Mass Effect 2 Discussion - Fight for the Lost

[quote name='Ink.So.Well.']Heh. As magnificent as they all appear to be I'm actually going to forgo use of them for my initial run. I'd rather not risk ruining my first play-through donning armor I shouldn't have until later in the game if at all, really. Besides I'm looking forward to whatever leg work is necessary to earn what armor is available in game.[/QUOTE]I think of them as more of a bonus for all the hard work I put into ME1 :cool:
 
So far (with my limited knowledge of ME2) I'm really disappointed with the Armor designs. They are definitely badass, but I've always enjoyed the lore and the Universe more and the armor sets don't really fit the simplistic human designs ect. They are too JRPG looking...
 
[quote name='Tha Xecutioner']There's only 10 slots in the videos:


As for the title The Dirty Dozen, I'm not sure. Maybe 10 squadmates + Shepard + The Illusive Man? I've never seen the title explained.[/QUOTE]

Still holding out hope the 10th member is Liara.
 
I'd prefer the last slot be a ME1 love interest as well. Legion intrigues me but I'd prefer to keep it at arms length. I've already grown accustomed to the idea of never knowing where it is going to appear next due to its apparent fascination with Shepard. The MGS Gray Fox of ME so to speak so keeping it on a leash as a part of the crew would ruin a lot of the allure for me.

Ugh... SPOILER TAG PLEASE REI!

A lot of us have intentionally AVOIDED READING the achievement list so as not to spoil ourselves prematurely. -_-'
 
[quote name='Ink.So.Well.']I'd prefer the last slot be a ME1 love interest as well. Legion intrigues me but I'd prefer to keep it at arms length. I've already grown accustomed to the idea of never knowing where it is going to appear next due to its apparent fascination with Shepard. The MGS Gray Fox of ME so to speak so keeping it on a leash as a part of the crew would ruin a lot of the allure for me.

Ugh... SPOILER TAG PLEASE REI!

A lot of us have intentionally AVOIDED READING the achievement list so as not to spoil ourselves prematurely. -_-'[/QUOTE]
Huh? I didn't spoil anything. I merely said that the achievements most likely spoil the 10th member... I didn't even post the list. If you read the list that's your own problem
 
[quote name='OnyxPrimal']I wonder how much it's going to cost me to buy the Trerminus Armor on ebay...[/QUOTE]

wondering the same... I got a plan other wise
 
Well... My timing is an Absolute fail. Can't find ME1 anywhere or the places won't PM. :/ figures. I'd like to give a big fucking FAIL shout out to G$ and BB for having it but not PMing.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Huh? I didn't spoil anything. I merely said that the achievements most likely spoil the 10th member... I didn't even post the list. If you read the list that's your own problem[/QUOTE]

My mistake. I had forgotten Liara's absence on the frontlines was confirmed by devs months ago.

[quote name='VipFREAK']Well... My timing is an Absolute fail. Can't find ME1 anywhere or the places won't PM. :/ figures. I'd like to give a big fucking FAIL shout out to G$ and BB for having it but not PMing.[/QUOTE]

LOL @ even attempting Best Buy. Here in Ohio you'd have better odds slaying a dragon blindfolded with a toothbrush than working out a PM. You must either have balls of steel or actual human beings working in your locations compared to our demon spawn.
 
^For the most part that would be going against my morals. I don't want to get fully raped... partly will do.

[quote name='Ink.So.Well.'] ...actual human beings working in your locations compared to our demon spawn.[/QUOTE]

Yeah... I'm lucky here like that... :roll:
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']Well... My timing is an Absolute fail. Can't find ME1 anywhere or the places won't PM. :/ figures. I'd like to give a big fucking FAIL shout out to G$ and BB for having it but not PMing.[/QUOTE]
Isn't it only like $15 at GS? That's more than worth it...
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Isn't it only like $15 at GS? That's more than worth it...[/QUOTE]

I've been looking for Wolverine Dirt 2 so I caved and just got ME1 at GoHasting... I'm praying they don't dick me too...
 
I don't ever play RPG's and I don't really get engrossed by stories as my main motive for games is multiplayer, but I think I might want to play this game. Would it be worth trying, noting that I will not play through the first one?
 
