Hentai: Thought, Comments, etc.

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I was just wondering what everyone thought about Hentai. I've seen a couple of them and although they are pretty detailed reditions of the "real thing", it's still a cartoon. So I was wondering what people thought about them and if some people substituted them for normal adult content. Yeah, I know, kinda weird subject, but I'm kinda drunk and just wanted to see what everyone else thought about it.

Discuss.
 
Meh, it's funny to watch but boring as pr0n. For some seriously messed up stuff check out Urotsukidoji 1-4 and La Blue Girl. There's also a La Blue Girl Live Action movie but trust me, it sucks A LOT (and not in a good way).
 
They are hilarious. I watch them with my buddies all the time, its a funny break from the usual anime. There is one called ogenki clinic and it is by far the funniest i have ever seen. I have the whole la blue girl collection and watching a person fight in sex craft is just damn funny and imaginative. I dont watch it like porn, becuase well thats what porn is for.
 
Most hentai movies suck. There are a lot of good h-games out there, though. Some of the older Jast games are excellent; I'm a fan of Season of Sakura and Runaway City, for example.
 
I love hentai, though I hate the new extreme stuff (if you've seen or heard of night shift nurses then you know what I'm referring to). Dragon pink, F3, and angel of darkness of darkness are my favorite.

Though the live action version of Ogenki Clinic is pretty funny, though I never watched the anime version of it though.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I love hentai, though I hate the new extreme stuff (if you've seen or heard of night shift nurses then you know what I'm referring to). Dragon pink, F3, and angel of darkness of darkness are my favorite.

Though the live action version of Ogenki Clinic is pretty funny, though I never watched the anime version of it though.[/QUOTE]

I'm afraid to ask what "extreme" is.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I love hentai, though I hate the new extreme stuff (if you've seen or heard of night shift nurses then you know what I'm referring to). Dragon pink, F3, and angel of darkness of darkness are my favorite.

Though the live action version of Ogenki Clinic is pretty funny, though I never watched the anime version of it though.[/QUOTE]

Is live action real actors or something?
 
[quote name='Moxio']Hentai is pathetic. I can't believe people actually put in time to draw out, color, and animate this garbage.[/QUOTE]

im with ya here. I mean cmon, who the hell perfects drawing cocks for anime?
 
[quote name='Moxio']I'm afraid to ask what "extreme" is.[/QUOTE]

I'm not, what do you mean by extreme alonzo?

Are we talking decapitation-intercourse?

Open wounds or something?

I thought it was bad enough with the tentacles, and I have to wonder where it went from there. It's like slowing down when you pass a car wreck. So please, indulge my curiousity (no pics though).
 
Live action is real actors, they just refer to movies adapted from anime as live action.



[quote name='evilmax17']I'm not, what do you mean by extreme alonzo?

Are we talking decapitation-intercourse?

Open wounds or something?

I thought it was bad enough with the tentacles, and I have to wonder where it went from there. It's like slowing down when you pass a car wreck. So please, indulge my curiousity (no pics though).[/QUOTE]

.......enemas is the one I was referring to.
 
I never liked Japanese Animation (and I am an Animator). I found all the drawings look the same (with the big eyes and such) and the jerky motion.

Still, I have to admit that the Japanese are going places that the Americans are not going. All American animation is geared towards children it seems where the Japanese are not afraid to try more mature ventures....

Still the state of animation could expand more than it is. I remember reading about Winsor McKay (the first person to ever animate anything) was pissed off because all the early black-n-white cartoons were kiddie shows. So far not alot has changed. Thank god for Beavis and Butthead and the Simpsons though.....
 
Hentai is funny.
except when it's disturbingly degrading, panty shots and tentecles are one thing...other things...well, anyway, mostly anything i've seen is funny. I wouldn't spend money on it, my attention span is too short to watch more then enough of it to laugh at it.

tenticles come from the fact that the japanese don't seem to like showing actual penis. (in their regular porn too)
 
[quote name='tauruskatt']Hentai is funny.
except when it's disturbingly degrading, panty shots and tentecles are one thing...other things...well, anyway, mostly anything i've seen is funny. I wouldn't spend money on it, my attention span is too short to watch more then enough of it to laugh at it.

tenticles come from the fact that the japanese don't seem to like showing actual penis. (in their regular porn too)[/QUOTE]

