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[dohdough]

Oh you mean when someone else claimed that we hate minorities? Yep.

So you admit to it having nothing to do with the topic at hand. Gotcha.

And just because I know you like to "forget" things, you asked me to find a post where you go off-topic.

"Oh yes things are so much better under Obama than Bush". I am sorry it is my fault for not being more clear. This comment implies that things are not better and thats it, therefore it could mean things are the same. I am gonna go ahead and make it clear for you again that things were better under Bush. Gosh I feel like I am gonna throw up just saying that.

*sigh* You used a heavily skewed and Very specific set of metrics to make your valuation while ignoring the environment and methods used by Bush and not the least bit critical. Focusing on superficial points like drones, which objectively kills far less people than the full mobilization of our military did is an important point. You also ignore the fact that Bush was limited in the technology he could utilize. No one is saying that it's great, but any non-idealogue can capitulate to the fact that drones reduce body counts compared to conventional warfare.

But no, try to tell me again how I'm just insulting you and making posts without context.

I never claimed to be an expert but then who is on these forums? It sure is not you after the shit you keep posting. It seems I know enough to refute your points across several threads and actually backing up with links to outside sources. You on the other hand just blabber away about me being a racist for support private property rights.

Ummm...no. You just repeat your mantras and drop strawmen. There are many avenues that you could have taken to refute the claims that I make while using facts and history, yet you haven't even come close to using them because you have no clue about them. I'm just going through the motions to see how deep the rabbit hole goes. So far, all I see is a typical right-wing nuthouse on the other side.

As for outside sources? LOLZ. Yeah, how about I start countering your outside sources with the same type of sensational and biased crap like from DailyKos? At least I don't have the intellectual dishonesty to pull stunts like that. I wish I could say the same for you. Or maybe you'd like to bump that thread where you were talking about the Violence Against Women Act, pretend to school me on it's issues, and then admit to not knowing a damn thing about it!

Nationalized would it is completely under the control of the government. Currently it is not and yet is going that way. Are hospitals public institutions? Hmm do they get public funding? Therefore does that mean that employees get money from the government Me thinks so. How about patients paying with medicare or medicaid? Is that a public insurance of sort?

By that metric, the food industry is being nationalized, the telecom industry is being nationalized, the energy industry is being nationalized, the sports industry is being nationalized, shit...just about EVERYTHING is being nationalized.

Again, does everyone have access to Medicare/-caid or TriCare? Do you even know how people get in on those programs?

How much in public funds do you think you get that's hidden in your paycheck(if you even work)? Using your own metric above, I can guarantee that it's more than zero.

Oh I see your still stuck on that. Sorry things are so confusing for you.

We clarified your stance and dishonesty; you decide to try to insult me for it because I exposed you as an ideologue. Good show, holmes.

Why should you feel embarrassed? I am not the one relying on the government for handouts. I want people to prosper and not be stuck in ghettos asking for phones and shitty healthcare. You seem to be fine with it. Good for you, great way to support your peeps.

And your solution to that? Create jobs and make sure people know that crack is whack.

Oh I don't know, I guess this particular sentence: "How is it more efficient to have 1000 different organizations that aren't networked doing the same shit?" or did you decide to flip flop?

I can see where your coming from by saying that private sector does not have the capability to help everyone during some tragic event. I will disagree with you and say it is possible. Government could just give the money to nonprofit organizations instead of funding a failed agency. I still disagree with that at the moment but it better what we have now.

Oh by the way I have never defended Republicans or conservatives in their attacks on Obama on military budgets. We spend way too much money on the military complex, I actually want to reduce the waste. Maybe you should learn to read good before making silly claims again.

For someone that wants to complain about me not having any reading comprehension, you sure do seem to not have much of it yourself. Or maybe I'm the crazy one for knowing the difference between private sector and private charities/churches. You know...the latter being the things you were talking about in the first damn place.

Me and countless others being a racist. Government being inefficient, socialism working, Obama being a terrible president and etc. What else did you have in mind?

Having black friends doesn't mean you don't harbor racist views towards them nor does it mean you don't act in a racist way.

