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HowStern
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[quote name='UncleBob']If I get in a wreck, then go out the next day and buy automotive insurance, who would expect the insurance carrier to pay to replace my car?[/QUOTE]
You have the absolute worst sense of hypothetical arguments I've ever seen.
You are trying to say that insurers shouldn't cover Pre-Ex conditions. I get it, despite you awful attempt at making an argument, I get it. Except the equivalency of a car being totaled would be the person being dead.
If a person is still breathing there is a chance for treatment. No one should be denied that treatment.
Did you know that Japan has the longest life span? Guess who runs their health care system? Did you also know it's mandatory to be enrolled in a health care system in Japan?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Japan
This is basically what Obama wants for us. But thruogh fear tactics the GOP has scared every rube on the internet into believing it will kill us all.
You have the absolute worst sense of hypothetical arguments I've ever seen.
You are trying to say that insurers shouldn't cover Pre-Ex conditions. I get it, despite you awful attempt at making an argument, I get it. Except the equivalency of a car being totaled would be the person being dead.
If a person is still breathing there is a chance for treatment. No one should be denied that treatment.
Did you know that Japan has the longest life span? Guess who runs their health care system? Did you also know it's mandatory to be enrolled in a health care system in Japan?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Japan
This is basically what Obama wants for us. But thruogh fear tactics the GOP has scared every rube on the internet into believing it will kill us all.
JolietJake
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[quote name='Snake2715']If you have said it already excuse me what state are you in? Every carrier says you get no coverage from prex conditions correct?
Let me see what I can find out.[/QUOTE]
I'm in Tennessee, every carrier iv'e tried eventually denies me once the underwriters get hold of my application. I'm basically too much of a risk.
Let me see what I can find out.[/QUOTE]
I'm in Tennessee, every carrier iv'e tried eventually denies me once the underwriters get hold of my application. I'm basically too much of a risk.
JolietJake
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[quote name='UncleBob']If I get in a wreck, then go out the next day and buy automotive insurance, who would expect the insurance carrier to pay to replace my car?[/QUOTE]
The difference being that i can just go out and get a new car, i'm kinda stuck with my body.
The difference being that i can just go out and get a new car, i'm kinda stuck with my body.
[quote name='HowStern']You have the absolute worst sense of hypothetical arguments I've ever seen.
You are trying to say that insurers shouldn't cover Pre-Ex conditions. I get it, despite you awful attempt at making an argument, I get it. Except the equivalency of a car being totaled would be the person being dead.
If a person is still breathing there is a chance for treatment. No one should be denied that treatment.
Did you know that Japan has the longest life span? Guess who runs their health care system? Did you also know it's mandatory to be enrolled in a health care system in Japan?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Japan
This is basically what Obama wants for us. But thruogh fear tactics the GOP has scared every rube on the internet into believing it will kill us all.[/QUOTE]Japan may not be the best example. Many people die in an ambulance because they can't find a hospital to place them. I can't remember how many times I've read about some pregnant lady dying because they couldn't find a hospital for her.
Also, in Japan, hospitals actually have a closing time! That's not a joke, they close like at 6pm or some crap like that. Not cool.
You are trying to say that insurers shouldn't cover Pre-Ex conditions. I get it, despite you awful attempt at making an argument, I get it. Except the equivalency of a car being totaled would be the person being dead.
If a person is still breathing there is a chance for treatment. No one should be denied that treatment.
Did you know that Japan has the longest life span? Guess who runs their health care system? Did you also know it's mandatory to be enrolled in a health care system in Japan?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Japan
This is basically what Obama wants for us. But thruogh fear tactics the GOP has scared every rube on the internet into believing it will kill us all.[/QUOTE]Japan may not be the best example. Many people die in an ambulance because they can't find a hospital to place them. I can't remember how many times I've read about some pregnant lady dying because they couldn't find a hospital for her.
Also, in Japan, hospitals actually have a closing time! That's not a joke, they close like at 6pm or some crap like that. Not cool.