That goes back to WWII when the US negotiated a peace treaty after Hiroshima. When Japan was being rebuilt, a lot of US influence crossed over. Seeing how this was during the 40s they've been slow to change (as the Japanese are known to be until recently) Culturely, I think the Japanese are in someways the 1970s-80s US. It wasn't under little than 10 years ago that women were being accepted in positions of power. They were allowed to ascend to positions of power before but it wasn't readily accepted so they end up being figureheads.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']That goes back to WWII when the US negotiated a peace treaty after Hiroshima. When Japan was being rebuilt, a lot of US influence crossed over. Seeing how this was during the 40s they've been slow to change (as the Japanese are known to be until recently) Culturely, I think the Japanese are in someways the 1970s-80s US. It wasn't under little than 10 years ago that women were being accepted in positions of power. They were allowed to ascend to positions of power before but it wasn't readily accepted so they end up being figureheads.[/QUOTE]

Until recently showing pubic hair was illegal in japan, and earlier male genitalia was illegal (which is where tentacles came in). It's a cultural taboo more than just being prudish, as even in the bath houses you're supposed to cover the genitals with a small towel. It is now legal, but there are still some legal issues and fears and usually only the smaller companies will show pubic hairs.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Until recently showing pubic hair was illegal in japan, and earlier male genitalia was illegal (which is where tentacles came in). It's a cultural taboo more than just being prudish, as even in the bath houses you're supposed to cover the genitals with a small towel. It is now legal, but there are still some legal issues and fears and usually only the smaller companies will show pubic hairs.[/QUOTE]

weird when you think about it.

Americans would freak out about being in a room with naked people of varying ages and appearences with nothing but a towel. But *insert gross pron subcatagory here* filmed in billyjoebob's basement with a barely 18 year old girl who's probably from an abusive/broken home runs a profit?

(In this case I'd *much* rather see an incresed acceptance and publication of american 'hentai'...)

but it's odd that Japanese culture can accept public bathing and hense some degree of public nudity, but, body hair and penis is bad?...

I'd agree with what jaykrue was hinting at, which is that it comes down to gender roles and power. Its more acceptable for women to not have body hair, so it's not acceptable to show it. if you ask me, it probably confuses lots of little japanese boys, lol...=P
 
[quote name='tauruskatt'] ... if you ask me, it probably confuses lots of little japanese boys, lol...=P[/QUOTE]

That could explain so much it's not even funny. Well, maybe it is. :lol:
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Until recently showing pubic hair was illegal in japan, and earlier male genitalia was illegal (which is where tentacles came in). It's a cultural taboo more than just being prudish, as even in the bath houses you're supposed to cover the genitals with a small towel. It is now legal, but there are still some legal issues and fears and usually only the smaller companies will show pubic hairs.[/QUOTE]

Actually it wasn't a cultural taboo until after WWII. Look at any Japan art pre-WWII and you'll see a lot of nude drawings and the like. Like I said, it was the US influence harking back to the 1950s that did the turnaround. There was some prior Western contact pre-WWII (such as Commodore Perry's mission to establish a trade agreement with Japan) but the US's cultural influence wasn't solidified until the Japanese were bombed and (rightfully) decided to negotiated a peace settlement.

*Wow, things you can remember from Anthropology 201*

And they say, you don't learn anything in school :D
 
[quote name='jaykrue']And I just realized that I'm discussing japanese art history in a hentai thread :rofl:[/QUOTE]

Nothing wrong with bringing a little history to the topic. :lol:
 
[quote name='jaykrue']Actually it wasn't a cultural taboo until after WWII. Look at any Japan art pre-WWII and you'll see a lot of nude drawings and the like. Like I said, it was the US influence harking back to the 1950s that did the turnaround. There was some prior Western contact pre-WWII (such as Commodore Perry's mission to establish a trade agreement with Japan) but the US's cultural influence wasn't solidified until the Japanese were bombed and (rightfully) decided to negotiated a peace settlement.

*Wow, things you can remember from Anthropology 201*

And they say, you don't learn anything in school :D[/QUOTE]

Did the nude drawings show pubic hair?
 
[quote name='Xevious']I never liked Japanese Animation (and I am an Animator). I found all the drawings look the same (with the big eyes and such) and the jerky motion.
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No offense but I gottta say that's a pretty stereotypical outlook on Japanese animation especially for an actual animator. I guess I could that if all you looked at was from like two decades ago, but over the past 10 years or so tons of titles have been done that don't involve the big eyes and such.
 
No sir, I don't like it.

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[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']No offense but I gottta say that's a pretty stereotypical outlook on Japanese animation especially for an actual animator. I guess I could that if all you looked at was from like two decades ago, but over the past 10 years or so tons of titles have been done that don't involve the big eyes and such.[/QUOTE]

No offense taken. You are allowed to express your viewpoint just like anyone else.

I however maintain that Japanese animation is still too stiff for my tastes. Recently I caught a few clips of this movie out in theaters (I think its called Steamboy) and I thought the walk cycles of the characters were not fluid enough - especially for a big budget film like that. Comparatively, the old Disney movies were very fluid in their motions. So were the Warner Bros cartoons...

