Secession petitions filed in 20 states

secretion petition filed in my pants!

But seriously, the majority of these states receive more in federal aid than they contribute in FIT. Trim the fat eh? So you don't like welfare queens eh?
 
Anything to break the monopoly that the 2 dominant parties have right now is good....and interesting.
 
[quote name='egofed']Anything to break the monopoly that the 2 dominant parties have right now is good....and interesting.[/QUOTE]
And secession solves that how?:rofl:
 
[quote name='dohdough']Why'd you delete the other thread?[/QUOTE]

I didn't think normal users could delete their own threads...
 
A threat, even a fantastical one like secession, can sometimes open peoples' minds to new possibilities and cause them to seek out more information, doh.
 
[quote name='egofed']A threat, even a fantastical one like secession, can sometimes open peoples' minds to new possibilities and cause them to seek out more information, doh.[/QUOTE]
Uhhh...wut???
 
sigh...english muthafokker. Do you speak it?;-)

Getting people active in shaping their government themselves, as was originally intended, is a good thing. Third parties will hopefully gather new recognition from people researching this secession topic. The more who realize that there are more than 2 flavors (that are actually really similar) of government the better.
 
[quote name='egofed']sigh...english muthafokker. Do you speak it?;-)[/quote]
Far better than you do. I just don't try obfuscate my points by using passive language or loaded terms.

Getting people active in shaping their government themselves, as was originally intended, is a good thing. Third parties will hopefully gather new recognition from people researching this secession topic. The more who realize that there are more than 2 flavors (that are actually really similar) of government the better.
As originally intend, it was land-owning white males that was shaping the government, but you still don't explain who, how, or why secession is a catalyst.
 
You may speak well, but you type like crap. Check your grammar on that last post and I'll check it out when you are done.;-)
 
[quote name='egofed']You may speak well, but you type like crap. Check your grammar on that last post and I'll check it out when you are done.;-)[/QUOTE]
Please hold your breath for that one.
 
The verbage, "we the people", reflects the electorate. Whoever they were and are now doesn't change the intent that they are supposed to govern. Anything that brings attention to the political world and opens up peoples' minds is a catalyst.
 
[quote name='egofed']The verbage, "we the people", reflects the electorate. Whoever they were and are now doesn't change the intent that they are supposed to govern. Anything that brings attention to the political world and opens up peoples' minds is a catalyst.[/QUOTE]
Actually it kinda, sorta, really, does. No one at that time thought you, me, blacks, asians, hispanics, women, etc. would ever be allowed to vote. Hell, at the start you couldn't vote unless you were a wealthy land owner, and you know why that was? Because those rich assholes were afraid we'd vote to take their land away from them! They never thought that anyone but people like them would run this country.

It's sick of the way that people trying to glorify the founders of the country, like they were a bunch of saints or some shit. You see, THEY wanted liberty, THEY felt oppressed by the English government. They never meant that we'd all be equal and all have the same rights to vote and govern, they thought it would be them. Plenty of people had the strange idea that after independence there would be no taxes, and Washington put an end to that idea pretty damn quick, we call that the whiskey rebellion. During the revolution however, no one was very quick to point that out, lets just let the peasants think what they want, we'll deal with them later.

So you see, as Digital Underground once sang, it's just the same old song.
 
[quote name='highoffcoffee496']It's things like this that make me realize just how stupid our country is[/QUOTE]

Yeah man, those stupid fucks in the 18th century, seceding from Great Britain.

19th century New Englanders want to secede from the U.S. because of slavery? Stupid!

fuck, how about those stupid fucks in the Eastern bloc in the early 90s?

Tibet? Stupid!

Kosovo? ...?
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']Yeah man, those stupid fucks in the 18th century, seceding from Great Britain.

19th century New Englanders want to secede from the U.S. because of slavery? Stupid!

fuck, how about those stupid fucks in the Eastern bloc in the early 90s?

Tibet? Stupid!

Kosovo? ...?[/QUOTE]

Even assuming these petitions weren't driven by lunacy, would you seriously equate secession due to slavery with secession because of the differences between Obama (who was fairly elected) and Romney? Seems like a stupid reason.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']Yeah man, those stupid fucks in the 18th century, seceding from Great Britain.

19th century New Englanders want to secede from the U.S. because of slavery? Stupid![/QUOTE]

The fuck?
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']Yeah man, those stupid fucks in the 18th century, seceding from Great Britain.

19th century New Englanders want to secede from the U.S. because of slavery? Stupid!

fuck, how about those stupid fucks in the Eastern bloc in the early 90s?