Anything can be labelled as inefficient with your types of metrics.

Oh I know, you don't know what socialism is because you think it's communism and you don't know what communism is either. Btw, socialism is still capitalism. HTH

Obama being a terrible president? Only if EVERY president is considered terrible.

What else do I have in mind? Nothing because you've refuted nothing. There's something called "compare and contrast." Perhaps you've heard of it?

In my earlier posts in another thread I apologized to everyone I have insulted in this forum if I ever did. I want you to find at least one of my earlier posts where I did do such a thing. I dare you. Can't find anything? Thought so.

I get it...for you, it's ok to make passive aggressive insults(like you did with that macro insinuating that I'm developmentally challenged), but not call me an asshole. Do you consider being called a racist an insult then? Because you've called me that on a few occasions.

Did you? No? GG.

Wait, what? Did I break your brainz or something?

edit: I think I'm going to start toning it down a bit because you're getting more confused than usual. My apologies.

 

[mrsilkunderwear]

Looks like I need to split up my post.

So you admit to it having nothing to do with the topic at hand. Gotcha.

You are engaging me in this thread conversing in something other than the original topic. Seems we both go off topic from time to time.

*sigh* You used a heavily skewed and Very specific set of metrics to make your valuation while ignoring the environment and methods used by Bush and not the least bit critical. Focusing on superficial points like drones, which objectively kills far less people than the full mobilization of our military did is an important point. You also ignore the fact that Bush was limited in the technology he could utilize. No one is saying that it's great, but any non-idealogue can capitulate to the fact that drones reduce body counts compared to conventional warfare.

But no, try to tell me again how I'm just insulting you and making posts without context.

I am not ignoring anything nor am I am trying to skew anything for you. I have been giving you straight answers. Obama is a war criminal, Bush is too. Why you start bringing up technology limitation is beyond me as the same argument can me made for Obama.

Drone decrease body count? Sure, I agree. I have no problem witch technological advances. I have a problem when they are being used for means of war. I criticize Obama as he is the man that calls the shots. If Romney or McCain won the presidency then I would bag on them as well. It is strange that I have yet to see you criticize the democrats for following the same economical and foreign policies of Bush. It seems to me that you could only criticize the people on the gaming forums who you find inferior for following different political ideals and yet fundamentally share the same goals.

Ummm...no. You just repeat your mantras and drop strawmen. There are many avenues that you could have taken to refute the claims that I make while using facts and history, yet you haven't even come close to using them because you have no clue about them. I'm just going through the motions to see how deep the rabbit hole goes. So far, all I see is a typical right-wing nuthouse on the other side.

As for outside sources? LOLZ. Yeah, how about I start countering your outside sources with the same type of sensational and biased crap like from DailyKos? At least I don't have the intellectual dishonesty to pull stunts like that. I wish I could say the same for you. Or maybe you'd like to bump that thread where you were talking about the Violence Against Women Act, pretend to school me on it's issues, and then admit to not knowing a damn thing about it! [/QUOTES]
Pretty sure I have used facts and history to defend my claims. Maybe you were too afraid to clink on the links to find the truth. You are more than welcome to go through the old posts and see for yourself but I bet you will call me another name and move on.

Do you really think I only linked to conservative sites? Buddy maybe you should bump those threads instead. Also when did I ever try to school you on VAWA? If I remember correctly is that I have stated I was unfamiliar with a bill, you told me you were. So I proceeded to ask questions to which you did not reply and instead gave me a link so I could read the whole thing myself. I was not trying to debate you but instead gain insight. A few hours later you started calling me out not realizing that a bill as long as that takes days to read and properly analyze.

By that metric, the food industry is being nationalized, the telecom industry is being nationalized, the energy industry is being nationalized, the sports industry is being nationalized, shit...just about EVERYTHING is being nationalized.

Again, does everyone have access to Medicare/-caid or TriCare? Do you even know how people get in on those programs?

How much in public funds do you think you get that's hidden in your paycheck(if you even work)? Using your own metric above, I can guarantee that it's more than zero.

You find that a good thing when government is so involved in everything?

