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mykevermin said:
Ehhhh, some dirt sheet stuff saying they were looking to book up a buncha venues in Dallas in advance to ensure ancillary shows don't run. I mean, to their credit, it's a bit of coattail riding to do that; on the other hand, it's definitely added economic activity to the metro area (and makes citing economics easier in terms of begging for tax credits to run WM in your city).

So, in short, nah, not really. Nothing *credible*, per se.
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That's about what I figured. Thanks. I'm of the opinion of having other companies run shows but I won't get into it right now.

 
This was a decent WM.  i thought the whole Sting vs. HHH shit was cheesy with all the run ins.  That was cool last year when you were celebrating an anniversary, but your current product must be pretty weak when you have to use old wrestlers to get pops.  The ending was horrible too.  I mean they tried to protect Sting with the hammer shit, but still a shitty ending.  HHH probably didn't want to lose two WM matches in a row.  If they were so worried about that just have Sting club the shit out of him with a baseball bat, leave HHH lying in the ring and then let Sting just walk off and get counted out. 

The Rock bit was also just some cheesy shit for a cheap pop that took way too long. 

Undertaker match was okay, but for a guy only doing one match a year he didn't look very good so maybe he needs to retire soon.

Title match was good until the ending.  Seemed so predictable and similar to other endings.  Protect Lesnar by having him roll out and have the pin be on the other guy.  Same thing that happened last year with Daniel Bryan.

Doesn't make sense to me to have Randy Orton beat Rollins earlier but then Rollins sneaks in for a win.  Sets up as weak from the start so I don't anticipate much coming from his title reign.

Cena match was decent, but like the same WM match he's had before multiple times.  I feel like that's Cena's roll now.  Intro big feud for the big bulky bad guys or foreigners or weirdos.   

 
^^^ There is a history of having MITB guys lose just before they cash in and win the title. Nothing new. If nothing else it gives them a built in Rollins vs Orton program, whether it's before or after the inevitable Reigns vs Rollins.


Cheaplikeafox OS X said:
Undertaker match was okay, but for a guy only doing one match a year he didn't look very good so maybe he needs to retire soon.
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The match was nothing special, but Undertaker looked far better than he did last year. I don't even mean the fact that he wasn't concussed, he looked in much better shape.

Entrances being in the daylight wrecked a lot of the presentation.
 
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KaneRobot said:
^^^ There is a history of having MITB guys lose just before they cash in and win the title. Nothing new. If nothing else it gives them a built in Rollins vs Orton program, whether it's before or after the inevitable Reigns vs Rollins.


The match was nothing special, but Undertaker looked far better than he did last year. I don't even mean the fact that he wasn't concussed, he looked in much better shape.

Entrances being in the daylight wrecked a lot of the presentation.
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Yeah it started with Edge losing to Flair on the same night he later cashed in against Cena.
 
About to watch the festivities. Sounds like a good show.

My only qualm is jobbing out Wyatt yet again. Where does the dude go from here? He really needed the rub.
 
You guys take it too seriously if you couldn't have fun with the HHH v Sting match. Yea, it ended up being a cluster, but that was the point. It really doesn't matter who wins, it was about what the match represented. You really think the face of WCW that held himself to a higher standard for 14 years should come rolling in to the WWE and beat the face of that company? What would it accomplish for WWE?

I was glad to see the run ins and that the match wasn't taken too seriously. Sting got his WM moment, he doesn't need the win, fans got to see basically a live recap of the Monday Night Wars of yesteryear. They could have timed the spots a little better but whatever. It was fun and I appreciate they wanted to accomplish that rather than trying to book a serious match between guys who's careers are in the past.

All in all, I thought it was a great effort by everyone involved to put on a good show. This is my second WM now after a long hiatus and thought they hit back to back home runs. I hope they enjoy some better luck after this show and not lose some top talent to significant injury after the fact. Although in hindsight, it did open the door to Lesnar winning the title. He brought more value to the belt than it brought value to him, which is always a good thing.
 
Hell, I thought the run ins saved the Sting/HHH match. Im not a fan of Sting at all, and was pretty bored with it until all the 90's fanservice popped in.

Up until then, and even afterwards, the talk of the match was Stings hair and bald spot.
 
As someone who only occasionally looks in on the world of WWE after the last few years, I'm totally confused on Bryan & Cena being in the IC/USA bracket while Rollins & Reigns are WHC contenders.

 
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That was a pretty boring WrestleMania. The best match was Cena/Rusev and that wasnt even that great. The best part of the entire night was Ronda Rousey.

After spending the entire match burying Sting on commentary you would think they could at least give him the win. I dont know what everyone else was watching, but I was enjoying the Sting/HHH match up until DX came down. How do they explain that just the night before Hall, Nash, XPac, HBK, and HHH are all best buds at the Hall of Fame, and now all of the sudden Hall and Nash hate XPac, HHH, and HBK? They need to stop living in the past. There is no WCW. Move on.

I know I am likely alone on this too, but JBL is sooooo terrible as a commentator. I know a lot of it is just the nonsense being fed to him from the back but he makes Cole sound great in comparison.