Tibet? Stupid!

Kosovo? ...?[/QUOTE]

:shock: Ok man you need to chill lol. This is completely different.
 
[quote name='Clak']Actually it kinda, sorta, really, does. No one at that time thought you, me, blacks, asians, hispanics, women, etc. would ever be allowed to vote. Hell, at the start you couldn't vote unless you were a wealthy land owner, and you know why that was? Because those rich assholes were afraid we'd vote to take their land away from them! They never thought that anyone but people like them would run this country.

It's sick of the way that people trying to glorify the founders of the country, like they were a bunch of saints or some shit. You see, THEY wanted liberty, THEY felt oppressed by the English government. They never meant that we'd all be equal and all have the same rights to vote and govern, they thought it would be them. Plenty of people had the strange idea that after independence there would be no taxes, and Washington put an end to that idea pretty damn quick, we call that the whiskey rebellion. During the revolution however, no one was very quick to point that out, lets just let the peasants think what they want, we'll deal with them later.

So you see, as Digital Underground once sang, it's just the same old song.[/QUOTE]

Yeah! Things were sooooo much better in Europe where everybody could vote and had their rights respected all the time. Cause you know, the United States wasn't the first Constitutional Republic in the Western hemisphere or anything. We had a king back then, right?
 
[quote name='Clak']Actually it kinda, sorta, really, does. No one at that time thought you, me, blacks, asians, hispanics, women, etc. would ever be allowed to vote. Hell, at the start you couldn't vote unless you were a wealthy land owner, and you know why that was? Because those rich assholes were afraid we'd vote to take their land away from them! They never thought that anyone but people like them would run this country.

It's sick of the way that people trying to glorify the founders of the country, like they were a bunch of saints or some shit. You see, THEY wanted liberty, THEY felt oppressed by the English government. They never meant that we'd all be equal and all have the same rights to vote and govern, they thought it would be them. Plenty of people had the strange idea that after independence there would be no taxes, and Washington put an end to that idea pretty damn quick, we call that the whiskey rebellion. During the revolution however, no one was very quick to point that out, lets just let the peasants think what they want, we'll deal with them later.

So you see, as Digital Underground once sang, it's just the same old song.[/QUOTE]

It wasn't about defending their property. Rather it was that they were the ones with the most knowledge. While this doesn't guarantee that they are also the most intelligent, it does give you greater odds of making the right decision than when the mis or uninformed weigh in. This owe why our system is based on a republic, not a democracy. The fact it has grown ever more into a democracy is in large part easy to show correlation to weakening of the system as more people lacking the knowledge to vote become involved. The most dangerous part is how easy it is to manipulate the uninformed, particularly through fear. This is also extremely apparent in the campaigning method almost exclusively used by all candidates today that consists of almost exclusively demonizing your opponent.
 
[quote name='fullmetalfan720']Yeah! Things were sooooo much better in Europe where everybody could vote and had their rights respected all the time. Cause you know, the United States wasn't the first Constitutional Republic in the Western hemisphere or anything. We had a king back then, right?[/QUOTE]

Do you have a point to make or do you want to continue posting nothing of substance?
 
[quote name='snives']It wasn't about defending their property. Rather it was that they were the ones with the most knowledge. While this doesn't guarantee that they are also the most intelligent, it does give you greater odds of making the right decision than when the mis or uninformed weigh in. This owe why our system is based on a republic, not a democracy. The fact it has grown ever more into a democracy is in large part easy to show correlation to weakening of the system as more people lacking the knowledge to vote become involved. The most dangerous part is how easy it is to manipulate the uninformed, particularly through fear. This is also extremely apparent in the campaigning method almost exclusively used by all candidates today that consists of almost exclusively demonizing your opponent.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, fuck you poor assholes, we know better than you do. Just trust us, we'll govern for you and you'll thank us later. Now if you'll excuse, I have some slaves to "tend to" or goods to smuggle or other nefarious things to do.
 
[quote name='Clak']Do you have a point to make or do you want to continue posting nothing of substance?[/QUOTE]

My point is that your view of American history is horribly skewed. To begin with, historical context, brah. Oh and by the way, where did liberalism come from again? Where was the first liberal republic?

[quote name='Clak']Yeah, fuck you poor assholes, we know better than you do. Just trust us, we'll govern for you and you'll thank us later. Now if you'll excuse, I have some slaves to "tend to" or goods to smuggle or other nefarious things to do.[/QUOTE]

Maybe if you started getting past your cognitive biases, you might be able to help things today. Maybe.
 
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