Grad Student gets punished for rejecting a teacher's invite to a lesbo flick!!

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Okay listen to this fucked up story. Even now I can't believe this utter bullshit.

A grad student got an email from one of his teachers inviting him to watch a lesbo flick. He was obviously disgusted and replied:

"Do not send me any mail about 'Connie and Sally' and 'Adam and Steve.' These are perversions. The absence of God in higher education brings on confusion. That is why in these classes the Creator of the heavens and the earth is never mentioned."

The teacher then went to the board and had the university punish the student for harrassment. She stated that she didn't feel safe being in the same room with the student. WTF?? The school also stated that the use of the word "perversion" was harrassment. Double WTF??

Can you fucking believe that?? What is this world coming to? I'm sure this has nothing to do with the rampant radical liberalism that infensts our institutions of higher learning and the utter hatred for anything that has to do with God.

:puke:
 
I am sorry but I cannot believe any story where the guys name is Jihad Daniel and they don't spell defense right.

If this is true I can see where they should not have reprimanded him, but as an employee of the school he definately should have worded the e-mail nicely. If he was singled out with the e-mail I would have more sympathy, but he was not.

Also the e-mail was sent in March and this story is just breaking? One has to wonder when he sent the e-mail as I doubt it took five months for a claim of harassment to be processed.

Also if conservatives really feel schools are so liberal, why don't they start taking jobs in them to change things?
 
The absence of God in higher education brings on confusion.
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With a statement like that I wonder what he was doing at the University in the first place, I'm sure there are plenty of positions left at Bob Jones University.
 
Not only that!

On the same site::lol: :lol:

Whirlwind of ControversyMany thoughtful families are caught in the whirlwind of controversy over the wildly popularHarry Potter series of books by Joanne K. Rowling. That is, are these series of novels just harmless, imaginative, children's adventure stories or do they condition young readers to be more open to the occult and serious witchcraft?

It is not easy to answer these questions. Strongly pro-family spokesmen have come out on both sides of the issue.

A clue might be that the establishment media and entertainment industry are ecstatic about Harry Potter. The almost universal enthusiasm from the generally anti-family mainstream media should cause families to pause and at least take a careful look at all the arguments.

It is hoped that the following material will provide quality alternative food for thought to help parents and others to discern the best response to Harry Potter.
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I think we all know the "best response"
 
I am sorry but I cannot believe any story where the guys name is Jihad Daniel and they don't spell defense right.
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A state university in New Jersey has reprimanded a student-employee for describing homosexuality as a "perversion" in a private e-mail that he sent a female professor, after she sent him an unsolicited announcement about a university event that promoted lesbian relationships.

Correction: He apparently isn't Christian, but rather a muslim. So you liberals will probably take his side now.
 
[quote name='camoor']Not only that!

On the same site::lol: :lol:



I think we all know the "best response"
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Oh, geez, this is just the same shit that was going on about D&D and to that I say,

"I cast Magic Missile."

"But what are you attacking? There's nothing there."

"I'm attacking... the dark!" *geeky laughter*

http://www.cybermoonstudios.com/8bitDandD.html
 
[quote name='Scrubking']A state university in New Jersey has reprimanded a student-employee for describing homosexuality as a "perversion" in a private e-mail that he sent a female professor, after she sent him an unsolicited announcement about a university event that promoted lesbian relationships.

Correction: He apparently isn't Christian, but rather a muslim. So you liberals will probably take his side now.[/QUOTE]
When you said "lesbo flick", I assumed you meant porn, in which case both parties would've been wrong (the teacher way more so). But if it was just a homosexuality awareness thing, then the student is wrong.

I'm thinking that the email that he received was a mass-email advertising the event, and he chose to be an ass about it and respond to it.

Sound like he got what he deserved, a good shot in the 'chops. Not for his oppinion even, just not to open his mouth when it isn't called for.
 