Did I say that everyone is using medicare or any other government assisted program? What I am trying to explain to you is that it is unnecessary and not everyone deserves it. Healthcare industry can survive without government and I would ever dare say to prosper.

Why don't you explain to me how much money I get from the government in my check? I am quite curious as I honestly do not know.

 

[mrsilkunderwear]

We clarified your stance and dishonesty; you decide to try to insult me for it because I exposed you as an ideologue. Good show, holmes.

I clarified my stance long ago when I have numerously stated that I am against both parties. I have attacked both parties and yet to see you attack your own for their own hypocrisy. The dishonesty is clearly yours.

You started to call me names along with other members and try to belittle us. This is not the first time this has happened in a simple debate. If I can not get through to you in a kind manner then maybe poking fun of your close mindedness will do.

And your solution to that? Create jobs and make sure people know that crack is whack.

Sure as hell would be more effective than giving people handouts without empowering them.

For someone that wants to complain about me not having any reading comprehension, you sure do seem to not have much of it yourself. Or maybe I'm the crazy one for knowing the difference between private sector and private charities/churches. You know...the latter being the things you were talking about in the first damn place.

So your saying Private Sector=/=Private Charities/Church programs? You sure?

Having black friends doesn't mean you don't harbor racist views towards them nor does it mean you don't act in a racist way.

Anything can be labelled as inefficient with your types of metrics.

Oh I know, you don't know what socialism is because you think it's communism and you don't know what communism is either. Btw, socialism is still capitalism. HTH

Obama being a terrible president? Only if EVERY president is considered terrible.

What else do I have in mind? Nothing because you've refuted nothing. There's something called "compare and contrast." Perhaps you've heard of it?

It also does not mean that I harbor any racists thoughts towards them nor do I act like a racist.

Then are you saying government is efficient? More efficient than the alternatives?

I was actually born into a communist country, I went through several dictatorships and have seen a government attack it's own people. I feel like a have better grasp than say you, a person who does not believe that a government with that much control can one day enslave their own citizens. Talk to me when a cop harasses you and threatens to throw you in jail because you stood on a square protesting a current "leader". Socialism is as much of Capitalism as Christianity is Islam.

No, Obama is just terrible.

Refuted nothing? Ok thats cool.

I get it...for you, it's ok to make passive aggressive insults(like you did with that macro insinuating that I'm developmentally challenged), but not call me an asshole. Do you consider being called a racist an insult then? Because you've called me that on a few occasions.

Racist, no. I was hoping that would be an eye opener for you but I guess not. On the other hand me claiming you have a simple mind, well that is what happens when you only talk shit about others when they only try to defend their points. When you belittle others and try to make them look guilty of something they are not, well then you will get a simplified response.

Wait, what? Did I break your brainz or something?

edit: I think I'm going to start toning it down a bit because you're getting more confused than usual. My apologies.

You sure getting there. It is hard to argue with someone like you. You seem to defend people like Obama then turn around and criticize Bush for doing the exact same thing. I believe a government that turns on its own and wastes billions of dollars is the best solution we can come up with? You prefer that we give the poor money that we do not possess and have to borrow from other nations instead of creating jobs? You prefer to have the government pass the bills that violate the constitution because you think it will give people more rights while restricting the rights of others? No man, my brain is fine but yours need to be looked at. Go take your medicaid card and have it looked over. Don't worry, its on us the American People.

 

[egofed]

Silk, fighting with doh is like masturbating with a cheese grater. While amusing, its never gonna get you to the promised land. Has he told you that he knows about a deep, dark secret you have, then never delivers? I gotta give him this , he's persistent. Myke fled the scene after acting like a total ass and I called him out on it. He never manned up and apologized. Maybe he will grow up.....errr....SHOW up and do so one day.

I hope no one is ever truly getting angry by anything posted on here. I'm actually glad that we have varied opinions, and that people are engaged enough to care. Wayyyyy too many American Idol idiots out there who are perfectly happy to be oblivious......Actually, maybe they are the smart ones. It seems the political elite are gonna do what they want, no matter how unpopular it is to the common man. Why stress ourselves out by peering behind the curtain. If it gets bad enough, change will come.