HowStern
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^Eh, worse shit happens here all the time. Like that
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this And Japan has a lot less doctors per patient there than we do.
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this And Japan has a lot less doctors per patient there than we do.
[quote name='JolietJake']The difference being that i can just go out and get a new car, i'm kinda stuck with my body.[/QUOTE]
I think it was kogg's sister bob was referring to as a used car.
The fact that this is basically how America lets a fellow human being be viewed in that way would be (to me anyway) an argument for universal healthcare, but bob is just that big of an asswipe.
I think it was kogg's sister bob was referring to as a used car.
The fact that this is basically how America lets a fellow human being be viewed in that way would be (to me anyway) an argument for universal healthcare, but bob is just that big of an asswipe.
Take it as you will, but I'm simply pointing out that the purpose of insurance is to protect you for stuff that happens after you begin paying for coverage.
No one would expect auto, home or life insurance to work in such a way that you can wait for the bad stuff to happen, buy coverage, then expect to have the bad stuff covered.
If you want "Universal Health Care", then call it that. It's not insurance you're wanting and it's not insurance you're expecting everyone else to pay for.
No one would expect auto, home or life insurance to work in such a way that you can wait for the bad stuff to happen, buy coverage, then expect to have the bad stuff covered.
If you want "Universal Health Care", then call it that. It's not insurance you're wanting and it's not insurance you're expecting everyone else to pay for.
[quote name='UncleBob']Take it as you will, but I'm simply pointing out that the purpose of insurance is to protect you for stuff that happens after you begin paying for coverage.[/quote]
I don't think that was the case with kogg's sister or jolietjake (as if they were just letting ride or something) when they lost coverage or and it is not the case for millions of other Americans either.
Kogg's sister and jolietjake are human beings not cars you clown.
Beats the Soylent Green option.
I don't think that was the case with kogg's sister or jolietjake (as if they were just letting ride or something) when they lost coverage or and it is not the case for millions of other Americans either.
Kogg's sister and jolietjake are human beings not cars you clown.
Beats the Soylent Green option.
JolietJake- Are you unemployed? If not, I take it you are self-employed. Would that be correct? I am not gonna get tied up in this argument but... in Germany I believe their plan is run in a manner that what you pay is somewhat based on income. The solution to this mess is a combination of what we have already and what other countries do as well. Personally, I am sick of the attitude that so many have that they are entitled to things in this country. For those that truly aren't productive members of society I could care less if they die. Don't go 
in mistaking this statement as it doesn't imply that if you have no job your not productive. For those making legitimate efforts at being productive member's of society I have no issue with assistance. As a country we need to stop wasting money helping all of these other countries around the world. Solve our own problems first.
Added: I do support providing care to people in situations such as Koggit's sister.
I also have a fiancee that is diabetic. She would not be covered if she left her job and wanted to be self-employed. Thus, she keeps a job where insurance is provided. Once married she can go on my plan. I also have 3 kids with autism. You think they don't have medical bills? Enormous, and there are lots of programs that ensure they get the necessary care.
in mistaking this statement as it doesn't imply that if you have no job your not productive. For those making legitimate efforts at being productive member's of society I have no issue with assistance. As a country we need to stop wasting money helping all of these other countries around the world. Solve our own problems first.Added: I do support providing care to people in situations such as Koggit's sister.
I also have a fiancee that is diabetic. She would not be covered if she left her job and wanted to be self-employed. Thus, she keeps a job where insurance is provided. Once married she can go on my plan. I also have 3 kids with autism. You think they don't have medical bills? Enormous, and there are lots of programs that ensure they get the necessary care.
speedracer
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rmb, I'm just curious what your thoughts are on Pat Buchanan.
[quote name='HowStern']^Eh, worse shit happens here all the time. Like that
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this And Japan has a lot less doctors per patient there than we do.[/QUOTE]Negligence by a bunch of morons is a big difference when compared to not being able to find an open hospital.
