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NEW THREAD HERE http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10172798

First post contains promo information & useful information and frequently asked questions. Second post has the values for games for Microsoft devices. Third post has the values for games for Nintendo devices. Fourth post has the values for games for Sony devices. Fifth post hardware values. Sixth post is open for expansion/reorganization.

Instructions on finding games in the database and inputting the values from different sections can be found in my blog post here: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/blog.php?b=14143. I would put the entire post in the thread but this is already kind of a large post.

Upcoming Promotions:

Black Friday Trade Deals

[quote name='Anonymous GameStop Employee']20% extra credit on trades toward refurbished/new electronics
25% bonus trade in credit when trading in 2 games
Double trade in credit on any system
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Current Promotions:
GameStop.com Information (will post it when they update it)


Trade 3 get $10 (11/18/12)
[quote name='GameStop.com'] Get $10 extra in-store credit when you trade any 3 games

Games with a trade value less than $2.00 are excluded from offer. Offer valid only toward games normally accepted in trade. Offer not good on cash trades. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. Offer subject to change at anytime. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer valid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice.
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$25 Hardware Bonus, Select Systems (11/18/12)
[quote name='GameStop.com']Get an extra $25 in-store credit when you trade any PS3, Xbox 360, PS Vita or 3DS system

Offer not good on cash trades. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Hardware must have all necessary components for trade. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer vailid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice.
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$30 Guaranteed, Select Games (Varied)
[quote name='GameStop.com']Guaranteed $30 in store credit when you trade select games (within 30 days of release) View Now

$30 value is net value after trade. Trade must be in full working condition to receive full value. Valid only toward items normally accepted in trade. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Subject to manager approval. See store associate for details. No dealers. Some exclusions may apply. Offer valid only while new game is priced $49.99 or higher. Offer valid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice. Offer expiration varies by title.
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Assassin's Creed III PS3 Bundle Upgrade Offer (11/11/12)
[quote name='GameStop.com']Get $75 extra in-store credit when you trade any PS3 toward a new PS3 500GB Assassin’s Creed III bundle.”

Full trade amount must be applied toward the purchase of a new PS3 500GB Assassin's Creed III bundle. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Defective items may be eligible for trade at a lesser value. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. Offer valid only toward items normally accepted in trade. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer valid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice. Offer valid 10/30/12 through 11/11/12.
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Sony Collections Trade Offer (11/14/12)
[quote name='GameStop.com']Get 50% extra in-store credit when you trade any games toward the purchase of select Sony collections. Exclusively for PowerUp Rewards members


Eligible Games
- Ratchet & Clank Collection - $39.99
-God of War Saga - $39.99
- Jak and Daxter Collection - $39.99
- Ico and Shadow of the Colossus Collection - $19.99
- InFAMOUS Collection $19.99
- Journey Collector’s Edition- $29.99
- Uncharted Dual Pack - $39.99
- Killzone Trilogy - $39.99


Legal: Full trade amount must be applied toward the purchase of participating games. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Defective items may be eligible for trade at a lesser value. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. Offer valid only toward items normally accepted in trade. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer valid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice. Offer valid 11/1/12 through 11/14/12.
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Power Up Rewards Exclusive Hardware Values (11/11/12)
[quote name='GameStop.com']PowerUp Rewards exclusive hardware trade offers are here. Trade in your system to score these exclusive trade prices.

  • Xbox 360 orig - $80
  • Xbox 360 slim - $125
  • PS3 - $125
  • Wii - $40
  • 3DS - $75
  • DSi - $50
  • DS Lite - $40
  • PS Vita - $90
  • PS2 - $30
Values are net after trade. Offer not good on cash trades. Hardware must be in full working condition to be eligible for this offer. Defective hardware may be eligible for trade at a lesser value. Hardware must have all necessary components for trade. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer vailid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice. Offer valid 11/6/12 through 11/11/12.
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30% Power Trade (1/6/13)
[quote name='GameStop.com']Get 30% extra in-store credit when you trade any items toward a new copy of select games. http://www.gamestop.com/mrkt/landing/pre-pay-bonus-30-trade-credit/

Full trade value amount must be applied toward the pre-order/purchase of a new copy of a participating game. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. Offer valid only toward items normally accepted in trade. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer valid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice. [/QUOTE]


PC Download Power Trade (11/5/12)
[quote name='GameStop.com']Power Trade: Get an extra 25% in-store credit when you trade any games toward Prototype Franchise bundle, Dead Space Bundle, F.E.A.R. bundle or Dawnguard DLC digital downloads.

