in the past, so I guess no need to really get into it again.
 
Just pointing these out but...

1. You do know even though we would be running on electric the act of creating electric still means the use of fossil fuel. More so if there are more and more electric.

2. Can the system support all those electric cars being recharged?
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']Just pointing these out but...

1. You do know even though we would be running on electric the act of creating electric still means the use of fossil fuel. More so if there are more and more electric.[/QUOTE]

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=wind+turbine&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g10&fp=7MCNwvs4NB0

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=buy+solar+panels&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g10&fp=7MCNwvs4NB0

[quote name='VipFREAK'] 2. Can the system support all those electric cars being recharged?[/QUOTE]

Let me help you out here.

The main problem with the electrical grid is transporting a huge amount of power from some plant 100 miles away to your house. If you install a wind turbine or a solar array on your property or in a nearby abandoned lot, the grid doesn't lose some of the power getting to your house.

If somebody waves a magic wand and 10 million electric car appear instantly, the electrical grid could have problems.

If electric car driver buys some power generation equipment when buying the car, the electrical grid won't notice.
 
Yeah the electric problem can go away overtime with the adoption of a system based more on electric generation at each household and apartment/condo complex with wind, solar etc. than large grid systems based on coal, nuclear power etc.

None of these changes are going to happen over night, it will be a long and gradual process.

The benefit of plug in hybrids and electric cars in the short term will mainly be saving money on gas (once the costs of the cars fall to a reasonable level) rather than the environment. But even now, I'm skeptical that the reduction in pollution from cars burning gas less wouldn't still be more than the added pollution from more electricity use.
 
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[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']
I know most parking lots don't have electric outlets. It could take a skilled electrician a few hours to install covered electrical outlets at the base of a parking lot light pole.
[/QUOTE]

Missed that the first time I read your post...

Problem with that is who pays for the electric? Especially in a public lot. Is there a credit card reader on the poll with the electric outlet/meter? If so what stops someone from driving in, plugging in their car and charging for a bit while you're at work?

It's a problem I mentioned earlier with apartment complexes and condos. No outside outlets, and if you do have them you have to deal with people plugging into other units parking spot outlets to not have to pay for their electric etc. I mean you could put locks on the covers etc., but those would get cut pretty often any way I'd suspect.

So it's really only viable for people with single family homes IMO where outlets can be in the garage or driveway.
 
Yeah, I guess Dmaul is handling what I would've... said although I was just going on what I remember the news saying a while ago.

GM, seems like they just assumed if they made something "green" it would just work out and they'd be saved or look like savors for us all when in fact they look like idiots once again.
 
I don't think they look like idiots. It seems like a pretty solid, first generation plug in hybrid to me.

Prices will always be high, and features less than ideal with any first generation technology.

But it's a solid first effort and should sell pretty well to the upper middle class and upper class environmentally conscious folk and hopefully do well enough that they can work on the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and beyond generation cars and improve technology and cut costs and make a product more affordable for the middle class and below.
 
The same company that is keeping most of all the shitty cars they make while dumping the ones they don't make but that do sell and are "affordable"... aka OPEL (saturn) and Holden (Pontiac). Smart real smart...
 
Most of those moves were stupid, but this is not.

The American companies aren't going to beat the Civic, Corolla etc. etc. Too many years of putting out shitty product compared to foreign makes (my last two cars have been Japanese personally--Subaru Impreza and Mazda 3).

They have to go Green and beat foreign makers to the punch if they're going to rebound and compete. And the Volt is a damn good first effort IMO.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']
They have to go Green and beat foreign makers to the punch if they're going to rebound and compete. And the Volt is a damn good first effort IMO.[/QUOTE]

I feel like they are beyond that... they can't compete, they are barely surviving.

I'll say it once and I'll say it again (goes for all car companies). Why can't they just reincarnate great old cars via the Hachi Roku or Datsun 510 and stick a electric or even a hybrid engine in it and sell it for cheap? They will sell like hotcakes.

Here's another example.

Mitsubishi-Concept-CT_2006_photo_01.jpg
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Missed that the first time I read your post...

Problem with that is who pays for the electric? Especially in a public lot. Is there a credit card reader on the poll with the electric outlet/meter? If so what stops someone from driving in, plugging in their car and charging for a bit while you're at work?