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this And Japan has a lot less doctors per patient there than we do.[/QUOTE]Negligence by a bunch of morons is a big difference when compared to not being able to find an open hospital.
HowStern
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^Completely disagree. I'd rather die in the hands of people who tried than by the hands of idiots who ignored me.
I, mean, unless what you are talking about is a regular thing but it sounds like a freak incident that happens sometimes. You aren't giving me any links or anything to see what you're talking about.
But, also, like I said Japan ha sa lot less doctors than us. So, they are going to have a harder time treating people. Whereas the links I gave you show people just plain being ignored despite us having the resources.
I, mean, unless what you are talking about is a regular thing but it sounds like a freak incident that happens sometimes. You aren't giving me any links or anything to see what you're talking about.
But, also, like I said Japan ha sa lot less doctors than us. So, they are going to have a harder time treating people. Whereas the links I gave you show people just plain being ignored despite us having the resources.
HowStern
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^Not less doctors. Less doctor
atient ratio. Their population is the reason if I had to guess. Here's a graph of their birth to death ratio.
atient ratio. Their population is the reason if I had to guess. Here's a graph of their birth to death ratio.[quote name='HowStern']But, also, like I said Japan ha sa lot less doctors than us.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='HowStern']^Not less doctors. Less doctoratient ratio.[/quote]
How am I supposed to know what you mean with your crazy moon language?
Let me rephrase my initial query: Why does Japan have a smaller percentage of the population that go into the medical field?
[quote name='HowStern']^Not less doctors. Less doctor
atient ratio.[/quote]How am I supposed to know what you mean with your crazy moon language?
Let me rephrase my initial query: Why does Japan have a smaller percentage of the population that go into the medical field?
JolietJake
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[quote name='Msut77']I think it was kogg's sister bob was referring to as a used car.
The fact that this is basically how America lets a fellow human being be viewed in that way would be (to me anyway) an argument for universal healthcare, but bob is just that big of an asswipe.[/QUOTE]
So? It applies to anyone with medical problems who can't get insured.
The fact that this is basically how America lets a fellow human being be viewed in that way would be (to me anyway) an argument for universal healthcare, but bob is just that big of an asswipe.[/QUOTE]
So? It applies to anyone with medical problems who can't get insured.
JolietJake
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[quote name='rmb']JolietJake- Are you unemployed? If not, I take it you are self-employed. Would that be correct? I am not gonna get tied up in this argument but... in Germany I believe their plan is run in a manner that what you pay is somewhat based on income. The solution to this mess is a combination of what we have already and what other countries do as well. Personally, I am sick of the attitude that so many have that they are entitled to things in this country. For those that truly aren't productive members of society I could care less if they die. Don't go in mistaking this statement as it doesn't imply that if you have no job your not productive. For those making legitimate efforts at being productive member's of society I have no issue with assistance. As a country we need to stop wasting money helping all of these other countries around the world. Solve our own problems first.
Added: I do support providing care to people in situations such as Koggit's sister.
I also have a fiancee that is diabetic. She would not be covered if she left her job and wanted to be self-employed. Thus, she keeps a job where insurance is provided. Once married she can go on my plan. I also have 3 kids with autism. You think they don't have medical bills? Enormous, and there are lots of programs that ensure they get the necessary care.[/QUOTE]
No, i have a job, i'm just not provided medical insurance. I work at my college and am not allowed enough hours to get medical insurance.
in mistaking this statement as it doesn't imply that if you have no job your not productive. For those making legitimate efforts at being productive member's of society I have no issue with assistance. As a country we need to stop wasting money helping all of these other countries around the world. Solve our own problems first.Added: I do support providing care to people in situations such as Koggit's sister.
I also have a fiancee that is diabetic. She would not be covered if she left her job and wanted to be self-employed. Thus, she keeps a job where insurance is provided. Once married she can go on my plan. I also have 3 kids with autism. You think they don't have medical bills? Enormous, and there are lots of programs that ensure they get the necessary care.[/QUOTE]
No, i have a job, i'm just not provided medical insurance. I work at my college and am not allowed enough hours to get medical insurance.