There is a great book about this subject called "The Animators Survivalist Guide" written by Richard Williams (He is the guy who animated Roger Rabbit). He does a long thorough explanation of walk cycles and such. This book is considered to be the animation bible and its used in Film schools everywhere.

On a personal note, I wished I picked up this book before I started on my film. Unfortunately I didnt and some of my animation I already made is stiffer than I intended to be. Thats ok. You learn from experience.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']No offense but I gottta say that's a pretty stereotypical outlook on Japanese animation especially for an actual animator. I guess I could that if all you looked at was from like two decades ago, but over the past 10 years or so tons of titles have been done that don't involve the big eyes and such.[/QUOTE]

I agree.

And I hate being told I look like a Japanese cartoon with my big eyes. :cry:
 
Maybe what's happened is that you're seeing the anime from potentially years and years ago, that hasn't been dubbed until more recently. I'm sure if you went to animation school though you probably had to watch a lot of animation from all over the world so this is probably a moot point :lol: but~ I can think of a few very fluid very impressively animated films. Perfect Blue for one (and is also a little on topic, btw, it's very disturbing, but very good visually, yes)

I agree with the stiffness of some, but it's more of a budgeting issue I think. (only drawing the face once and moving the mouth in each frame, or having something constantly covering the mouth and only seeing the eyes or back of the head, etc) plus it's already coming off a different style of film directing anyway, so of course it's going to be different from american animation.

Then again, the diversity of what anime caters to is maybe only finally starting to kick in here. (maybe, the roger rabbit movie was great and all, but no one's yet made an animated "classic" movie/show for adults). For some reason CG seems to make it more acceptable, look at movies like Shreck, where they make jokes that go over kid's heads for the entertainment of adults. Sleeping Beauty? animated well, but for a diverse audience? not so much. ^_^
 
[quote name='tauruskatt']Perfect Blue for one (and is also a little on topic, btw, it's very disturbing, but very good visually, yes)

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I'll give "Perfect Blue" a shot since you said that has good animation. Is it hard to find at a rental store?
 
[quote name='Xevious']I'll give "Perfect Blue" a shot since you said that has good animation. Is it hard to find at a rental store?[/QUOTE]

Depends on the store, the local Blockbuster here does have copy but it's probably YMMV. You might have an easier time finding Millenium Actress or Tokyo Godfathers which have the same director and art crew but are more recent.
 
[quote name='Xevious']I'll give "Perfect Blue" a shot since you said that has good animation. Is it hard to find at a rental store?[/QUOTE]

It shouldn't be, it's supposedly a classic. I picked it up used at GS last summer for $3, but good luck finding a deal like that.


I still haven't watched it. :oops:
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']It shouldn't be, it's supposedly a classic. I picked it up used at GS last summer for $3, but good luck finding a deal like that.


I still haven't watched it. :oops:[/QUOTE]

To all who will watch Perfect Blue, I must warn you it's a bit of a mindfuck. It screws with you and you're not quite sure where the line between fantasy and reality is and not in a Matrix-like way. It's more like am I the only sane person in an otherwise insane world or am I the schizophrenic? I love it. :bouncy:
 
[quote name='Xevious']I'll give "Perfect Blue" a shot since you said that has good animation. Is it hard to find at a rental store?[/QUOTE]

If you're looking for good animation in the truest sense of the word, pick up anything by Miyozaki:

Princess Mononoke
Laputa: Castle in the Sky (base on a story from Gulliver's Travels)
Porco Rosso
Spirited Away
Kiki's Delivery Service

They're very Disneylike in their storytelling and pace but it has a distinct art style that you can easily recognize as Japanese. I find Miyazaki films to be very fluid in how the animation goes (such as the downhill bike sequence in Kiki's Delivery Service)

I wouldn't base all anime off DBZ and Sailormoon. Even the Japanese are tired of that. If you look at the art styles of Masamune Shirow (of Ghost in the Shell fame) and/or Yutaka Nanten (of Cowboy Bebop fame), they're not the stereotypical big googly moogly eyes and simplistic facial expressions. Hell, even the Koreans don't always do that either. Hyung-Tae Kim, who does the art for the MMORPG Ragnarok has highly detailed renderings that I would be hard pressed to perceive in the typical anime art style. And if you look at the animation for the Lion King, you can see the Japanese inspiration it came from (TV series called Kimba the White Lion, circa 1965) which predates the Lion King (1994) by about 29 years. Here's a side-by-side comparision. The animation is quite similar so I think that the influence of both East and West can be seen in modern animation. Now, I think there's a bit of reversal. If you look at the animation for Batman The Animated Series and beyond you can see the influence of the Eastern-esque style culminating in the Justice League Unlimited and Teen Titans shows (although to be fair, Teen Titans DOES try to play up the stereotypical anime style *big eyes, simple smiley faces, etc. * too much)
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Did the nude drawings show pubic hair?[/QUOTE]

Some did but not all. And the ancient Japanese were forthcoming even more when it came to sexuality (men more so than women since there was still a social stigma towards women of an illicit nature and there's a difference between a geisha and an actual prostitute - a lot of Westerners don't understand that). Granted, there was censorship predating Western contact but by comparison, the censorship then was minimal compared what it was post WWII - a 'turn a blind eye' situation kind of thing. If you want an example, PM me since it IS a nude picture.
 