[quote name='help1']I don't ever play RPG's and I don't really get engrossed by stories as my main motive for games is multiplayer, but I think I might want to play this game. Would it be worth trying, noting that I will not play through the first one?[/QUOTE]As far as story goes, they are making it easy to jump right into ME2 without playing ME1. Towards the beginning of the game, ME2 will incorporate a unique conversation that lets you (as someone who didn't play ME1 or import your character from that game) decide the events of ME1 and your character's personality/history (what type of person he/she is, where they were born and raised, the events that led to their "reputation" within the human fleet, etc.). They basically allow you to sum up ME1 in one conversation, rather than the numerous hours it takes to complete the first game.

That being said, I'm not sure what kind of experience you'll get out of this. Mass Effect 2 is veeeeery much an RPG and especially heavy on the amount of dialog and story. It is also very much a single player game (no online co-op or multi-player). Was there something in particular that caught your attention about this game - maybe a video(s) or something you read that got you interested?

If you're interested in this game as sort of an attempt to get into RPGs, then it could possibly work. The Soldier class is meant to appeal to fans of shooting games and to incorporate that style of play throughout the entire game. I'd honestly recommend this game to anyone remotely interested, but I think it's fair to warn you that Mass Effect 2 is about as far away from the non-RPG, non-story based, MP-based category as you can get.
 
So if I'm an FPS guy, I won't like this game? If it's like Too Human (that's the feeling I get for looks not the way it shoots) then I'll be ok with it I suppose.
 
This might have been answered before, but what bonus content access do you get for buying the collectors edition of ME:2?
 
I don't want to make it sound like if you primarily play FPS games - or shooters, in general - then you'll hate ME1 or ME2. I am merely letting those who haven't experienced either game (and who prefer shooters to RPGs) know that these games are at the other end of the spectrum in terms of overall gameplay. However, ME2 does dive a little deeper into the shooting genre - as some people have made loose comparisons of it to Gears of War.

There's 6 different types of ways to play the two games - biotic abilities (think Jedi-like abilities), tech abilities (debuffing, hacking), soldier abilities (guns, guns, and more guns) or a combination of the 3. For fans of the shooting genre, I think the safest bet would be to go with the Soldier class, as it basically turns the gameplay for you into somewhat of a typical over-the-shoulder shooter. However, you'll still be occasionally freezing the game to use powers or swap out ammo types and then jumping back in. There's also the fact that the game is still RPG-first, meaning that there's a lot of dialog before/after fights as well as during.

I'm including some videos for help1 and VipFREAK (as well as anyone else on the fence about this game) to show off the shooting aspects of ME2. Note that in the four gameplay videos, the player is using a class called the Vanguard which is half soldier, half biotic - so don't feel like you'll have to stop the combat as much to select these certain "powers" you see being used:

Soldier Class trailer for ME2
Gameplay Video 1
Gameplay Video 2
Gameplay Video 3
Gameplay Video 4

Hopefully these videos can give you a better feel for what the game will be like.

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[quote name='Larfox']This might have been answered before, but what bonus content access do you get for buying the collectors edition of ME:2?[/QUOTE]Here's a picture of what the Collector's Edition includes:



  • The full version of Mass Effect 2
  • Bonus in–game Collectors' Edition weapon and armor
  • 48–page hardcover art book
  • Limited Edition Cerberus Network card granting access to bonus content
  • Issue #1 of the Mass Effect Redemption comic book by Dark Horse comics.
  • All housed in a premium tin package with exclusive artwork.
 
[quote name='Tha Xecutioner']

I'm including some videos for help1 and VipFREAK (as well as anyone else on the fence about this game) to show off the shooting aspects of ME2.

Soldier Class trailer for ME2[/QUOTE]

This video alone makes it feel FPS like and a great reason I'd like to get this game. Anyway, thanks
 
This game isn't your typical hardcore RPG at all, people who like shooters I think could like this game a lot. I mean it's not like it's putting a sci-fi blanket over a game like Final Fantasy or Dragon Age. It's closer to a game like Gears of War in gameplay than a game like the ones I mentioned before IMO.
 
[quote name='cgarb84']This game isn't your typical hardcore RPG at all, people who like shooters I think could like this game a lot. I mean it's not like it's putting a sci-fi blanket over a game like Final Fantasy or Dragon Age. It's closer to a game like Gears of War in gameplay than a game like the ones I mentioned before IMO.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but if they aren't so good at the allocationg of skills to aid their play type then they may not have much fun with it. I have a couple of friends that had that problem with ME1.
 
