Iran warns of preemptive strike to prevent attack on nuclear sites

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DOHA (AFP) - Iranian Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani warned that Iran might launch a preemptive strike against US forces in the region to prevent an attack on its nuclear facilities.

"We will not sit (with arms folded) to wait for what others will do to us. Some military commanders in Iran are convinced that preventive operations which the Americans talk about are not their monopoly," Shamkhani told Al-Jazeera TV when asked if Iran would respond to an American attack on its nuclear facilities.

"America is not the only one present in the region. We are also present, from Khost to Kandahar in Afghanistan; we are present in the Gulf and we can be present in Iraq (news - web sites)," said Shamkhani, speaking in Farsi to the Arabic-language news channel through an interpreter.

"The US military presence (in Iraq) will not become an element of strength (for Washington) at our expense. The opposite is true, because their forces would turn into a hostage" in Iranian hands in the event of an attack, he said.

Shamkhani, who was asked about the possibility of an American or Israeli strike against Iran's atomic power plant in Bushehr, added: "We will consider any strike against our nuclear installations as an attack on Iran as a whole, and we will retaliate with all our strength.

"Where Israel is concerned, we have no doubt that it is an evil entity, and it will not be able to launch any military operation without an American green light. You cannot separate the two."

A commander of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards was quoted in the Iranian press earlier Wednesday as saying that Tehran would strike the Israeli reactor at Dimona if Israel attacks the Islamic republic's own burgeoning nuclear facilities.

"If Israel fires one missile at Bushehr atomic power plant, it should permanently forget about Dimona nuclear center, where it produces and keeps its nuclear weapons, and Israel would be responsible for the terrifying consequence of this move," General Mohammad Baqer Zolqadr warned.

Iran's controversial bid to generate nuclear power at its plant being built at Bushehr is seen by arch-enemies Israel and the United States as a cover for nuclear weapons development.

The latest comments mark an escalation in an exchange of threats between Israel and Iran in recent weeks, leading to speculation that there may be a repeat of Israel's strike against Iraqi nuclear facilities at Osirak in 1981.

Iran insists that its nuclear intentions are peaceful, while pointing at its enemy's alleged nuclear arsenal, which Israel neither confirms nor denies possessing.

Shamkhani told Al-Jazeera it was not possible "from a practical standpoint" to destroy Iran's nuclear programs because they are the product of national skills "which cannot be eliminated by military means."

He also warned that Iran would consider itself no longer bound by its commitments to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in the event of an attack.

"The execution of such threats (to attack Iran's nuclear installations) would mean that our cooperation with the IAEA led to feeding information about our nuclear facilities to the attacking side, which (in turn) means that we would no longer be bound by any of our obligations" to the nuclear watchdog, he said.

Diplomats said in Vienna Tuesday that the IAEA would not say in a report next month whether Iran's nuclear activities are of a military nature, nor will it recommend bringing the case before the UN Security Council.

The IAEA board is due to deliver the report on Iran's nuclear activities during a meeting at the organization's headquarters in Vienna from September 13 after the last of a group of IAEA inspectors returned from Iran last week.

The UN's nuclear agency is conducting a major probe into Iran's bid to generate electricity through nuclear power.

The Islamic republic has agreed to temporarily suspend uranium enrichment pending the completion of the IAEA probe, but is working on other parts of the fuel cycle and has recently resumed making centrifuges used for enrichment.

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I've been reading more and more about Iranian terrorism influences in the world. From Hezbollah in Lebanon, to rumors of funding Moqtar al-Sadr's resistence to Iranian diplomats being expelled from New York as accused spies. Some are well known, others aren't, some are factual some are conspiratorial.

Personally I think we're fighting Iranian allies in Iraq. Or maybe more precisely Iranian funded revolutionaries in Iraq. It's getting pretty comporable to the Cold War where we skirmished with the USSR indirectly through their satellites or allies. The Korean war, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Bay of Pigs/Cuban Misssile Crisis, invasions of Hungary, Czechoslovokia and Afghanistan. The superpowers never came to blows but they constantly matched one anothers influence.

I think the same thing is happening now between Iran and the US. Unfortunately I don't believe the Iranians have the fear of war the Soviets did. In hindsight it was easy to explain some Soviet build ups as paranoia to having lost 30 million citizens in WWII. The Iranians have no such memory and are driven by religous fever.

Someone, sometime soon is going to make Bushehr a smoking glowing hole in the ground. Whether it happens before or after the Iranians act is a question for debate.
 
This proves what happens when the president is a dumbass.

Bush should learn to read so next time he won't get the letters mixxed up.


Real threat Iran
Fake threat Iraq


I made the important parts bold so you can tell the difference, we don't need someone else that can't read to mess it up.
 
cool. i say we attack Iran, then Saudi Arabia, then North Korea... and then Canada for shits and giggles.
 
I suppose for every success of being a hawk (Lebanon scared shitless) there will be a failure with a nation that still has balls (Iran). Smoke 'em if ya got 'em.
 
[quote name='Cracka']cool. i say we attack Iran, then Saudi Arabia, then North Korea... and then Canada for shits and giggles.[/quote]

France needs to be put in there too then. Way sooner than Canada.
 
[quote name='David85']France can't reach Washington DC, their nukes are crap.[/quote]

But unlike America, they have allies that can help them.
 