Full trade value amount must be applied toward the purchase of PC download of Prototype Franchise bundle, Dead Space Bundle, F.E.A.R. bundle or Dawnguard DLC. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. Offer valid only toward games normally accepted in trade. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer valid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice. [/QUOTE]


25% Headset Offer (11/5/12)
[quote name='GameStop.com']Get an extra 25% in-store credit when you trade any items toward a new headset. including Turtle Beach, Tritton, Beats and more!

Full trade amount must be applied toward the purchase of new headset. Trades must be in full working condition to receive full value. Cannot be combined with any other offer. Trade-ins subject to manager approval. Offer valid only toward items normally accepted in trade. See store associate for details. No dealers. Offer valid in the United States, Puerto Rico and Guam only. Void where prohibited. GameStop, Inc. reserves the right to cancel, terminate, modify or suspend the offer for any reason without notice. [/QUOTE]


GAMESTOP USED GAME PRODUCT ID(thanks Xfactor4)
THE GAMESTOP USED GAME PRODUCT ID "CRACKED":

:gc:=916xxx
:360:=952xxx
:ps2:=938xxx or 939xxx
:wii:=917xxx
:psp:=935xxx
:ds:=919xxx
:ps3:=930xxx
:gba:=914xxx
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FAQ
These trade-in values are really low!
While that may be true, if you combine the games with the right promotion they can work to your advantage. There are knowledgeable people in this thread that are normally willing to help.

Is there any way to look at what the previous values reported on a game?
You can search through this thread and previous ones to see what a game has been reported in the past. With the TIV Tracker you can sort by date and then go through the list of past updated values through that as well. Here are the previous GS TIV Threads: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16,,,,,,,,

Can I trade-in sealed games?
No. You might come across the rare GameStop that would let you do it, but they are going to open them anyway.

I don't want to get hassled about the values I post, how can I get the information out there?
If you do not feel comfortable or willing to put the values in the thread you have two options available. You can input them in the TIV tracker or you can send them to me via PM. Either way the database and these lists will be updated. Putting them into the TIV tracker does save me some time later on.

Do trade-ins have to have their original case, insert and manual?
No, however it will be YMMV on if they charge you a refurbish fee for them in that condition. Most GameStops wont charge a fee but there are some that charge for incomplete games.

Will they accept my game if it is really beat up?
YMMV. It really all depends upon the employee you get. Some will charge refurbish fees, some wont, some wont accept the game and others just take them without a second glance.

What are the refurb fees on games?
There appears to be set prices for set value ranges. We aren't 100% certain on the splits just yet. Here is what we have currently:
$0.25-$2 Value: $0.75 Refurb Fee
$2.01-$4 Value: $1 Refurb Fee
$4.01-$7 Value: $2 Refurb Fee
$7.01-$10 Value: $3 Refurb Fee
$10.01 & Higher Value: $4 Refurb Fee
This information isn't guaranteed by any mean and we are still working on nailing it down.

What are the refurb fees on consoles?
They are listed in the hardware TIV section, highlight in red.

I have a Collector's/Limited/Special edition of a game, do I have to trade-in all of the extras?
No, but there are a handful of games that their variations have separate listings at GameStop: Madden 09 Anniversary Edition, Battlefield: Bad Company Gold Edition, and a few others.

Why didn't the percent bonus go for my accessory for a system that was included?
Unless stated otherwise, and they are rarely included, the bonuses never apply to accessories. Except the EDGE card of course.

I traded in a bunch of games for the "Trade X, get $X bonus" promo and it gave me the percentage bonus instead?
I can't give concretes on why this happens. GameStop computers are normally pretty good at giving you the better promo. In the case of a percentage bonus being run at the same time as a "Trade X, get $X" promo, things can get messy. The system appears to only give one promo on games per transaction so if you had a few games that you want to go to the percentage bonus and a stack for the "Trade X, Get $X" it will regularly apply the percentage to all of the games. Your best bet is to do all "Trade X, Get $X" games in one transaction on their own. The GameStop clerk may say that the system will figure it all out, tell them you want a separate transaction anyway. As always, check your receipt before you leave the store.

Can I trade in multiple copies of the same game?
YMMV. The official policy is no, but there are some GameStops that overlook that rule.