Jihad Daniel is a Muslim grad-student at William Paterson University . He received a mass e-mail from a professor inviting him to a film about lesbian relationships. At the bottom of the note it said to reply, and so he did. Greg Lukianoff is with the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education ( FIRE ).

“This is all he said. Do not send me any e-mail about ‘Connie and Sally’ and ‘Adam and Steve.’ These are perversions. The absence of God in higher education brings on confusion that is why in these classes the Creator of the heavens and the earth is never mentioned.”

The private response from Mr. Daniel to the professor in the women’s studies department triggered the fireworks.

“The professor who sent the e-vite to everyone claimed that she felt threatened and that this was harassment and discrimination.”

Further corroberation and pwnage.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']When you said "lesbo flick", I assumed you meant porn, in which case both parties would've been wrong (the teacher way more so). But if it was just a homosexuality awareness thing, then the student is wrong.

I'm thinking that the email that he received was a mass-email advertising the event, and he chose to be an ass about it and respond to it.

Sound like he got what he deserved, a good shot in the 'chops. Not for his oppinion even, just not to open his mouth when it isn't called for.[/QUOTE]

So a teacher sends you an email and you have no right to reply or express your opinion?? Do you realize this isn't Nazi Germany??

You liberals are always on about free speech, first amendmant rights and freedom but not in this case huh?? :roll:
 
[quote name='Scrubking']So a teacher sends you an email and you have no right to reply or express your opinion?? Do you realize this isn't Nazi Germany??

You liberals are always on about free speech, first amendmant rights and freedom but not in this case huh?? :roll:[/QUOTE]
Look at it this way.

Yes, he has the right (or freedom, if you will) to reply to the email and express his opinion.

The teacher, in turn, had the right to feel offended. She also had the right (or freedom) to notify the school board.

The school board then has the right (freedom) to examine the situation, and rule accordingly.

I don't mind that he has that view of things at all, and I think that he is completely free to do so. But there is a time and a place to express these views. It's not so much the actual content of the email that bothers me, it's his attitude. Mr. Jihad was just being a dick, plain and simple, and I hate people like that. If he didn't want to receive further email from this woman, he could've politely and civily responded to the email by saying "Thank you for your email, but please unsubscribe me from this sending list. I do not wish to receive future emails." He didn't have to get on the pulpit to get his point across, he was just being a douche. I think that in our modern world, civility can come before anything else, and the response he sent wasn't civil.

"Freedom of Speach" doesn't mean you can walk around verbally assaulting people all day.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']Also if conservatives really feel schools are so liberal, why don't they start taking jobs in them to change things?[/QUOTE]


That's why private schools exist.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']Look at it this way.

Yes, he has the right (or freedom, if you will) to reply to the email and express his opinion.

The teacher, in turn, had the right to feel offended. She also had the right (or freedom) to notify the school board.

The school board then has the right (freedom) to examine the situation, and rule accordingly.
"Freedom of Speach" doesn't mean you can walk around verbally assaulting people all day.[/QUOTE]

Are you saying it was ok for the Teacher to be offended by the reply but it wasn't ok for the student to be offended by the Email?

I'm just trying to clarify what your point is.


This is a no wrong situation IMO (kinda). The teacher did no wrong inviting the student and the student did no wrong replying (but a simple no thanks would have been enough.) The teacher did take this to the next stage because the student has a different viewpoint. I have said it once I will say it again why do people feel that it is their duty to change others opinions? Life is a lot easier if people would get this through their thick skulls. (That statement is for the teacher and the student.)
 
yea but this guy was an employee and not just a student. As an employee he should hold himself above doing things like this at the place where he works.


Also can this be our ROP update?
 
[quote name='spoo'] I have said it once I will say it again why do people feel that it is their duty to change others opinions? Life is a lot easier if people would get this through their thick skulls.[/QUOTE]

I agree.
 
[quote name='spoo']Are you saying it was ok for the Teacher to be offended by the reply but it wasn't ok for the student to be offended by the Email?

I'm just trying to clarify what your point is.