The games I think of that are like ME reminds me of stuff like I said Too Human (all though again their aiming system fails hard), MGS (which I did have a hard time with), and GoW (like cgarb84 said which I would generally be able to handle).
 
If Mass Effect is looked at like a shooter you are going to have a problem. The game can have some pretty large gaps without any action.

The 2nd game seems to be taking care of this as they wanted to be more appealing, but the first game I don't think would be overly enjoyable to shooter fans. The production values of the game are so great though that you can't really not enjoy it at least somewhat.
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']If it's like RE4 (or is it 5... ?) in terms of shooting I'll want to pass altogether.[/QUOTE]
You mean being able to walk and shoot at the same time? You can do that in ME1/2.
 
You have to think of ME more like Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire, or Dragon Age honestly. Yes it has shooter elements but you need to allocate skills, and it's clear the focus is on the story and dialogue choices.
 
Everything seems to gravitate towards making each class unique, but Adept is only getting singularity?

Seems like the short stick this time around...

Engineer looks alright, tech was a lot of fun in the first game, but combat drones look kind of "eh."
 
[quote name='Bloodbooger']Everything seems to gravitate towards making each class unique, but Adept is only getting singularity?

Seems like the short stick this time around...
[/QUOTE]

That's because the Adept is already so fucking bad ass it doesn't need anything except a few new biotic powers. Oh yeaaaah can't wait to create some supernovas with my bare hands. :cool:
 
[quote name='Tha Xecutioner']4[/URL]

Here's a picture of what the Collector's Edition includes:



  • The full version of Mass Effect 2
  • Bonus in–game Collectors' Edition weapon and armor
  • 48–page hardcover art book
  • Limited Edition Cerberus Network card granting access to bonus content
  • Issue #1 of the Mass Effect Redemption comic book by Dark Horse comics.
  • All housed in a premium tin package with exclusive artwork.
[/QUOTE]

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough, I meant what does this include

Limited Edition Cerberus Network card granting access to bonus content
Click to expand...
 
[quote name='Dasflikko']That's because the Adept is already so fucking bad ass it doesn't need anything except a few new biotic powers. Oh yeaaaah can't wait to create some supernovas with my bare hands. :cool:[/QUOTE]

How about a champagne supernova?

[quote name='Larfox']Sorry if I wasn't clear enough, I meant what does this include[/QUOTE]

The Cerberus Network card is suppose to give access to exclusive in-game content, I believe.
 
[quote name='Bloodbooger']Everything seems to gravitate towards making each class unique, but Adept is only getting singularity?

Seems like the short stick this time around...

Engineer looks alright, tech was a lot of fun in the first game, but combat drones look kind of "eh."[/QUOTE]For each point you put into the Biotic Mastery skill for the Adept in ME2, you gain health bonuses, greater cooldown rates, and negotiation bonuses. Basically, you won't be the weakling that the ME1 Adept was and you'll be using powers continuously. Plus, Singularity is fucking awesome.

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Here are all the class specializations:
1. Soldier Class Talent = Combat Mastery
  • Commando - Commandos get an additional boost to weapon damage, storm speed, and power damage.
  • ShockTrooper - Shock troopers get a health boost, a power duration boost (which is great for adrenaline rush) and an additional boost to negotiation.

2. Engineer Class Talent = Tech Mastery
  • Mechanic - Mechanics are creature specialists. All their powers have a longer duration. This makes their summoned drones last longer before they despawn, and hacked enemies remain hacked for longer. Mechanics also receive an additional negotiation bonus, making them master negotiators.
  • Operative - Operatives are direct damage specialists. They do more damage with all their powers, particularly incinerate and overload.

3. Infiltrator Class Talent = Operative
  • Assassin - If you're more damage focused you'll want to become an Assassin, receiving an always-on boost to your weapon and power damage.
  • Agent - More strategic players will choose Agent for boosts to power recharge and duration, and a improved negotiation ability.

4. Sentinel Class Talent = Defender
  • Raider - Raiders receive a bonus to direct damage, making their overload and warp abilities incredibly deadly.
  • Guardian - Guardians receive an additional bonus to negotiation, and achieve the maximum possible reduction to power cooldowns.