What all do I have to trade in for a console trade-in?
Xbox 360: Console Unit, power brick, A/V Cables, Controller (wired/wireless)
Wii: Console Unit, Power Cable, A/V Cables, Wiimote, Nunchuck, Sensor Bar
Playstation 3: Console Unit, Power Cable, A/V Cable, Controller, USB Cable
Playstation 2: Console Unit, Power Cable, A/V Cable, Controller (Must be a DualShock2) *Fat unit requires either back cover or network adapter*
GameCube: Console Unit, Power Cable, A/V Cable, Controller
PSP: Handheld, A/C Adapter
Nintendo DS/DSLite/DSi: Handheld, A/C Adapter, Stylus

Can I trade in a defective/broken console?
For the most part yes. If it powers on but doesn't play games, they will take the console as a refurb unit and put a refurb fee on the console. The refurb fee on the console will vary on the price of the console so those numbers will change. You are still required to trade in everything required listed in the question directly above. They will not, however, take RROD 360 consoles. There may be stores that still do it, but official policy is to not take them in.

What is the difference between PowerUp Rewards and PowerUp Rewards Pro?
The basic card is free and only allows you to acrew points when spending money. The Pro card costs $14.99 and is basically the same as the previous EDGE program.

How much does a PowerUp Rewards Pro subscription cost?
It costs $14.99 and is good for a year. It also comes with a 1-year subscription to Game Informer magazine.

What bonuses come with having an PowerUp Rewards Pro card?
You will get an extra 10% trade-in credit on the base value of the game, extra 10% off the purchase of pre-owned games and 10% off new strategy guides.

Does the Power Up Rewards Card give me a bonus on hardware trade-ins?
No. You will only get the bonus for games and accessories.

What if I want cash instead of credit, what do they deduct?
If you decide that you want cash instead of credit, they will take 20% off the base values and promos will not apply.

Does promo "....." have a minimum trade-in value?
If the promo has a minimum trade-in value requirement, it will be listed in the promo. If it isn't there, then there is no limit. However, as with all trades, they are subject to manager approval so the manager could have setup his own little rule-set requiring a minimum of whatever.

I used a Power Trade promo for a pre-order, can I cancel that pre-order and get the credit or move it to another game I want?
Yes on both accounts. However, if you do a bunch of the power trades and just straight drop the pre-order you could create some ill-will between yourself and the employees you cancel on. However, if you look at the wordings on promos, they can remove the bonus trade-in value if they decide to.

I just tried to use a promo that has a select list of games eligible, but they say my game isn't eligible anymore, what gives?
Basically they have the right to change the eligible games at any time. They tend to update these frequently so as to lock out any easy/cheap games. It's best to check the eligible list the day of your trade.

Can I stack two different trade-in promos?
No. The only thing that will stack with trade-ins is your EDGE card. Some will report success, but this requires a manual override and is very YMMV.

If I pay for an item using all credit on my card, do I have to pay sales tax?
This varies depending upon the state you live in.

If I buy a used copy of a game that requires an online pass for multiplayer, will it come with an online pass?
If you purchase a used title published by either Sony or WB you get an online pass from GS on your receipt. That's also why the used copies are $55 instead of $48 when the MSRP is $60.

No GS issued passes of games published by EA, THQ, etc. On those titles you're totally dependent on the previous owner not using the code.

What states charge sales tax on purchases paid in full with credit and which ones don't?
Charge Sales Tax on Credit Purchases: Alabama, Arkansas, California, Connecticut, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, West Virginia
Does Not Charge Sales Tax on Credit Purchases: Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming
No Information Yet:

My state doesn't charge sales tax on purchases made by credit, why is gamestop.com charging me tax?
It is just the way they have designed their system. The best theory we have seen is that since you are only inputting the number off of the back of the card, it isn't going to pick up the programming from the specially tagged EDGE cards. Some kind of programming that gets input from their system that wont show up when only inputting the number off the back of the card.


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[quote name='dominator']Damn, 18 for Halo Reach isn't too shabby.[/QUOTE]
That's what I thought to. Was right at 30 after promos. Tell you what I did, not really flipping but I ordered Reach, L4d 1 and 2 from BBY with their B2G1 s for 44 tax and all. So I'll have my games back plus LFD2 for free so I can play the new DLC plus 8 bucks ahead.
 
just 1 ps3 acr and 2 360 acrs. all different days. they just had it out for me. oh wellz.
my bro is out of town tho, but i looked at bestbuy tiv, and at worse ill trade the 2k12s back and break even. c'est la vie or something like that.
 