This is a no wrong situation IMO (kinda). The teacher did no wrong inviting the student and the student did no wrong replying (but a simple no thanks would have been enough.) The teacher did take this to the next stage because the student has a different viewpoint. I have said it once I will say it again why do people feel that it is their duty to change others opinions? Life is a lot easier if people would get this through their thick skulls. (That statement is for the teacher and the student.)[/QUOTE]
I was just replying to Scrub's post and his unique use of "freedom" and "freedom of speach". I was merely demonstrating that the student did indeed have the freedom to say what he did, but that doesn't mean that he's immune from consequences. You can say whatever you want, but there are consequences for everything. He wanted to get on the pulpit instead of choosing his words more carefully and he got smacked for it. I say it's all part of a life lesson, know what to say and when to say it, and when not to say it.

I say he got what he deserved, not because he's religious and against homosexuality, but because he was being a dick. This is a case where he should've either kept his mouth shut, or politely asked to be unsubscribed.

Just because you have a view point doesn't mean you can't be civil about it.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Jihad Daniel is a Muslim grad-student at William Paterson University . He received a mass e-mail from a professor inviting him to a film about lesbian relationships. At the bottom of the note it said to reply, and so he did. Greg Lukianoff is with the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education ( FIRE ).

“This is all he said. Do not send me any e-mail about ‘Connie and Sally’ and ‘Adam and Steve.’ These are perversions. The absence of God in higher education brings on confusion that is why in these classes the Creator of the heavens and the earth is never mentioned.”

The private response from Mr. Daniel to the professor in the women’s studies department triggered the fireworks.

“The professor who sent the e-vite to everyone claimed that she felt threatened and that this was harassment and discrimination.”

Further corroberation and pwnage.[/QUOTE]


You just basically backed up everyone else. It was not a "lesbo flick", as in a porno, but just about lesbian relationships. Especially if she was a lesbian, it's not hard to see how that came across as extremely offensive and aggressive. Besides, he was a school employee, therefore he is held to many discrimination codes that regular students would not be.

Since it was a private response, my decision would rest on why he got the e-mail. Was he in a film class or something that this was related to (he may not have signed up for e-mails, but he may be associated somehow)? Was he in some religious or other form of tolerance group? Was he friends with the professor? Was there anything that would connect him to the film or the professor? It may make sense that he was sent the e-mail if you know what caused the professor to put him on the list. Now, if the professor knew he was a bigot and sent it anyway, then his response would be justified (in the sense that a bigotted response can be justified).

Ya know something scrub, the organization that conservatives hate most, the ACLU, would probably aid him if he requested it. Maybe you should notify them of what happened, maybe they'd lend their assistance?
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Ya know something scrub, the organization that conservatives hate most, the ACLU, would probably aid him if he requested it. Maybe you should notify them of what happened, maybe they'd lend their assistance?[/QUOTE]

:applause:

That was awesome.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Now, if the professor knew he was a bigot and sent it anyway, then his response would be justified (in the sense that a bigotted response can be justified).[/QUOTE]

Are you implying that anyone with widely-held religious values is a bigot? How is it bigotted to disapprove of someone else's behavior? Are you bigotted towards pedophiles and polygamists?
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Are you implying that anyone with widely-held religious values is a bigot? How is it bigotted to disapprove of someone else's behavior? Are you bigotted towards pedophiles and polygamists?[/QUOTE]

when your disapproval comes in the form or harrasment, harm or libel.

least dats what the law sez! GOLLY!

seriously, how old are people on these boards? 10?

Liberal minded colleges that hate god? You mean like the hundreds of Jesuit institutions? Or every damn college along the bible belt (yeah, it is the bible belt)?

Or how about some of the public instiutions like UNM or UW that, as one of the specialities, have well regarded theology departments?

Or how about Louis and Clark in Oregon (voted one of the most liberal schools in the country every year) with one of the top rated theology departments in the nation?