[quote name='David85']France can't reach Washington DC, their nukes are crap.[/quote]

Oh really? France maintains approximately 350 nuclear warheads on 60 Mirage 2000N bombers, four nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines (SSBN), and on carrier-based aircraft. The SSBNs have a delivery system similar to the US Trident missile which have a range of 7000 miles.
 
America has allies, the only ones we don't have are France, Germany, Russia, and China, and frankly I don't want to be allies with China, and all four were against invading Iraq because they had oil deals. The USA hasn't seen a drop of Iraqi oil for free, but that's what those countries were doing.

France wants to go to war with us would be the day. We hit them first and they surender, easy as that.
 
How do you know man? Just because of WW2 suddenly the term for them is "Surrender Monkeys". If they've surrendered more in the past please enlighten me.
Well fuck China I don't support a Communist government and that Republican Capitalist indoctrination crap of "If they become dependent on us enough they will fall from Communism.". That's a load of garbage and those businessmen say that to try to get themselves to fall asleep at night. I, HOWEVER, don't think we should show ANY support to a country with such a poor track on Human Rights as China has.
 
[quote name='David85']France wants to go to war with us would be the day. We hit them first and they surender, easy as that.[/quote]

If it weren't for France America would be ruled by the Queen of England.

Don't forget that.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']How do you know man? Just because of WW2 suddenly the term for them is "Surrender Monkeys". If they've surrendered more in the past please enlighten me.[/quote]

[quote name='http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html']

- Gallic Wars
- Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

- Hundred Years War
- Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman." Sainted.

- Italian Wars
- Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.

- Wars of Religion
- France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots

- Thirty Years War
- France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

- War of Revolution
- Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

- The Dutch War
- Tied

- War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War
- Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

- War of the Spanish Succession
- Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.

- American Revolution
- In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

- French Revolution
- Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

- The Napoleonic Wars
- Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

- The Franco-Prussian War
- Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

- World War I
- Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

- World War II
- Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

- War in Indochina
- Lost. French forces plead sickness; take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu

- Algerian Rebellion
- Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

- War on Terrorism
- France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.

The question for any country silly enough to count on the French should not be "Can we count on the French?", but rather "How long until France collapses?"

"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. All you do is leave behind a lot of noisy baggage."

Or, better still, the quote from last week's Wall Street Journal: "They're there when they need you."[/quote]
 
[quote name='Quackzilla'][quote name='David85']France wants to go to war with us would be the day. We hit them first and they surender, easy as that.[/quote]

If it weren't for France America would be ruled by the Queen of England.

Don't forget that.[/quote]

I know that, and then they got all pissy because we didn't help them a few years later. But we have saved their ass so many times they need to lighten up.
 
I doubt a war with france would last over 6 months, including the rebuilding of France.

almost everytime France has been in a war and they won, was because we won the war for them.


France would be stupid to even try to nuke the US. Besides our missile defense system that would take down the nuke before it got anywhere near us, we have a couple of nuclear missiles called Titans that like some of the biggest in the world, and can be launched within 15 seconds. So basically any country that launches a nuke at us is fvcked.
 
What missile defense program?

Star Wars is dead in the water and the Patriot missiles don't have fully operational tracking devices, they must be manually assigned and guided to targets (they can shoot down a primitive medium range Iraqi missiles [and British figher jets, oops sorry] but they can not hit sophisticated nuclear ICBMs or sub launched nuclear missiles).

If Frances shoots a nuke at us we are screwed.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla'][quote name='David85']France wants to go to war with us would be the day. We hit them first and they surender, easy as that.[/quote]

If it weren't for France America would be ruled by the Queen of England.

Don't forget that.[/quote]

And if it wasn't for us France would be ruled by Germany...
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue'][quote name='Quackzilla'][quote name='David85']France wants to go to war with us would be the day. We hit them first and they surender, easy as that.[/quote]

If it weren't for France America would be ruled by the Queen of England.

Don't forget that.[/quote]

And if it wasn't for us France would be ruled by Germany...[/quote]

One hand washes the other...
 
[quote name='Quackzilla'][quote name='RedvsBlue'][quote name='Quackzilla'][quote name='David85']France wants to go to war with us would be the day. We hit them first and they surender, easy as that.[/quote]

If it weren't for France America would be ruled by the Queen of England.

Don't forget that.[/quote]

And if it wasn't for us France would be ruled by Germany...[/quote]

One hand washes the other...[/quote]

but I don't wanna wash, I wanna slap
 
Wjat we are saying is sure we didn't help France out that one time, but we saved their asses so many times that they should be praying to us like the Gods we are... I mean.... :D
 
There is no way France could have defended against that Nazi invasion. And it wasn't just the US, it was many countries that landed on beaches and parachuted behind enemy lines.

Don't forget the Canadians, they played a huge part in the D-Day invasion, and descendents of French immigrants make up a huge part of Canadas population.

Can you imagine what the casualty rate would have been if the United States carried out that invasion alone? The country would NOT have been liberated and the casualties would crippled our army, not to mention all of the commandos that would have been up shits creek without a padle if the full invasion were not carried out.

And the French resistance aided the invasion, though their contributions were small they really helped, and they fought and died bravely for the same cause as the US soldiers.
 
but basically, if the US had done nothing, France would've been fycked.

if all of the countries that helped in the attack had attacked without the help of the US, they more than likely would've lost.
 
[quote name='Cracka']but basically, if the US had done nothing, France would've been fycked.

if all of the countries that helped in the attack had attacked without the help of the US, they more than likely would've lost.[/quote]

Yes, every country played an important part in the invasion and if even one of them had not participated the attack would have most likely failed.
 
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