HowStern
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[quote name='UncleBob']How am I supposed to know what you mean with your crazy moon language?
Let me rephrase my initial query: Why does Japan have a smaller percentage of the population that go into the medical field?[/QUOTE]
I don't see anything to suggest they do have a smaller percentage who enter the medical field. One guess is they may have a higher population of children/minors than us who simply aren't able to do so. Since the minors are only eligible to be considered patients the patient:doctor ratio goes down. Or the opposite, since they have such a long life expectancy, there are too many elderly.
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Also the dec 2008 issue of Nat. Geo. had a good article about doctor migration and I was actually able to find it on their website.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/12/community-doctors/follow-up-text
It also states the UK, which has the NHS, has the highest percentage of doctors with an increasing amount of doctors going there to practice from abroad.
Let me rephrase my initial query: Why does Japan have a smaller percentage of the population that go into the medical field?[/QUOTE]
I don't see anything to suggest they do have a smaller percentage who enter the medical field. One guess is they may have a higher population of children/minors than us who simply aren't able to do so. Since the minors are only eligible to be considered patients the patient:doctor ratio goes down. Or the opposite, since they have such a long life expectancy, there are too many elderly.
edit:
Also the dec 2008 issue of Nat. Geo. had a good article about doctor migration and I was actually able to find it on their website.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/12/community-doctors/follow-up-text
It also states the UK, which has the NHS, has the highest percentage of doctors with an increasing amount of doctors going there to practice from abroad.
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[quote name='JolietJake']No, i have a job, i'm just not provided medical insurance. I work at my college and am not allowed enough hours to get medical insurance.[/QUOTE]
Simple solution, move to Minnesota. Not really, but here in your situation you would most likely qualify for Mncare which you pay based on income.
Simple solution, move to Minnesota. Not really, but here in your situation you would most likely qualify for Mncare which you pay based on income.
[quote name='Msut77']I know, it was just my way of emphasizing what a dick bag bob is.[/QUOTE]
Is this how Msut always is? When he disagrees but cannot come up with any thing to say, he resorts to name calling?
And they say "right wing" talk radio is all about the hate speech.
[quote name='HowStern']I don't see anything to suggest they do have a smaller percentage who enter the medical field. One guess is they may have a higher population of children/minors than us who simply aren't able to do so. Since the minors are only eligible to be considered patients the patient:doctor ratio goes down. Or the opposite, since they have such a long life expectancy, there are too many elderly.
[/QUOTE]
If they have a worse doctor to patient ratio, then that means fewer doctors per general population - meaning there are less people who are going out for that particular field of study (although, I guess just because they aren't becoming "doctors", it doesn't preclude them from looking into other fields of medical study).
More minors and elderly could be a good reason. I wonder what their percentages are compared to our percentages of age groups...
Is this how Msut always is? When he disagrees but cannot come up with any thing to say, he resorts to name calling?
And they say "right wing" talk radio is all about the hate speech.
[quote name='HowStern']I don't see anything to suggest they do have a smaller percentage who enter the medical field. One guess is they may have a higher population of children/minors than us who simply aren't able to do so. Since the minors are only eligible to be considered patients the patient:doctor ratio goes down. Or the opposite, since they have such a long life expectancy, there are too many elderly.
[/QUOTE]
If they have a worse doctor to patient ratio, then that means fewer doctors per general population - meaning there are less people who are going out for that particular field of study (although, I guess just because they aren't becoming "doctors", it doesn't preclude them from looking into other fields of medical study).
More minors and elderly could be a good reason. I wonder what their percentages are compared to our percentages of age groups...
i don't understand why a high doctor-to-patient ratio and high pay for those doctors is being discussed as desirable. the goal is to spend much less on care, which can be obtained three ways: fewer medical professionals, lower paid medical professionals, lower paid HMOs. none of which is inherently bad and cannot be used to hypothesize the effect on quality of care.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States#Health_care_spending
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States#Health_care_spending
[quote name='Koggit']i don't understand why a high doctor-to-patient ratio and high pay for those doctors is being discussed as desirable.[/QUOTE]
Who said anything about high pay for doctors? I wasn't aware that was ever mentioned.