:360:Need for Speed Carbon - $5

Also traded in AC:R for $32 total. Got Dead Rising 2: Off the Record for $18 after a coupon.
 
[quote name='SEGAMew']August 3 TIV, all PS3 games:

NCAA Footbasll 2013 - $18 (What happened to the guaranteed $30 trade in?)
Major League Baseball 2K7 - $0.10
FIFA Soccer 2008 - $0.75
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare - $2.50
Call of Duty: Black Ops - $13
Spider-Man 3 - $7 (rose by $4 yay)
NHL 2009 - $0.50

So $66.97 after +50% promotion and PUR. My choice of pre-own game was The World Ends With You :)[/QUOTE]

I bet you got the 50% with a preowned purchase promo on the base instead of the $30 promo they are running since you did it all together. Just a guess.
 
So did I miss something? There is a bonus 50% TIV credit for buying a used game and have the credit go to the used game purchase???? When does this end? I may go tomorrow.
 
Updated lists and database.

[quote name='MSUHitman']JP could you put this in the OP for future versions of the thread:

If you purchase a used title published by either Sony or WB you get an online pass from GS on your receipt. That's also why the used copies are $55 instead of $48 when the MSRP is $60.

No GS issued passes of games published by EA, THQ, etc. On those titles you're totally dependent on the previous owner not using the code.

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I'll get that in there within the next day or so.
 
[quote name='SEGAMew']August 3 TIV, all PS3 games:

NCAA Footbasll 2013 - $18 (What happened to the guaranteed $30 trade in?)
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You (or the GS employee) screwed yourself out of $12. Should have done a separate transaction for that one. Contrary to popular belief, GS's registers do not automatically give the best promo.
 
TIV for the games I traded at GS:

:ps3:

AC Revelations $15
AC Brotherhood $10
Sims 3 Pets $6.50
Mass Effect 2 $6.50
FEAR 2 $2.00
Marvel V. Capcom 3 $5.50
Batman AC $10
Uncharted Drakes Fortune $5.00

I got a total of $90.75 with the 50% trade in bonus
 
congrats on people who waited to trade AC:R. I really really thought the trade value for that would drop, but it held. I missed out on 6 bucks for my two copies i traded 3 days ago lol.
 
FWIW if you can't find the links crossbow training to use with the trading for a game. I got Kinect Adventures for 80 cents
 
[quote name='klimb22']You (or the GS employee) screwed yourself out of $12. Should have done a separate transaction for that one. Contrary to popular belief, GS's registers do not automatically give the best promo.[/QUOTE]

no if he is PUR he got screwed out of a big $1.20
 
[quote name='TPerryoo7']so does anyone know how much Mortal Kombat for the Vita trades for?[/QUOTE]

IIRC from someone's post a few pages back, it's $3 at GS and $6 at BB, down from $13.
 
[quote name='Geco17']IIRC from someone's post a few pages back, it's $3 at GS and $6 at BB, down from $13.[/QUOTE]

Ahh, well tarts not even worth it then ha.

How about Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom Vita, any word on that? CAG is listing at 15 but I'm sure its dropped.
 
I had a very good (no pressure) experience at GameStop yesterday. I went in for the 50% trade-in special and picked up a preowned Mortal Kombat Komplete Edition. The guy said something about they had sold the game without the case but said he would just give me a "new" opened one complete with all the DLC for the preowned price. So great trades and MK for only $17!

Base values 8/3/12 of the ones not already posted recently:

Red Dead Redemption (Xbox 360) $10
Rabbits: Alive and Kicking (Xbox 360) $5
MLB 12: The Show (PS3) $13
 
Here's some TIV as of 8/3 (Base values)

Lucha Libre (360) 4$
LA Noire Vanilla (360) 8$
Left 4 Dead (360) 16$
Jurassic Park (360) 6$
Sims 3 (360) 11$
Ninja Gaiden 3 (360) 11$
Inversion (360) 11$
Just Cause 2 (360) 10$
Dragon Age 2 (360) 3.50$
Mortal Kombat Vanilla (360) 6$
Marvel vs Capcom 3 (360) 7$
Fallout 3 (GOTY 360) 7$
Divinity 2 DKS (360) 6$
Lollipop Chainsaw (360) 14$
Xenoblade Chronicles (Wii) 17.30$
Portal 2 (Ps3) 12$
Yakuza 4 (Ps3) 5.50$
 
unloaded :360: Skyrim today for $21 base

got the 50% promo by picking up a 99 cent copy of kinect adventures

also, i checked to see if the 50% off used sports games was still in the system.. it is not.
 