Rollins cashing in and winning the title wasnt a surprise to me, but I dont understand it. Like Bezerker said, why have Cena and Bryan as mid card champions if you are going to have actual mid card guys as WWE champion. If Lesnar was still champion it makes sense because he rarely wrestles, so it gives us important title matches while he is away. I assume Rollins will be around every week.

I never thought that Cousin Butch would ever be the highlight of my WrestleMania weekend... but that guy cracked me up at the Hall of Fame.

 
They're trying to restore the prestige of the midcard belts. Better late than never?

WM was better than expected. Terminator entrance was too over the top for me, and this is coming from a huge Ahnold fan.
 
HydroX said:
They're trying to restore the prestige of the midcard belts. Better late than never?

WM was better than expected. Terminator entrance was too over the top for me, and this is coming from a huge Ahnold fan.
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Thank you. For ages now we've bitched and moaned about how the mid-card belts have been meaningless, and now that they're on two guys who could actually elevate them and make them feel important again, people wanna bitch and moan that two main eventers are carrying around dead-weight titles?

 


It really doesn't matter who wins, it was about what the match represented.
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The match represented a petty beef that Vince McMahon has with a dead company, Triple H's boner for entrances from mid 90's WCW, and Sting deciding that he doesn't want to wrestle forever and wants to live off royalties from the company that's still around.

Sting vs. Undertaker would have been a much better choice. Neither guy is full time, Sting gets his WM match, Undertaker gets a WM win, and you get one plodding and formulaic match instead of two.

fans got to see basically a live recap of the Monday Night Wars of yesteryear
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Uh what? :speaktothehand:

When were Sting and the nWo ever on the same side? Their feud is the whole reason for WCW's best PPV buyrate ever and a major reason why WCW was winning in the ratings.

Shawn Michaels was never in DX at the same time as X-Pac and the New Age Outlaws. One iteration happened because the other ended.

Triple H didn't become a main eventer until the Monday Night War had a clear winner and by that point, WCW was experimenting with making Sting a heel. The timelines only make sense if you ascribe to WWE revisionist history.

Purple Flames said:
Thank you. For ages now we've bitched and moaned about how the mid-card belts have been meaningless, and now that they're on two guys who could actually elevate them and make them feel important again, people wanna bitch and moan that two main eventers are carrying around dead-weight titles?
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John Cena won the US Title at WrestleMania 11 years ago. While I don't necessarily mind him in a muted role, it's more of a vanity plate for him at this point.

Daniel Bryan won the World Title in the main event last year. Giving him the IC Title seems like a consolation prize. Considering that the fanbase turned on Reigns because Bryan didn't win the Royal Rumble, I'd say it makes no sense to take the belt off Barrett when Bryan is clearly better off being higher on the card. They ruined the slow momentum they had building for Reigns and stunted the growth of the other guys in the ladder match out of being stubborn.

 
davo1224 said:
Uh what? :speaktothehand:

When were Sting and the nWo ever on the same side?
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You are bringing the sign tonight, right rock? Become a legend and bring it. If you ever wanted to be over for forever, this is the way to do it. Brake is 100% over for life from his cagcast calls. You could be too.
 
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Downside: I don't get to watch Raw live tonight (the post-WM crowd is always one of the most fun of the year)

Upside: I am going to see Los Crudos play. Yusssssssss.

 
I thought it was a great match but I didn't like the Sting/Triple H ending. My initial take was that it just kind of added to Hunter's rep about rarely putting people over but I'm not overly salty about it because a guy like Sting obviously doesn't need to be put over any more than he already is with his legacy cemented. But I guess guys like Hunter do ;)

I thought Brock was going to win so I thought it was good timing for Seth to cash in on the MitB. I thought they played that well.

I didn't watch the whole thing - what was Nattie sporting?

'Bout time they had some big names take the other WWE belts.
 
Other than the Rocks never ending skit, I enjoyed it. Would have been great if Scott Hall hit that outsiders edge but he probably can't do that move anymore.

My brother surprised me and our other brothers with tickets to Raw for tonight. It will be my first time at a WWE show. I've been to one indie wrestling show before. Blue Demon Jr had a steel cage match against some border patrol agent heel character. Good times. And like two weeks later Blue Demon Jr was on the spanish channel version of dancing with the starts.

 
davo1224 said:
John Cena won the US Title at WrestleMania 11 years ago. While I don't necessarily mind him in a muted role, it's more of a vanity plate for him at this point.

Daniel Bryan won the World Title in the main event last year. Giving him the IC Title seems like a consolation prize. Considering that the fanbase turned on Reigns because Bryan didn't win the Royal Rumble, I'd say it makes no sense to take the belt off Barrett when Bryan is clearly better off being higher on the card. They ruined the slow momentum they had building for Reigns and stunted the growth of the other guys in the ladder match out of being stubborn.
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The belts are on these two guys because of that reason. They are vanity plates to the current holders, but whoever beats them for said titles gets a HUGE rub.