High Doctor-to-patient ratio is a bad thing. That's what we were discussing as one of the flaws of the Japanese system. I'm wondering why Japan has a lower percentage of doctors vs population.
Who said anything about high pay for doctors? I wasn't aware that was ever mentioned.
High Doctor-to-patient ratio is a bad thing. That's what we were discussing as one of the flaws of the Japanese system. I'm wondering why Japan has a lower percentage of doctors vs population.
[quote name='UncleBob']High Doctor-to-patient ratio is a bad thing.
one of the flaws of the Japanese system . . . Japan has a lower percentage of doctors vs population.[/QUOTE]
you're contradicting yourself, i don't even know what you're trying to say now. proofread and fix it.
you chimed in with the ambiguous "I wonder why Japan has less doctors than the US...."
which i rationally assumed was your snide way of saying less pay results in fewer people wanting to be doctors, which you insinuated is a bad thing. either state your point or gtfo this isn't a topic for games.
one of the flaws of the Japanese system . . . Japan has a lower percentage of doctors vs population.[/QUOTE]
you're contradicting yourself, i don't even know what you're trying to say now. proofread and fix it.
you chimed in with the ambiguous "I wonder why Japan has less doctors than the US...."
which i rationally assumed was your snide way of saying less pay results in fewer people wanting to be doctors, which you insinuated is a bad thing. either state your point or gtfo this isn't a topic for games.
[quote name='UncleBob']Is this how Msut always is?[/quote]
I have never suffered fools lightly so yeah.
Is that what you call it? I am not the one having trouble arguing my position, meanwhile the clown car keeps pouring out posters comparing healthcare to luxury items like a Cadillac or claiming we can't afford a system like other countries have even though we already spend more than they do.
I have never suffered fools lightly so yeah.
Is that what you call it? I am not the one having trouble arguing my position, meanwhile the clown car keeps pouring out posters comparing healthcare to luxury items like a Cadillac or claiming we can't afford a system like other countries have even though we already spend more than they do.
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[quote name='HowStern']^Completely disagree. I'd rather die in the hands of people who tried than by the hands of idiots who ignored me.
I, mean, unless what you are talking about is a regular thing but it sounds like a freak incident that happens sometimes. You aren't giving me any links or anything to see what you're talking about.
But, also, like I said Japan ha sa lot less doctors than us. So, they are going to have a harder time treating people. Whereas the links I gave you show people just plain being ignored despite us having the resources.[/QUOTE]OK, I've got lots of links for you.
Link 1
Link 2
Link 3
Link 4
Link 5
The last one has this tidbit:
I, mean, unless what you are talking about is a regular thing but it sounds like a freak incident that happens sometimes. You aren't giving me any links or anything to see what you're talking about.
But, also, like I said Japan ha sa lot less doctors than us. So, they are going to have a harder time treating people. Whereas the links I gave you show people just plain being ignored despite us having the resources.[/QUOTE]OK, I've got lots of links for you.
Link 1
Link 2
Link 3
Link 4
Link 5
The last one has this tidbit:
HowStern
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The first link is just a malpractice suit. We have that here all the time.
The rest of the links are definitely from a shortage of doctors though.
But I provided 2 links that were equally awful that happened here and found those in under a minute I'm sure another minute or two would drag up a few more.
But Japan definitely has a shortage of doctors, no doubt.
The rest of the links are definitely from a shortage of doctors though.
But I provided 2 links that were equally awful that happened here and found those in under a minute I'm sure another minute or two would drag up a few more.
But Japan definitely has a shortage of doctors, no doubt.