[quote name='gospelman']unloaded :360: Skyrim today for $21 base

got the 50% promo by picking up a 99 cent copy of kinect adventures

also, i checked to see if the 50% off used sports games was still in the system.. it is not.[/QUOTE]

Haha damn so you got rid of skyrim for about 40 bucks? Damn
 
[quote name='TPerryoo7']Haha damn so you got rid of skyrim for about 40 bucks? Damn[/QUOTE]

$33ish

sounds like you didn't watch The Count as a kid

services
 
How are people getting the 50% trade bonus when they are buying a pre-owned game that costs significantly less then the total credit received? I just called my local gamestop and they told me that I needed to apply all of the credit on the trade toward the pre-owned product purchased in order to get the 50% bonus. It also says that clearly in the description of the promo.

I guess you just need to be lucky to deal with a gamestop employee that doesn't play by the rules. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find one of those in my area :(
 
[quote name='Cygnus11']How are people getting the 50% trade bonus when they are buying a pre-owned game that costs significantly less then the total credit received? I just called my local gamestop and they told me that I needed to apply all of the credit on the trade toward the pre-owned product purchased in order to get the 50% bonus. It also says that clearly in the description of the promo.

I guess you just need to be lucky to deal with a gamestop employee that doesn't play by the rules. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find one of those in my area :([/QUOTE]

The system will apply the 50% bonus when you purchase any pre-owned game. They could tell you otherwise, but it will automatically happen.
 
[quote name='gospelman']$33ish

sounds like you didn't watch The Count as a kid
[/QUOTE]

Welp, he never did deal with percentages so I was screwed from the get go
 
[quote name='Cygnus11']How are people getting the 50% trade bonus when they are buying a pre-owned game that costs significantly less then the total credit received? I just called my local gamestop and they told me that I needed to apply all of the credit on the trade toward the pre-owned product purchased in order to get the 50% bonus. It also says that clearly in the description of the promo.

I guess you just need to be lucky to deal with a gamestop employee that doesn't play by the rules. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find one of those in my area :([/QUOTE]

Almost every Gamestop allows you to purchase a 99cent game and get the rest of the credit on your card. Yours just must be a stickler about adhering to the rules.
 
[quote name='Cygnus11']How are people getting the 50% trade bonus when they are buying a pre-owned game that costs significantly less then the total credit received?[/QUOTE]

Yeah the system lets you do it. If the employee is strict about the deal's terms.. you could always just buy a used game(s) and return within 7 days to get all the credit back.
 
[quote name='gospelman']Yeah the system lets you do it. If the employee is strict about the deal's terms.. you could always just buy a used game(s) and return within 7 days to get all the credit back.[/QUOTE]

That's a great idea. I will do this as a fall-back option if I can't convince them to let me buy something cheap. Thanks.
 
[quote name='Cygnus11']That's a great idea. I will do this as a fall-back option if I can't convince them to let me buy something cheap. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Don't ask them. Just pick up the used game when you walk in and tell them you're buying it when you trade in. The computer automatically adds the promo.
 
Pre-owned product...so accessories should count, right? I was looking for another Dualshock 3, so I'll try to kill two birds with one stone since I have some trade games to get rid of.
 
I managed to pick up :ds: Blue Dragon: Awakened Shadow for $9.99. It was the only copy still marked as new and I was waiting forever for them to put it as pre-owned. Managed to see it today as that so I quickly snatched it up, I'm a happy camper.
 
[quote name='wowzors']How are people getting 50% isn't it only 30% for purchasing a preowned?[/QUOTE]

Promo that lasts until tomorrow. I'm trying to beat mass effect in time to get the 50% added in. Hopefully I don't miss much of the story if I ignore side missions
 
Traded in some games on 08/04

:ps3: Gran Turismo 5 Prologue - $0.75
:ps3: Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition - $6.5
NES Battletoads - $7*
:ps3: Marvel vs. Capcom 3 - $5.50

*Phone quote. Can someone else confirm?
 
[quote name='wowzors']How are people getting 50% isn't it only 30% for purchasing a preowned?[/QUOTE]

It's up to 50% this weekend to end the sale period.
 
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