 

[dohdough]

You are engaging me in this thread conversing in something other than the original topic. Seems we both go off topic from time to time.

You're the one that led us down this rabbit hole. I'm just following you.

I am not ignoring anything nor am I am trying to skew anything for you. I have been giving you straight answers. Obama is a war criminal, Bush is too. Why you start bringing up technology limitation is beyond me as the same argument can me made for Obama.

Wait what? Why would Obama be limited by technology if he's using it now because drone technology wasn't mature enough for Bush's administration. Or are you trying to veer off into another direction again?

Drone decrease body count? Sure, I agree. I have no problem witch technological advances. I have a problem when they are being used for means of war. I criticize Obama as he is the man that calls the shots. If Romney or McCain won the presidency then I would bag on them as well. It is strange that I have yet to see you criticize the democrats for following the same economical and foreign policies of Bush. It seems to me that you could only criticize the people on the gaming forums who you find inferior for following different political ideals and yet fundamentally share the same goals.

Last time I checked, most of the democrats aren't trying to privatize everything like the Bush administration was. Why would I criticize them for that? As for foreign policy, I've talked at length about imperialism and foreign interventions. Not my fault you weren't around vs. for it.

You find that a good thing when government is so involved in everything?

Do you know what a "strawman" argument is? Cause this is a good example of one.

Did I say that everyone is using medicare or any other government assisted program? What I am trying to explain to you is that it is unnecessary and not everyone deserves it. Healthcare industry can survive without government and I would ever dare say to prosper.

Sounds like you don't know how Medicare(or Medicaid or Tri-Care) works. Why wouldn't someone deserve Medicare if they paid for it? Maybe you should learn about how those programs work before shooting off your ignorant opinions on it.

Why don't you explain to me how much money I get from the government in my check? I am quite curious as I honestly do not know.

Did any money from your employer come from someone that's paid from the government? You said that any institution that receives any public funds is semi-nationalized, right? Wasn't that your rationale for saying that the hospitals are public institutions? So I guess you not only work for the government, but they pay you too! Does that sound stupid? Of course it does, so what does that say about your argument about hospitals being public institutions?

I'll address the rest of your cornucopia of ignorance later.

 

[mrsilkunderwear]

You're the one that led us down this rabbit hole. I'm just following you.

So I respond to finger's post. You engage me and we start arguing. Sounds to me like its vice versa.

Wait what? Why would Obama be limited by technology if he's using it now because drone technology wasn't mature enough for Bush's administration. Or are you trying to veer off into another direction again?

I was under the impression you are talking about technology in general instead of just drones. Nonetheless I highly doubt there have been any huge leaps in drone tech as the numbers are quite high during the Bush era.

Last time I checked, most of the democrats aren't trying to privatize everything like the Bush administration was...

We are not talking about the number of privatizations, nor have I ever claimed that democrats had higher privatizations. In regards to you talking about foreign policy, sure I guess it is my fault for not being around that time. Why you go around and attack me then, makes no sense. Is it my fault that you have not seen any of my previous posts where I attacked republicans and conservatives? Then when I try to explain it to you, you just dismiss it. Anything wrong with that picture?

Do you know what a "strawman" argument is? Cause this is a good example of one.

K cool.

Sounds like you don't know how Medicare(or Medicaid or Tri-Care) works...

Haha, so your telling me that medicare is funded only by the people who pay into it? You are telling me that all participants of these programs paid into it? Now tell me, are there any illegal immigrants who might have received medicare or medicaid?

Did any money from your employer come from someone that's paid from the government?

My previous employer might have received something from the government but only for services provided. I see no problems with that. I see a problem when an entire or majority of the business is funded by the government. Heck even if the government grants $1 million to a business with a worth of $10 million it is still a problem. I find it discriminatory, why should the government decide who they want to fund and who not to? Do you really expect the people within the government to be fair when it comes to funding? Also it just goes against a natural principle of the free market. If a government decides to fund a business that is failing, losing money and will continue to do so because the market is not interested in the products offered. Wouldn't it be a good idea to move on?