[quote name='Koggit']for my sis with chiari, they only cover pain meds (and give $500/mo disability).. they don't cover stuff like spinal decompression surgery ($300,000) or the repair of that hardware when it breaks ($65,000), both of which she's already needed and she's only 25..[/QUOTE]
The law says 18 months of pre x. What state are you in? I suspect there is a guaranteed issue carrier (Blue Cross) that you can get with and then in 18 months you will have pre x waived. Whether or not those carriers will pay the services you want or need is another story.
Again what state are you or her resident in?
The law says 18 months of pre x. What state are you in? I suspect there is a guaranteed issue carrier (Blue Cross) that you can get with and then in 18 months you will have pre x waived. Whether or not those carriers will pay the services you want or need is another story.
Again what state are you or her resident in?
[quote name='Snake2715']The law says 18 months of pre x. What state are you in? I suspect there is a guaranteed issue carrier (Blue Cross) that you can get with and then in 18 months you will have pre x waived. Whether or not those carriers will pay the services you want or need is another story.
Again what state are you or her resident in?[/QUOTE]
louisiana, and as i mentioned, we were insured when she was diagnosed
Again what state are you or her resident in?[/QUOTE]
louisiana, and as i mentioned, we were insured when she was diagnosed
[quote name='Koggit']you're contradicting yourself, i don't even know what you're trying to say now. proofread and fix it.
you chimed in with the ambiguous "I wonder why Japan has less doctors than the US...."
which i rationally assumed was your snide way of saying less pay results in fewer people wanting to be doctors, which you insinuated is a bad thing. either state your point or gtfo this isn't a topic for games.[/QUOTE]
I do apologize, I obviously meant to say that less doctors for more people is a bad thing and I'm wondering why Japan does have less doctors per patients than the US. Any useful ideas?
you chimed in with the ambiguous "I wonder why Japan has less doctors than the US...."
which i rationally assumed was your snide way of saying less pay results in fewer people wanting to be doctors, which you insinuated is a bad thing. either state your point or gtfo this isn't a topic for games.[/QUOTE]
I do apologize, I obviously meant to say that less doctors for more people is a bad thing and I'm wondering why Japan does have less doctors per patients than the US. Any useful ideas?
[quote name='UncleBob']I do apologize, I obviously meant to say that less doctors for more people is a bad thing and I'm wondering why Japan does have less doctors per patients than the US. Any useful ideas?[/QUOTE]
teh googles, they do something.
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/45/51/38979974.pdf
teh googles, they do something.
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/45/51/38979974.pdf
Japan has fewer physicians per capita than most other OECD countries. In 2006, Japan had 2.1 practicing physicians per 1 000 population, well below the OECD average of 3.1. The relatively low number of
doctors per capita in Japan is due at least partly to government policies fixing limits on the number of new
entrants in medical schools.
doctors per capita in Japan is due at least partly to government policies fixing limits on the number of new
entrants in medical schools.
Nice link - very interesting (something I want to comment on in a second) - but this is half the answer (well, less than half when you consider the "at least partly" phrase). Why is the government putting limits on the quantity of medical students? Seems weird.
One of the things that gets thrown out about the Japanese health care system is that their citizens have a longer life expectancy. It would appear (according to this one article, at least) this is largely due in part to less deaths from heart disease. Obesity, one of the leading causes of heart disease is obviously a lot smaller of a problem in Japan than it is here.
Perhaps the key to longer life expectancy is less about a universal health solution than it is about less "us"?
[quote name='UncleBob']Obesity, one of the leading causes of heart disease is obviously a lot smaller of a problem in Japan than it is here.
Perhaps the key to longer life expectancy is less about a universal health solution than it is about less "us"?[/QUOTE]
Would have to agree with that observation!
Perhaps the key to longer life expectancy is less about a universal health solution than it is about less "us"?[/QUOTE]
Would have to agree with that observation!
HowStern
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[quote name='UncleBob']
One of the things that gets thrown out about the Japanese health care system is that their citizens have a longer life expectancy. It would appear (according to this one article, at least) this is largely due in part to less deaths from heart disease. Obesity, one of the leading causes of heart disease is obviously a lot smaller of a problem in Japan than it is here.