It's a problem I mentioned earlier with apartment complexes and condos. No outside outlets, and if you do have them you have to deal with people plugging into other units parking spot outlets to not have to pay for their electric etc. I mean you could put locks on the covers etc., but those would get cut pretty often any way I'd suspect.

So it's really only viable for people with single family homes IMO where outlets can be in the garage or driveway.[/QUOTE]

Let's say there are 1000 cars plugged into outlets in a parking lot. Each car spent 10kWh to get there. That's 10,000kWh. Under current prices, that's $1000. Not chump change, but it's only $1 per car per day. If one parks in a building like my wife does, you tack it on to the parking fee she splits with her employer. If one parks in an open lot like my employer's, slope the ground so all water runs away from the parking lots. If an unauthorized vehicle is parked in the lot, send an email out advising the car will be towed unless somebody claims it. Apartment complex? Tack it on to monthly rent. $30 at the apartment complex or $60 at the gas pump. Condos? More monthly homeowner fees.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Hope you don't have a cell phone. You'd hate it. Gotta plug it in nightly and everything.[/QUOTE]

You might wanna look into getting a new battery \\:D/
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']
It's a problem I mentioned earlier with apartment complexes and condos. No outside outlets, and if you do have them you have to deal with people plugging into other units parking spot outlets to not have to pay for their electric etc. I mean you could put locks on the covers etc., but those would get cut pretty often any way I'd suspect.[/QUOTE]

This would be a solution to that problem.

 
[quote name='VipFREAK']I feel like they are beyond that... they can't compete, they are barely surviving.

I'll say it once and I'll say it again (goes for all car companies). Why can't they just reincarnate great old cars via the Hachi Roku or Datsun 510 and stick a electric or even a hybrid engine in it and sell it for cheap? They will sell like hotcakes.

Here's another example.

Mitsubishi-Concept-CT_2006_photo_01.jpg
[/QUOTE]

That's a pretty ugly car IMO.
 
[quote name='woodraskam']This would be a solution to that problem.
[/QUOTE]

Believe it or not, I don't like it.

The average car is driven 12,000 miles a year. An OK electric car can get 100 miles on a charge for about $2-3. So, the electric bill on a car is $200-$300 annually.

This meter will cost money. Tracking electrical usage will cost money. Employing a collector just for unpaid car electric bills will cost money.

More is less in this instance.
 
The success of this car ultimately depends on the price of gas when its released. If gas is around $4.00/gallon, this car will sell well.

Either way, I think this is a step in the right direction. Hopefully other car companies will follow Chevy's lead and release plug in hybrid cars in the US.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Believe it or not, I don't like it.

The average car is driven 12,000 miles a year. An OK electric car can get 100 miles on a charge for about $2-3. So, the electric bill on a car is $200-$300 annually.

This meter will cost money. Tracking electrical usage will cost money. Employing a collector just for unpaid car electric bills will cost money.

More is less in this instance.[/QUOTE]

Actually as long as these collectors are within range of cell phones coverage, the system could piggy back on the current cell phone system like the kindle currently does, and the people who provide the electricity outlets would be responsible for making this connection. Then it would be like the current gas system, where you can see how much you're spending on electricity as it charges.

The more I think of it, the more I want to help design the system.:)
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']
The average car is driven 12,000 miles a year. An OK electric car can get 100 miles on a charge for about $2-3. So, the electric bill on a car is $200-$300 annually.
[/QUOTE]

Well 200-300 is cheap comparing that to gas.

For a vehicle that gets around 20mpg, that would roughly be $1650 annually.

I'm sure "taxes" and government standards, and of course the Electric companies wouldn't mind setting something up.

even at closer to 1/4 the price of gas, $400 annually is CHEAP... far cheaper than maybe most Cags pay for new games per year.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Let's say there are 1000 cars plugged into outlets in a parking lot. Each car spent 10kWh to get there. That's 10,000kWh. Under current prices, that's $1000. Not chump change, but it's only $1 per car per day. If one parks in a building like my wife does, you tack it on to the parking fee she splits with her employer. If one parks in an open lot like my employer's, slope the ground so all water runs away from the parking lots. If an unauthorized vehicle is parked in the lot, send an email out advising the car will be towed unless somebody claims it. Apartment complex? Tack it on to monthly rent. $30 at the apartment complex or $60 at the gas pump. Condos? More monthly homeowner fees.[/QUOTE]

Most are fair options. But it is a problem for people who park in free public lots (say people who work in a shopping mall etc.) as it would be hard to have plugs there.