Your news source is really amazing. Here's where I go for all my news about WWII history: http://www.ihr.org/
it's just as good as your source!
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Are you implying that anyone with widely-held religious values is a bigot? How is it bigotted to disapprove of someone else's behavior? Are you bigotted towards pedophiles and polygamists?[/QUOTE]

He is intolerant of homosexuality and homosexuals, and even with the subjects presence in the university. Bigotry is bigotry regardless of where it comes from. You can disapprove of homosexuality without being bigotted, but it's a fine line that most seem to cross. It's a widespread form of bigotry.


I have no problem with polygamists as long as everyone knows and is willing. And, perhaps technically, you could say pretty much everyone is bigotted against pedophiles.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']There are 28 Jesuit colleges and universities not hundreds.[/QUOTE]

well i was thinking more internationally as well, but point taken.

still, there is a lot, and they have a strong and powerful reputation and influence in higher education; especially concerning what is taught there.
 
I don't hate gay people...

...

... I hate lesbians, though. They're really annoying.
 
http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movies/movie.html?v_id=267949

Sure doesn't sound like "Librarian Snatch in Heat 12," does it?

Here's a complex matter. People are allowed to have opinions, yes.

BUT, graduate students are not. No.

The thing is, if you've made it to this level of academia, you must combat arguments with knowledge. You must cite data, you must cite research, you must make logical (that is, provable) arguments.

Really, grad school is the one last step between attending and teaching college. I'm not sure that I understand with "punishing" the student (even if it appears to be little more than formal slap on the wrist). That being said, the student is allowed to have what opinions he wants to have; he should not expect them to be valid, or of any importance, in the school setting. Imagine if this man was allowed to teach a sexualities class! He clearly cannot separate his feelings, his faith, and his work, despite the fact that the former two conflict with the latter (in a WOMEN'S STUDIES department! You don't say!).

He's probably just a research or teacher's assistant, and that allows him to be labeled an "employee" of the university, so I wouldn't give that much credence.

In all, this man clearly does not understand why he's in graduate school, does not understand the fundamental material in a women's studies class, and cannot exist in a world where empiricism is given higher importance over faith.

Individual rights in education? Eat a fuckin' dick. Do you want to be permitted to disagree what the square root of 64 is?
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']That's why private schools exist.[/QUOTE]
Well that, plus a desire to escape integration. I offer our own Carlisle School as an example though they are more diverse now.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']Well that, plus a desire to escape integration. I offer our own Carlisle School as an example though they are more diverse now.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I knew a couple of guys that went to Carlisle. It was primarily to play basketball though.

I agree that part of the reason these schools are successful is the desire to escape integration. However, even the most diverse of educational institutions have clubs and organizations for people who share similar philosophies. There is always at least some underlying segregation (not necessarily in a negative sense) in public universities if people want to participate in it.
 
"So you liberals will probably take his side now."

Fox News has trained you well! What a typically asinine statement from someone who invests so heavily in the bewildering ideologies of Bush-level neoconservatism. I'm sure Rupert Murdoch is beaming with pride.

But in any case, I'm reluctant to trust a "news" story from any religiously-biased site. More often than not, it's just eye-candy for people who take everything at face value and lack the scrutiny to really look into whether or not a story even hinges closely on being realistic. Oddly enough, these are the same people who love to watch Fox News and throw around the word "liberal" like a 4th grader who just learned a new swear.

EDIT:

Upon further inspection, I suspect the site may even be a satire...in which case it would be even more ridiculous to believe it.
 
Oh, and I'm probably more liberal than conservative (even though I avoid either extreme), but I don't sympathize with the student. If the story were true, then the teacher should be fired for being a weirdo and the student should drop out and live in a cave. Talk about immaturity.
 
[quote name='wookieballz']Oh, and I'm probably more liberal than conservative (even though I avoid either extreme), but I don't sympathize with the student. If the story were true, then the teacher should be fired for being a weirdo and the student should drop out and live in a cave. Talk about immaturity.[/QUOTE]

How was the teacher a weirdo? And why should she be fired? This was a university, sex and sexual orientation aren't exactly taboo in them.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']How was the teacher a weirdo? And why should she be fired? This was a university, sex and sexual orientation aren't exactly taboo in them.[/QUOTE]

Well, I would probably raise an eyebrow if one of my professors ever invited me to a porn-viewing session unless the class was in human sexuality.