5. Vanguard Class Talent = Assault Mastery
  • Destroyer - Destroyers receive an additional boost to power and weapon damage. This helps you get those essential one-shot kills that are vital to surviving a charge.
  • Champion - Champions receive a bonus to power recharge time and duration, as well as improved negotiation ability. This lets Champions charge more often, and also helps them talk their way out of difficult situations.

6. Adept Class Talent = Biotic Mastery

  • Bastion - Bastion increases the duration of your powers (singularity, pull), reduces cooldowns, and gives you full negotiation bonus.
  • Nemesis - Nemesis increases your power damage (warp, throw, shockwave) and also lowers cooldowns.




[quote name='Larfox']Sorry if I wasn't clear enough, I meant what does this include[/QUOTE]The details of the Cerberus Network Card haven't been announced yet. All the developers and marketing people keep saying "details coming soon" whenever it's brought up.
 
[quote name='Tha Xecutioner']As far as story goes, they are making it easy to jump right into ME2 without playing ME1. Towards the beginning of the game, ME2 will incorporate a unique conversation that lets you (as someone who didn't play ME1 or import your character from that game) decide the events of ME1 and your character's personality/history (what type of person he/she is, where they were born and raised, the events that led to their "reputation" within the human fleet, etc.). They basically allow you to sum up ME1 in one conversation, rather than the numerous hours it takes to complete the first game.

That being said, I'm not sure what kind of experience you'll get out of this. Mass Effect 2 is veeeeery much an RPG and especially heavy on the amount of dialog and story. It is also very much a single player game (no online co-op or multi-player). Was there something in particular that caught your attention about this game - maybe a video(s) or something you read that got you interested?

If you're interested in this game as sort of an attempt to get into RPGs, then it could possibly work. The Soldier class is meant to appeal to fans of shooting games and to incorporate that style of play throughout the entire game. I'd honestly recommend this game to anyone remotely interested, but I think it's fair to warn you that Mass Effect 2 is about as far away from the non-RPG, non-story based, MP-based category as you can get.[/QUOTE]

Well, I was interested in the first after all the praise it received, but then I heard the controls weren't that great for a third person shooter. Now this sequel is supposed to address that. My roommate just said that he is planning to buy it, so maybe I'll try it out for a little and see if I should buy my own copy, haha. Thanks for the response though.
 
[quote name='Tha Xecutioner']I don't want to make it sound like if you primarily play FPS games - or shooters, in general - then you'll hate ME1 or ME2. I am merely letting those who haven't experienced either game (and who prefer shooters to RPGs) know that these games are at the other end of the spectrum in terms of overall gameplay. However, ME2 does dive a little deeper into the shooting genre - as some people have made loose comparisons of it to Gears of War.

There's 6 different types of ways to play the two games - biotic abilities (think Jedi-like abilities), tech abilities (debuffing, hacking), soldier abilities (guns, guns, and more guns) or a combination of the 3. For fans of the shooting genre, I think the safest bet would be to go with the Soldier class, as it basically turns the gameplay for you into somewhat of a typical over-the-shoulder shooter. However, you'll still be occasionally freezing the game to use powers or swap out ammo types and then jumping back in. There's also the fact that the game is still RPG-first, meaning that there's a lot of dialog before/after fights as well as during.

I'm including some videos for help1 and VipFREAK (as well as anyone else on the fence about this game) to show off the shooting aspects of ME2. Note that in the four gameplay videos, the player is using a class called the Vanguard which is half soldier, half biotic - so don't feel like you'll have to stop the combat as much to select these certain "powers" you see being used:

Soldier Class trailer for ME2
Gameplay Video 1
Gameplay Video 2
Gameplay Video 3
Gameplay Video 4

Hopefully these videos can give you a better feel for what the game will be like.