Perhaps the key to longer life expectancy is less about a universal health solution than it is about less "us"?[/QUOTE]
check this out, though. Maybe if our healthcare system did something as simple as this lol.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/world/asia/13fat.html
One of the things that gets thrown out about the Japanese health care system is that their citizens have a longer life expectancy. It would appear (according to this one article, at least) this is largely due in part to less deaths from heart disease. Obesity, one of the leading causes of heart disease is obviously a lot smaller of a problem in Japan than it is here.
Perhaps the key to longer life expectancy is less about a universal health solution than it is about less "us"?[/QUOTE]
check this out, though. Maybe if our healthcare system did something as simple as this lol.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/world/asia/13fat.html
paddlefoot
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[quote name='Koggit']i don't understand why a high doctor-to-patient ratio and high pay for those doctors is being discussed as desirable. the goal is to spend much less on care, which can be obtained three ways: fewer medical professionals, lower paid medical professionals, lower paid HMOs. none of which is inherently bad and cannot be used to hypothesize the effect on quality of care.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States#Health_care_spending[/QUOTE]
You've mentioned it before, but finding a way to lower insurance costs for all parties would be a great first step.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States#Health_care_spending[/QUOTE]
You've mentioned it before, but finding a way to lower insurance costs for all parties would be a great first step.
[quote name='HowStern']check this out, though. Maybe if our healthcare system did something as simple as this lol.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/world/asia/13fat.html[/QUOTE]
Considering that here, patients file complaints when a doctor tells them that they are obese, I could see how well that type of program would go over.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/world/asia/13fat.html[/QUOTE]
Considering that here, patients file complaints when a doctor tells them that they are obese, I could see how well that type of program would go over.
JolietJake
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Alright, i get what appears to be an adult and child, but why the hell si the dog involved?:lol:
HowStern
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[quote name='UncleBob']Agreed - but we ('we' in the generalized sense, as in "we Americans") are going to have to see a major reform in our lifestyles and attitudes before any kind of major health system reform will be effective.[/QUOTE]
I think the reverse is true and I'll explain why. Statistics show that obesity levels are highest for the poor. (see: Correlation between Obesity and Poverty)
So, it's safe to say the majority of these people have no health insurance.
Perhaps if they did, and they had a doctor to "measure their waist" so to speak and tell them they need to lose weight or else, obesity levels would drop. Helping eliminate heart disease and other obesity related diseases and cut care costs.
I think the reverse is true and I'll explain why. Statistics show that obesity levels are highest for the poor. (see: Correlation between Obesity and Poverty)
So, it's safe to say the majority of these people have no health insurance.
Perhaps if they did, and they had a doctor to "measure their waist" so to speak and tell them they need to lose weight or else, obesity levels would drop. Helping eliminate heart disease and other obesity related diseases and cut care costs.
[quote name='HowStern']I think the reverse is true and I'll explain why. Statistics show that obesity levels are highest for the poor. (see: Correlation between Obesity and Poverty)
So, it's safe to say the majority of these people have no health insurance.
Perhaps if they did, and they had a doctor to "measure their waist" so to speak and tell them they need to lose weight or else, obesity levels would drop. Helping eliminate heart disease and other obesity related diseases and cut care costs.[/QUOTE]
No, because when the doctor measures someone's waist and tells them they need to lose weight, they get mad, file a complaint against the doctor, then go to McDonald's for a Big Mac and Large fries.
So, it's safe to say the majority of these people have no health insurance.
Perhaps if they did, and they had a doctor to "measure their waist" so to speak and tell them they need to lose weight or else, obesity levels would drop. Helping eliminate heart disease and other obesity related diseases and cut care costs.[/QUOTE]
No, because when the doctor measures someone's waist and tells them they need to lose weight, they get mad, file a complaint against the doctor, then go to McDonald's for a Big Mac and Large fries.