And you don't find it the least bit weird that she would feel threatened by some religious kid who refused? Seems perfectly weird to me.
 
[quote name='wookieballz']Well, I would probably raise an eyebrow if one of my professors ever invited me to a porn-viewing session unless the class was in human sexuality.

And you don't find it the least bit weird that she would feel threatened by some religious kid who refused? Seems perfectly weird to me.[/QUOTE]
The film is actually Ruthie and Connie: Every Room in the House and it's not porn.
 
[quote name='wookieballz']Well, I would probably raise an eyebrow if one of my professors ever invited me to a porn-viewing session unless the class was in human sexuality.

And you don't find it the least bit weird that she would feel threatened by some religious kid who refused? Seems perfectly weird to me.[/QUOTE]

Please read the thread before posting. It has been repeatedly mentioned that it was not a porno, just a movie focussing on two womens relationship. Here's what the new york times said :

This lively, heartwarming, and frequently hilarious documentary is devoted to Ruth Berman and Connie Kurtz, two Jewish grandmothers living together in West Palm Beach, FL. Setting this story apart from the standard "snowbird" saga is the fact that the two women are lesbians, having sustained their relationship for more than 40 years. The relationship began back in Brooklyn, when Ruthie and Connie, living as neighbors in a high-rise, came to the realization that theirs was something more than a close friendship. Given the atmosphere of sexual paranoia of the 1960s, the ladies were at first compelled to keep their romance secret, scrambling about to destroy correspondence or any other evidence that might hint at their preferences. By the early 21st century, they were able to look back and laugh heartily at their earlier trials and tribulations, and back to the memory of their commitment ceremony in a New York gay synagogue.
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really explicit :roll: .

And "Do not send me any mail about 'Connie and Sally' and 'Adam and Steve.' These are perversions. The absence of God in higher education brings on confusion. That is why in these classes the Creator of the heavens and the earth is never mentioned." isn't exactly a polite rejection.

Though I remember my sociology professor last year. On the first day of class she said "if you have problems with seeing nudity, or problems discussing sex or sexuality, then you shouldn't be in this class". Even if it was semi pornographic, it could very easily have its place in class.
 
As was already said, freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from consequences. Time for this guy to learn some manners. It would have been quite easy for this guy to phrase his response in a polite way: "I'm sorry, but the topic of that film is offensive to my religion. As such, I'm afraid that I'm not going to attend it." If he would have said something like that, then I'm willing to bet that there'd be no problem at all, and if there was, I'd be on his side. Instead, he chose the old 'you're all a bunch of godless heathens!' response, and he's quite rightfully getting smacked for it.
 
[quote name='Drocket']As was already said, freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from consequences. Time for this guy to learn some manners. It would have been quite easy for this guy to phrase his response in a polite way: "I'm sorry, but the topic of that film is offensive to my religion. As such, I'm afraid that I'm not going to attend it." If he would have said something like that, then I'm willing to bet that there'd be no problem at all, and if there was, I'd be on his side. Instead, he chose the old 'you're all a bunch of godless heathens!' response, and he's quite rightfully getting smacked for it.[/QUOTE]

Well, what would religion be without persecution? ;)

If this guy is a responsible grad student, he shouldn't be afraid of knowledge in any form. Instead, he plays the role of Ostrich, sticking his head in the ground when something offends him. What a gutless coward; if he wants to become an intellectual, he ought to learn how to combat that which challenges him.

Jesus fucking Christ.