--------------------------------------------------------------

Here's a picture of what the Collector's Edition includes:



  • The full version of Mass Effect 2
  • Bonus in–game Collectors' Edition weapon and armor
  • 48–page hardcover art book
  • Limited Edition Cerberus Network card granting access to bonus content
  • Issue #1 of the Mass Effect Redemption comic book by Dark Horse comics.
  • All housed in a premium tin package with exclusive artwork.
[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the videos. I have watched one video so far, and it seems like it is pretty fun combat wise. I guess I should put it like this:

I played two hours of Fallout 3, and I couldn't understand the praise at all. The FPS action was really poorly done, and I found the story to be long winded and boring. However, I found GTA 4's story to be interesting until about 50% through, where the story fell apart, becasue the story wasn't too over the top and the action wasn't clunky enough to deter me from playing. After watching these videos, it seems like mass effects gameplay will appeal to me, its just a matter of how the pacing and the dialogue selection scenes are done I suppose. Thankfully I will be able to try it out on my roommates copy a little before committing to the purchase. Howeer, I might just wait till summer vacation to play this, since I'll be free from college, haha.
 
Well, Fallout 3 was not built to be a FPS. It's an RPG that can be played from a first-person view. Games, like Mass Effect and Fallout 3, are blurring the line between genres, but they still tip further towards RPG, so the action elements may not appeal to those looking for a purely action-driven game.
 
Did they remove stasis from the game? Because I played the first as a Bastion Adept and stasis was pretty awesome, especially on charging Krogans.
 
[quote name='Amos333']Did they remove stasis from the game? Because I played the first as a Bastion Adept and stasis was pretty awesome, especially on charging Krogans.[/QUOTE]I have not seen Stasis mentioned or shown anywhere, so I'm guessing that it has been removed.
 
[quote name='CaptainJoel']You mean being able to walk and shoot at the same time? You can do that in ME1/2.[/QUOTE]

Yeah.

[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Well, Fallout 3 was not built to be a FPS. [/QUOTE]

I made that mistake of thinking it was... If any of ME is like the beginning of Fallout 3 I think I'll have to pass. That beginning of Fallout 3 made me want to find the developer, ask them wtf they were thinking, and then shoot them.
 
To each his own. Fallout 3 and Mass Effect are my two favorite Western RPGs. Not saying that ME is like Fallout 3, but just keep that in my mind. I love both of them to death.
 
[quote name='Darkside Hazuki']I just spotted the new OXM at the grocery store, and the cover story is the ME2 review...and the cover art looks like a GIANT SPOILER.[/QUOTE]

What you're thinking of has nothing to do with an actual storyline spoiler. If you really want to know what it's about:

Basically they're just making your Paragon/Renegade choices show in a more visual way than just opening up a new quest or two. The picture itself is just a Shepard that's gone down the Paragon route in dialogue.
 
[quote name='Draekon']What you're thinking of has nothing to do with an actual storyline spoiler. If you really want to know what it's about:

Basically they're just making your Paragon/Renegade choices show in a more visual way than just opening up a new quest or two. The picture itself is just a Shepard that's gone down the Paragon route in dialogue.
[/QUOTE]
How could that look like a spoiler?
 
[quote name='CaptainJoel']How could that look like a spoiler?[/QUOTE]


Some of the people partaking in discussion shutter at any mention of game details. Like this 10th member of your party. I don't know why people consider finding out who the 10th member is to be a spoiler. If you watched the vids then it's kind of obvious.

The fact that it's not Liara though is something some would consider a spoiler, which is in no way a spoiler. A spoiler would be mentioning that Liara turns on you and is actually Saran's lover.

If you consider Liara not being the 10th member to be a spoiler, then I don't know why you are here in this forum prerelease.

Also, anyone know what's up with the website? Hopefully there are some new goodies when it comes back!
 
[quote name='Draekon']What you're thinking of has nothing to do with an actual storyline spoiler. If you really want to know what it's about:

Basically they're just making your Paragon/Renegade choices show in a more visual way than just opening up a new quest or two. The picture itself is just a Shepard that's gone down the Paragon route in dialogue.
[/QUOTE]

Amen, thanks. My first impression was that
it was going the Locutus of Borg route. Did you mean to say Renegade?
 
[quote name='CaptainJoel']How could that look like a spoiler?[/QUOTE]

It's more courtesy for others than anything. After having people shout at you more times than you can count for saying something they don't care to hear, it's easier just to spoiler tag anything that could be viewed as a spoiler. Then anyone who's actually keeping up with the last page or two of the thread can usually tell whether or not they actually wish to view the text marked in the spoiler tags.

[quote name='Darkside Hazuki']Amen, thanks. My first impression was that
it was going the Locutus of Borg route. Did you mean to say Renegade?
[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that's what I meant.
 
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