But you're other options are reasonable. Only problem with apartments and condos would be non-residents parking their cars and using the outlets. But that could be minimized by having gated lots and visible permits with strict towing enforcement.

[quote name='woodraskam']This would be a solution to that problem.

[/QUOTE]

That would still be problematic as people could steal your meter and use it for a while until canceled. And that will happen a lot. Anything of value left in visible areas (inside or outside the car) is going to get stolen frequently in urban areas.
 
It'd be an expense to come up with, buy how about some type of "parking meter" system - you plug your car into the meter, put money into it (including taxes for mileage!) and your car gets charged based on how much money you put into the meter.
 
That would be a possibility.

But really, the better thing is to just have plug in hybrids (or build in solar panels on the roofs etc.). Just give cars someway to recharge themselves and/or run on fuel etc. when the battery dies.

It will still be full electric all the time for most people who don't drive more than the range each day--especially as ranges improve--and plug in at home each night.

It doesn't really make sense to go to all this expense of outfitting parking garages and parking lots etc. IMO. The technology will get there eventually so that the majority of people don't need to charge other than at home.

One place that would need them I guess would be Hotels/Motels so people can charge overnight when traveling. But not really needed around the city etc., especially as ranges improve.


But I really like the idea of Plug In Hybrids personally as it's just great to be all electric for daily commute but have no worries or hassles about driving longer, or getting up and realizing you forgot to plug in (or being stuck during a long power outage etc.).
 
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Yesterday, the General Motors claimed that the much-anticipated Chevy Volt would get 230 miles per gallon. As some critics have pointed out, the 230 MPG calculation is a bit misleading -- for one, the Volt's gas engine only kicks in after 40 miles of battery driving. But, GM is certainly counting on the Volt to serve as evidence that it has reconnected with consumer tastes and the vehicle is believed to be a direct attack against Toyota's Prius.

As the Christian Science Monitor points out, Nissan is laughing at GM's entry into the plug-in hybrid space. Using the same formula as GM, Nissan claims 367 miles per gallon for its Leaf. In fact, yesterday Nissan took at shot at the Volt on its Twitter feed:

"Nissan Leaf = 367 mpg, no tailpipe, and no gas required. Oh yeah, and it'll be affordable too,"

Like the Chevy Volt, the Leaf isn't due to hit the market until 2011 . Wired suggests that the Leaf will cost about $25,000 compared to the Volt's estimated $40,000 sticker price. Nissan also claims the Leaf will get 100 miles per battery charge, while the Volt gets just 40.


Despite Nissan's claims, the Chevy Volt offers a serious, if hard to calculate, savings over old-fashioned driving costs. Here's U.S. News & World Report's Rick Newman:

[quote name='Rick Newman']"GM says a 40-mile charge will cost about 40 cents at current electricity rates, which means you'd spend $1.20 to drive 100 miles. In a gas-powered car averaging a healthy 30 MPG, by comparison, you'd spend $10 in gas to go 100 miles, if gas cost $3 per gallon. That's 8 times more costly than driving on the Volt's battery power alone, but the real cost to drivers will depend on how much driving is powered by each type of fuel."[/QUOTE]



WATCH this review of Nissan's Leaf from IDG:

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Hmmm, GM has competition! Leaf's kinda fulgy though...;)
 
I love the induction charging station they showed with the Leaf. I hope the car companies can decide on a standard induction charging station for all hybrid and electric cars.

They could but a strip of these on the road or on the side of the road so you can charge while driving. One step closer to making F-Zero a reality.
 
lol @ the dash charging indicator lights.

:Facepalm: I'm sorry, I'm fine with charge indicator lights on my shaver and I'm fine with pushing a start button to turn on my computer but... these things on a car? FAIL.


Also, why the hell do "green" cars have to look so damn butt ugly... ?
 
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