D-Bry is now a Grand Slam Champion with the IC title victory.

I originally wanted Barrett to retain, or Ambrose to win, but doing so would not do a god damn thing for the IC title. This is what NEEDS to happen.

 
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another thing though was funny  when   Rusev was coming out the  background said 

Crush  Rusev  like even the background was against him  

really need to watch the reshowing cause i know i see  AJ grab her but, her and was below her waist :)

 
HydroX said:
The belts are on these two guys because of that reason. They are vanity plates to the current holders, but whoever beats them for said titles gets a HUGE rub.

D-Bry is now a Grand Slam Champion with the IC title victory.

I originally wanted Barrett to retain, or Ambrose to win, but doing so would not do a god damn thing for the IC title. This is what NEEDS to happen.
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Yeah, I really think the WWE are starting to go in the right direction now. NXT is stacked so we know that the future is looking extremely bright. The belts are all with the right people right now and as a result they will get elevated and more wrestlers can start to have legit storylines and feuds. Roman Reigns will only get better and I thought he did an excellent job last night, coming out with a police escort was a nice touch as well. The thing that shocked me the most about Mania was Sting losing and Taker beating Bray, which makes me hope we see more of Taker before next years Wrestlemania otherwise Bray's loss is a waste IMO.

 
I could get into bi-monthly, and have 8 weeks of buildup b/w shows. 4 weeks is just too few, IMO.

But I'm thinking narrative, not revenue. Harrumph.

 
I enjoyed WM last night overall, a solid show with some really fun moments. I think Rollins leaving with the belt last night is the best possible outcome for everyone involved. Brock is really no different whether he's the champ or not, he doesn't need the belt to be The Beast. Reigns is probably not ready for that spot yet, BUT if they build him up as the chaser for the next year (like Bryan was last year) then he has a MUCH better chance of winning next year's WM main event and not having the crowd shit all over it. The time is right now for Rollins to be champ, he is set up to have great feuds with almost every top babyface in the company due to his past history (Orton, Reigns, Ambrose, Cena). I am actually excited for Raw tonight, haven't felt like this in along time tbh.
 
What a cheap way to get him off TV. Though I approve of the, I believe it was Cole, F5.

Alright It looked like it last night and tonight it stuck with me, Stardust jacket looks like Mr. Sinister I believe. I'm assuming that is intentional.

Oh man, Cole's wikipedia page keeps getting changed back and forth, this was my favorite:

"On March 30, 2015, Michael Cole died at the hands of the former reigning, defending, undisputed WWE World Heavyweight Champion Brock Lesnar by being F-5ed so hard it caused one of shoes to pop off of his feet." - Cole's Wiki page

 
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JP said:
"On March 30, 2015, Michael Cole died at the hands of the former reigning, defending, undisputed WWE World Heavyweight Champion Brock Lesnar by being F-5ed so hard it caused one of shoes to pop off of his feet." - Cole's Wiki page
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The one I'm seeing is:

On March 30, 2015, Michael Cole was brutally attacked by Brock Lesnar, and F5ed so hard that he spontaneously combusted. Press F to pay Respects
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:rofl:

 
The IWC is loving this entire evening.

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Like Ambrose showing Cena how to properly put the hold on. And will someone send the teamsters, pay some fans $20 or something to get that fuck ing table flipped back over.

 
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The second annual wave. This year they actually put it on the camera correctly.

They did a good job of keeping the crowd from completely shitting on the show, until the final match. The fans went off the rails. Please retire, same old shit, *stadium wide wave*, CM Punk, we are awesome and shitting all over Reigns. That was a bad place to put the match.

 
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Loved the opening Heyman and Steph stuff. You really can't go wrong with Steph being completely smarmy, and thus only playing one character in a segment while Heyman says stuff and Brock alternates being jolly hearing about suplex and angry hearing about a title loss. Dolph-Bryan was fine, but never really got a solid flow to it. It went from first gear to finishing sequences and then A MOHAWKED SHEAMUS CAME DOWN AND KICKED ASS.

HOF vid was fine. Kalisto WON HIS RAW DEBUT! "NEW! DAY SUCKS!" got over big, and Neville's hype vid was fantastic. Bait and switch for the title match leading to a beatdown of all men on Earth by Brock was great. Byron's commentary further killed Stardust-Mizdow and didn't help NEVILLE'S DEBUT with a swank new cape. Neville destroyed Axelmania!

RUSEV...MAYBE NOT AKA Ambrose faced Cena in a good little US Title match that like the IC Title match, didn't really get rolling too far before they just did finishers. Dean lost him on a sunset bomb, and Cena no-sold it anyway before doing an STF, getting locked in a better one and then winning after several AAs. Divas tag was a thing. Cole was diagnosed with "a cervical fracture" a week after Perro Aguayo Jr. died. Rusev destroyed Goldust. Fans did the wave during the main event 6-man tag.

http://jayreviewsthings.blogspot.com/2015/03/wwe-raw-3-30-15-post-wm-31-show.html

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THE WAVE!

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