The teacher requested he watch it, not agree with it. It's called critical thinking, folks, and this student's behavior reminds me of so many, many conservatives confronted with Karl Marx's works. They're scared to death to read it and critique it (even if it isn't hard to do), so they rely on second-hand criticisms without understanding them, in the end being simplistic enough to hate all Marx without having read a word of his.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']...A grad student got an email from one of his teachers inviting him to watch a lesbo flick. He was obviously disgusted and replied:

"Do not send me any mail about 'Connie and Sally' and 'Adam and Steve.' These are perversions. The absence of God in higher education brings on confusion. That is why in these classes the Creator of the heavens and the earth is never mentioned."[/QUOTE]

Taking the story at face value, I honestly don't see anything with the student's quote that would warrant a complaint to the administration.

The teacher who complained to the administration about this email is no better then the christian cop who tried to convert the druids - they are both SO CONVINCED that they are right, that any disagreement borders on illegality in their minds.

Many conflicts of this world occur because people attempt use administrative or physical power to either promote their own ideologies or stamp out ideologies that they find to be distasteful or ill-conceived. People need to remember that the best way to win an arguement is to win hearts and minds, only balls-for-brains jackasses think that they can win with their guns.
 
[quote name='camoor']Taking the story at face value, I honestly don't see anything with the student's quote that would warrant a complaint to the administration.

The teacher who complained to the administration about this email is no better then the christian cop who tried to convert the druids - they are both SO CONVINCED that they are right, that any disagreement borders on illegality in their minds.

Many conflicts of this world occur because people attempt use administrative or physical power to either promote their own ideologies or stamp out ideologies that they find to be distasteful or ill-conceived. People need to remember that the best way to win an arguement is to win hearts and minds, only balls-for-brains jackasses think that they can win with their guns.[/QUOTE]

But he was an employee of the school. When school employees come across as prejudice that's an issue. It's an unpleasant situation when a student does it, but an issue to be dealt with when they're an employee.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']He is intolerant of homosexuality and homosexuals, and even with the subjects presence in the university. Bigotry is bigotry regardless of where it comes from. You can disapprove of homosexuality without being bigotted, but it's a fine line that most seem to cross. It's a widespread form of bigotry.


I have no problem with polygamists as long as everyone knows and is willing. And, perhaps technically, you could say pretty much everyone is bigotted against pedophiles.[/QUOTE]

Sounds to me like he was intolerant of someone pushing their agenda, which happened to be in opposition to his religious beliefs, on him. He never made any threats or statements that he hated the teacher or anything like that. I don't see that as bigotry, unless I'm bigotted against murderers.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Sounds to me like he was intolerant of someone pushing their agenda, which happened to be in opposition to his religious beliefs, on him. He never made any threats or statements that he hated the teacher or anything like that. I don't see that as bigotry, unless I'm bigotted against murderers.[/QUOTE]

I somewhat agree, if he refused to work with gay people that would be one thing, but he just responded rudely to a spam email advertising a movie about gay people (sure it was a rude response, but IMO it was not hate speech).

However elprincipe, comparing gay people to murderers is offensive and ridiculous to any sense of common human decency.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Sounds to me like he was intolerant of someone pushing their agenda, which happened to be in opposition to his religious beliefs, on him. He never made any threats or statements that he hated the teacher or anything like that. I don't see that as bigotry, unless I'm bigotted against murderers.[/QUOTE]

Again, what were the circumstances? Did she know he was strongly opposed to homosexuality? If not, then it cannot be considered pushing her beliefs on him. The relationship between the two and the circumstances surrounding the e-mail and his recieving it is what would make me side with one party or the other. But it isn't much of a stretch to assume he opposed homosexuals, how is that not intolerant and bigotted in the traditional sense?
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Again, what were the circumstances? Did she know he was strongly opposed to homosexuality? If not, then it cannot be considered pushing her beliefs on him. The relationship between the two and the circumstances surrounding the e-mail and his recieving it is what would make me side with one party or the other. But it isn't much of a stretch to assume he opposed homosexuals, how is that not intolerant and bigotted in the traditional sense?[/QUOTE]

Disapproving of someone's behavior does not mean you are bigotted towards that person. If I disapprove of a black man robbing somebody, does that make me a racist?
 
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