Looking forward to reading more of my ignorance in the next exciting episode of DohDough VS Mrsilkunderwear.

 

[mrsilkunderwear]

Silk, fighting with doh is like masturbating with a cheese grater. While amusing, its never gonna get you to the promised land. Has he told you that he knows about a deep, dark secret you have, then never delivers? I gotta give him this , he's persistent. Myke fled the scene after acting like a total ass and I called him out on it. He never manned up and apologized. Maybe he will grow up.....errr....SHOW up and do so one day.

I hope no one is ever truly getting angry by anything posted on here. I'm actually glad that we have varied opinions, and that people are engaged enough to care. Wayyyyy too many American Idol idiots out there who are perfectly happy to be oblivious......Actually, maybe they are the smart ones. It seems the political elite are gonna do what they want, no matter how unpopular it is to the common man. Why stress ourselves out by peering behind the curtain. If it gets bad enough, change will come.

Myke was a tool and decided to hide behind the ignore button like a few others on these boards. Doh is persistent but ignorant. He does not choose to see that I am actually on his side, the difference of opinion is in the approach to solving the issues. It is his choice, if he wants to continue debating then there is enough amusement to keep me going.

 

[dohdough]

I clarified my stance long ago when I have numerously stated that I am against both parties. I have attacked both parties and yet to see you attack your own for their own hypocrisy. The dishonesty is clearly yours.

And what have you demonstrated on Vs.? Nothing but partisan hackery. Saying that you beat them both up doesn't mean that you have so here. I've probably criticized democrats more than you've criticized republicans, and that's saying something.

You started to call me names along with other members and try to belittle us. This is not the first time this has happened in a simple debate. If I can not get through to you in a kind manner then maybe poking fun of your close mindedness will do.

Sure as hell would be more effective than giving people handouts without empowering them.

Saying that you're going to create jobs doesn't mean that it's going to magically happen nor does telling someone that "crack is whack" breaks them from their addiction. So no, it's less effective because having a position isn't a plan and doesn't empower anyone.

Bombs are bad, people should eat when they're hungry, and wipe their ass when they shit. Yeah, that's some mind-blowing stuff right there.

So your saying Private Sector=/=Private Charities/Church programs? You sure?

Does the "private sector" only composed of private charities and church groups? No? Good. Glad we cleared that up.

It also does not mean that I harbor any racists thoughts towards them nor do I act like a racist.

You don't have to hate someone to be racist.

Then are you saying government is efficient? More efficient than the alternatives?

What alternatives? I'm saying that there are some things that the government is more efficient at than private organizations depending on context. Unlike you, I don't think ONLY government nor ONLY the market can solve every issue. I'm no ideologue and I'm the furthest thing from dogmatic, which is why I don't hang my arguments on "principle."

I was actually born into a communist country, I went through several dictatorships and have seen a government attack it's own people. I feel like a have better grasp than say you, a person who does not believe that a government with that much control can one day enslave their own citizens. Talk to me when a cop harasses you and threatens to throw you in jail because you stood on a square protesting a current "leader". Socialism is as much of Capitalism as Christianity is Islam.

Again with the dogma. I'm fully aware of what the government is capable of doing because I'm not ignorant of history nor am I ignorant of who pushes the government in that direction. The fact that you don't think those social constructs are related only speaks to your ignorance about them.

No, Obama is just terrible.

Just like every other president is, but unlike you, I realize that they're good and bad in different ways.

Refuted nothing? Ok thats cool.

Yeah, we're totally debating the superiority of different flavors of ice cream here.

Racist, no. I was hoping that would be an eye opener for you but I guess not. On the other hand me claiming you have a simple mind, well that is what happens when you only talk shit about others when they only try to defend their points. When you belittle others and try to make them look guilty of something they are not, well then you will get a simplified response.

All I see is you saying that you don't know much about something and making an uninformed opinion. If you can only defend it by saying "it's my opinion," well, why should I take it seriously?

