IMO toyota dealership are very very very arrogant...I looked at the sienna, and I have very long legs and don't fit in any toyota well (before I got my passatt I wanted a highlander but didn't feel comfortable.) My dad had the avalon and I dont like driving his car. I took the sienna out and it was nice, I was much more comfortable behind the odyssey though. When I got back to the office and the guy was selling it to me...they kept going on and on how great toyota are..I brought up how the odyssey is rater higher in the majority of reviews on the 2 caravans, and they were flat out denying it, and changed the subject to the new powerful engine they had. I said for $2k less i could get the odyessey and they had both back doors electronic slide open, where the sienna model i was looking at didn't have any...I told them I felt more comfortable in the odyssey, but the deciding factor was going to come down to cost and features and the odyssey had them beat on both...the sales rep goes and get the office manager...he listens to me and then he gets back on the engine rant, saying if i got the odyssey 10 years from now my car would be in the front lawn not moving and I could say well at least the door would auto open...I had it by then, explained that they were ranked 2nd in that class, I was getting a safer, more featured rich and $2k cheaper odyssey why would I want to buy the sienna...this was 2 months ago, and the sales rep still calls me every 2 wks