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[quote name='UncleBob']No, because when the doctor measures someone's waist and tells them they need to lose weight, they get mad, file a complaint against the doctor, then go to McDonald's for a Big Mac and Large fries.[/QUOTE]
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That's about the same thing I was thinking. You've got to be pretty stupid if the only way you know you need to lose weight is if a doctor tells you to.
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That's about the same thing I was thinking. You've got to be pretty stupid if the only way you know you need to lose weight is if a doctor tells you to.
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Nah I think when they actually see a piece of paper with their cholesterol levels on it, and it sinks into their brain like the trans fat from their biggie fries that they are in trouble, there is a better chance they will lose weight.
I actually know a rather large woman who has always been large but recently the doctor told her her cholesterol was too high and she would die. She started eating healthy that day. I just thought of another one as I wrote that actually. The second one got a gym membership and goes every day but still isn't eating as well as she should.
I actually know a rather large woman who has always been large but recently the doctor told her her cholesterol was too high and she would die. She started eating healthy that day. I just thought of another one as I wrote that actually. The second one got a gym membership and goes every day but still isn't eating as well as she should.
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[quote name='HowStern']I actually know a rather large woman who has always been large but recently the doctor told her her cholesterol was too high and she would die. She started eating healthy that day. I just thought of another one as I wrote that actually. The second one got a gym membership and goes every day but still isn't eating as well as she should.[/QUOTE]
Seems to me that is where common sense should kick in. Being overweight and not eating healthy = your probably have bad cholesterol levels and a lot of stress added on to your heart. It shouldn't take a doctor going, "hey your cholesterol levels are high, you should probably start eating healthy and try losing a few pounds" to get someone to lose a few pounds.
Seems to me that is where common sense should kick in. Being overweight and not eating healthy = your probably have bad cholesterol levels and a lot of stress added on to your heart. It shouldn't take a doctor going, "hey your cholesterol levels are high, you should probably start eating healthy and try losing a few pounds" to get someone to lose a few pounds.
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[quote name='perdition(troy']Seems to me that is where common sense should kick in. Being overweight and not eating healthy = your probably have bad cholesterol levels and a lot of stress added on to your heart. It shouldn't take a doctor going, "hey your cholesterol levels are high, you should probably start eating healthy and try losing a few pounds" to get someone to lose a few pounds.[/QUOTE]
How are those common sense issues? You inherently know exactly what you should be eating and how much you should exercise? How many people in the projects in the trailer park even know what cholesterol is and they're supposed to magically know that they have dangerously high levels of it?
How many other things are common sense? How about using CAG, Goozex, or GameTZ to trade games instead of Gamestop? You'd think that people would just know where they could get the most value and would seek it out. Do they use this magic common knowledge? No. Instead they just go to the store because it's the only place they know.
It's the same thing. The only restaurants anyone sees outside of downtown metropolitan areas are fast food joints and gas stations. If it's so bad, why is it the only food available to most people?
Common knowledge for the poor:
Fast food is cheap, easy to find, and tastes good.
How are those common sense issues? You inherently know exactly what you should be eating and how much you should exercise? How many people in the projects in the trailer park even know what cholesterol is and they're supposed to magically know that they have dangerously high levels of it?
How many other things are common sense? How about using CAG, Goozex, or GameTZ to trade games instead of Gamestop? You'd think that people would just know where they could get the most value and would seek it out. Do they use this magic common knowledge? No. Instead they just go to the store because it's the only place they know.
It's the same thing. The only restaurants anyone sees outside of downtown metropolitan areas are fast food joints and gas stations. If it's so bad, why is it the only food available to most people?
Common knowledge for the poor:
Fast food is cheap, easy to find, and tastes good.
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Like depescal said it isn't common knowledge for some people surpisingly.
http://mystateline.com/content/fulltext/?cid=75501
Take a look at that.
This is exactly why we need get these people insurance.
http://mystateline.com/content/fulltext/?cid=75501
Take a look at that.
This is exactly why we need get these people insurance.
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