You sure getting there. It is hard to argue with someone like you. You seem to defend people like Obama then turn around and criticize Bush for doing the exact same thing. I believe a government that turns on its own and wastes billions of dollars is the best solution we can come up with? You prefer that we give the poor money that we do not possess and have to borrow from other nations instead of creating jobs? You prefer to have the government pass the bills that violate the constitution because you think it will give people more rights while restricting the rights of others? No man, my brain is fine but yours need to be looked at. Go take your medicaid card and have it looked over. Don't worry, its on us the American People.

Wow, this is some serious projection and a shotgun blast of talking points here. But hey, we'd all be better off if we just tossed people on the street and have them rot because of some weird fetish with Horatio Alger, right?

Oh and LOLZ@ your "medicaid card" comment because you have no idea how it works.

This has been "fun," but it's painfully obvious that you really don't have a clue as to what you're talking about as if under-educated opinions steeped in dogma are somehow unbiased critiques teeming with context. Might want to put a check on your market fundamentalism, friend.

 

[mrsilkunderwear]

And what have you demonstrated on Vs.? Nothing but partisan hackery. Saying that you beat them both up doesn't mean that you have so here. I've probably criticized democrats more than you've criticized republicans, and that's saying something.

Well I did not see you criticize democrats nor Obama a single time. Sorry you did not my previous posts, not my fault.

Saying that you're going to create jobs doesn't mean that it's going to magically happen nor does telling someone that "crack is whack" breaks them from their addiction. So no, it's less effective because having a position isn't a plan and doesn't empower anyone.

Bombs are bad, people should eat when they're hungry, and wipe their ass when they shit. Yeah, that's some mind-blowing stuff right there.

Well how much detail are you asking for? Do you want me to tell you that I am trying to get the government out of the industries and fields it should not have had a presence in the first place? That alone would create jobs in a private market. Do you want me to tell you that I would legalize hemp and marijuana? There goes more jobs and more money. How about focusing our efforts to develop space technology instead of advanced weaponry. There we go, seems more detail than w/e you put out in this thread.

Does the "private sector" only composed of private charities and church groups? No? Good. Glad we cleared that up.

Yes and private sector is more efficient than the government. Good we both agree.

You don't have to hate someone to be racist.

Still does not mean that I am racist. Good try though.

What alternatives? I'm saying that there are some things that the government is more efficient at than private organizations depending on context. Unlike you, I don't think ONLY government nor ONLY the market can solve every issue. I'm no ideologue and I'm the furthest thing from dogmatic, which is why I don't hang my arguments on "principle."

I think we talked about charities so yeah.

Again with the dogma. I'm fully aware of what the government is capable of doing because I'm not ignorant of history nor am I ignorant of who pushes the government in that direction. The fact that you don't think those social constructs are related only speaks to your ignorance about them.

Yet, you keep asking for a bigger government. Talk about ignorance.

Just like every other president is, but unlike you, I realize that they're good and bad in different ways.

Negatives outweigh almost non existent positives. Same thing goes for Bush.

Yeah, we're totally debating the superiority of different flavors of ice cream here.

Vanilla is better than chocolate.

All I see is you saying that you don't know much about something and making an uninformed opinion. If you can only defend it by saying "it's my opinion," well, why should I take it seriously?

I am not asking you to, as a matter of fact you are more than welcome to click "ignore". I have stated my positions based on the information provided through the media, personal life experiences and other sources. If you do not like what I have to offer then walk away, no one is forcing you to listen.

Wow, this is some serious projection and a shotgun blast of talking points here. But hey, we'd all be better off if we just tossed people on the street and have them rot because of some weird fetish with Horatio Alger, right?

Oh and LOLZ@ your "medicaid card" comment because you have no idea how it works.

This has been "fun," but it's painfully obvious that you really don't have a clue as to what you're talking about as if under-educated opinions steeped in dogma are somehow unbiased critiques teeming with context. Might want to put a check on your market fundamentalism, friend.

Yes, lets throw everyone out on the streets. Obviously that is what I have been preaching here. Medicaid oh yes, trust me guys its not funded by the government. Laters.

 

[dohdough]

Yup.