[quote name='Lina']I agree.

And I hate being told I look like a Japanese cartoon with my big eyes. :cry:[/QUOTE]

Big eyes just mean a bigger window to your soul to look through. :D
 
[quote name='jaykrue'] And if you look at the animation for the Lion King, you can see the Japanese inspiration it came from (TV series called Kimba the White Lion, circa 1965) which predates the Lion King (1994) by about 29 years. Here's a side-by-side comparision. The animation is quite similar so I think that the influence of both East and West can be seen in modern animation. Now, I think there's a bit of reversal. If you look at the animation for Batman The Animated Series and beyond you can see the influence of the Eastern-esque style culminating in the Justice League Unlimited and Teen Titans shows (although to be fair, Teen Titans DOES try to play up the stereotypical anime style *big eyes, simple smiley faces, etc. * too much)[/QUOTE]

Disney rips off lots of things making it enirely their own. And I'm pretty sure Batman the Animated Series actually used a handful animators from Sunrise Inc. to help work on the series (and they later went on to do Big O as well) which explains it's Eastern influence. Also, I think the creators of the New Teen Titan series have said that alot of their inspiration for the style comes almost straight from FLCL.

And finally it's odd we've progressed this Hentai thread into a full blown anime discussion...
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']And finally it's odd we've progressed this Hentai thread into a full blown anime discussion...[/QUOTE]

I still find it more odd that there was japanese art history thrown in there even more. :D
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']Now that's creepy. :lol:[/QUOTE]

Well, fine, I guess I'm the only one who follows the "eyes are windows to the soul" routine. :razz:
 
[quote name='shrike4242']Well, fine, I guess I'm the only one who follows the "eyes are windows to the soul" routine. :razz:[/QUOTE]

Well, if the stereotypical anime character was brought to real life, they're actually look quite creepy with the overdone eyes. They'd look more like the stereotypical aliens with the big heads and giant black (or in this case blue/green/purple/orange/whatever) eyes.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']Well, if the stereotypical anime character was brought to real life, they're actually look quite creepy with the overdone eyes. They'd look more like the stereotypical aliens with the big heads and giant black (or in this case blue/green/purple/orange/whatever) eyes.[/QUOTE]

Don't tell Lina that. :whistle2:#
 
Perfect Blue is definately a mind-fck. I can't watch it around certain people, cause there's some boobies and some pretty shocking twisted stuff in there. >.>

I *Love* spirited away, definately my favorite Miyazaki. It has this great 'Alice in Wonderland' feeling to it, like a child actually could've thought it up, very imaginative. :D

Samarai X / Rurouni Kenshin is good too, not the whole damn series, which is like, twenty some dvds and is probably a bit too much for a taste of it, but if you can find the box set of the OVA's to watch, the first two discs are amazing (so is the last, but it takes place after the TV series, which is different from the OVA in budget/story/and animation style).

Something else I'd suggest is Grave of the Fireflies...the collector's dvd version is worth every penny for me to show people unfamiliar with anime Roger Ebert's interview about it. Really goes into some of the elements of why it's one of his favorite movies. BUT, beware, it's really sad, and it makes me cry, so I don't watch it more then once a year...:cry:

If you can't find any of these at a blockbuster or other video store I'd be suprised. Maybe not the Samarai X so much, but Miyazaki movies and Grave of the Fireflies you should definately be able to find at a Best Buy/Wal-mart also for around $20 bucks.
 
[quote name='tauruskatt']Samarai X / Rurouni Kenshin is good too, not the whole damn series, which is like, twenty some dvds and is probably a bit too much for a taste of it, but if you can find the box set of the OVA's to watch, the first two discs are amazing (so is the last, but it takes place after the TV series, which is different from the OVA in budget/story/and animation style). [/QUOTE]

I only marginally liked Kenshin in that I loved all the OVAs (especially Seisouhen) but passionately hated the tv series. Kenshin seemed out of character in most of the series. I like him brooding as he should be considering he's japan's number one killer in atonement for all the blood he's spilled. It makes him believable. The happy go lucky seemed so... not him.
 
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