[quote name='elprincipe']You make it out like Obama's closed Guantanamo and you're happy about that. I call you out on it, and you admit they are "trying" to do so.[/quote]
I'll do this slow because you're being so obtuse in your attempt to GOTCHA that you're going to need your hand held.
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a suffix forming the present participle of verbs (walking; thinking), such participles being often used as participial adjectives
You understand. I know you do. Forgive me if I don't do address anything else you say. It's just a waste of time, you see.
[quote name='atreyue']I don't want him to defend Wilson at all. I just wish he had voiced what exactly he thought the problem was after it happened. It seems like this way he gets to look like he's taking the high road while his "minions" make the accusations. Which is good if you want to be in a fight. I think part of the reason why he's steadily losing popularity is because he clearly has taken partisan shots since he won the presidency. He needs to step up the level of discourse to something that actually resembles discourse.[/quote]
But with who? The guy has tried to do the whole talk to em like grown ups thing and they yell you lie and hold up their 25 health care plans (lol) during the speech. Discourse doesn't work when one side is completely unable to reason or debate or negotiate. Even Snowe can't do it. Who's left? Glenn Beck?
Certainly sounds shitty enough. Too bad things like this don't get more face time.
Somewhere in bizarro world, there's a bizarro thrustbucket that complains that the media doesn't cover things like people screwing the miltary instead of... what was his last complaint? They didn't cover a Green Jobs czar?
Really?
I may be over-simplifying the situation, but how can taking on more of a financial burden help the economy? It would only work if it reduced what everyone had to pay into it. If that could be accomplished, it would surely take a long time to craft and multiple steps.
Sure. We have a single payer model overseas and in Massachusetts and in Arizona and many different hybrids. Some work, some don't. Some do things better than others. But we libs can't talk about it because the very act of speaking to a lib on this issue by a conservative is tantamount to being a traitor.
No one really trusts Congress. I'm going off the top of my head here, but I think their approval numbers were even lower than Bush's last year. And it's still debatable or too early to tell if any of the President's previous legislation has worked or will work.
Sure, but no one ever does trust Congress. It's too easy to give a group of 400+ people a failing grade (not that they don't deserve it). But a great example was 06, the Dems first year back in power in the leg. They passed some great bills (New GI Bill anyone?) and what was the Republican slogan that year?
The Do-Nothing Congress.
This, more than anything else, is where he won the race. I don't know if he just lied about his beliefs on the war(s) and doesn't intend to make changes or was just naive and a little too idealistic. And what do you hate about capitalism?
I think he was naive on it. I agree that we shouldn't just yank em though. But until we talk about the actual mission and how the options forward our national interest, nothing will be done.
If I start ranting on capitalism again my head is going to asplode.
I think Bush kicked the shit out of the Republicans, personally. All the democrats had to do was not pick another dud like John Kerry. And I agree about the honest partner thing. On both sides of the aisle. Nancy Pelosi has done far more damage to his image than any right-wing anybody. God knows no sane person wants her calling the shots. The problem is, that there are too many asshats in Congress that can be said about. I think Obama has started to realize that he needs to distance himself from them as much as he can afford to.
I can't imagine worse leaders than Reid and Pelosi. In my perfect world, Hillary would have been top dog in the Senate and Rahm in the House. Taking them was not a good idea.
That could easily be said of democrats as well. Everybody needs to do a better job of vetting candidates from the White House to the local school board more closely so that corruption can be stemmed and eventually stamped out.
You know, I have to disagree. During the Bush years, we watched every government contractor in the world walk away with no bid contracts that we knew was outright thievery. We watched every single department of government lie, cheat, and especially steal. From
Education to
Homeland Security to the Interior (
hope they throw your ass in jail Gale Norton you stealing bitch!) and let's not even talk about the Justice Department or any type of enforcement whatsoever. And then those asshole libertarians voted for him again.
If you wanna bitch that the Dems steal, sure, they do. Look at Jefferson. But I don't think it's systemic in the federal seat the way it is with Republicans. The Bush admin stole everything that wasn't nailed down. And so did Reagan.
As it is, every time there's a power shift between the 2 parties I feel like it's animal farm over and over again. I wonder if the Democratic party will be sending the Blacks or the Jews to the glue factory. Hmmm, votes or money? Quite the dilemma.
Go tell Ron Paul to negotiate a deal with the Dems. Go tell him he's going to have to give up on some shit he hates and he'll get something in return. Shit, Obama already gave the public option away with nothing in return. But to Paul, negotiation is heresy.
ing comes around. And guess what industry has given "Joe" over $400,000 in contributions (his 2nd biggest contributors)? Of course it's them. I don't even need to say who "they" are, do I?
