Shooting in Conn. School

[quote name='soulvengeance']I find it hilarious that a lot of people are thinking the solution is to force teachers to arm themselves. You know your argument has run out of steam if that's a solution.[/QUOTE]

The stupid part about this is that it's only going to eventually cause another problem.

Where they need to start is to toughen up gun laws and seriously enforce them and close loopholes.Politicians are really full of themselves though, random acts of violence will still occur whether a gun is involved or not, the only thing that is going to change is the outcome.
 
[quote name='skiizim']The stupid part about this is[/QUOTE]

no. the stupid part is *everything* about that argument, not just the one point you made. there's nothing good about it. at all. it's so far beyond fucking ridiculous - and even those who dare argue for arming the teachers know this.
 
The NRA will hold a news conference Friday and you guessed it...they are going after the movies and video games. You know the things that are NOT real, the things that do NOT actually kill people, the things that have RATINGS on them.

"If we're going to have a conversation, then let's have a comprehensive conversation," said one industry source. "If we're going to talk about the Second Amendment, then let's also talk about the First Amendment, and Hollywood, and the video games that teach young kids how to shoot heads.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/18/nra-to-push-back-soon-sources-say/#ixzz2FRfbkQOy
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Yes I can easily shoot anyone with a handgun after my hours of COD. I am a crack shot and know how to reload and fire any weapon. It's called parenting and to scapegoat the 1st Amendment to protect the 2nd Amendment is cowardly.

I would like them to explain this then:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/12/video-games-gun-violence-chart/60079/
 
Huh, now I'm curious how common security personnel are in Canadian high schools. Mine didn't have any but I'm from a small town in a very rural province. The police station was literally a five minute walk away. I don't think any of the high schools in the city I live in now have any, but maybe in Toronto or Vancouver or Edmonton or something...
 
[quote name='h3llbring3r']:lol: semi-automatic revolver? :lol: Those are super rare. Ryder and Dohdough are schooling us in gunz.[/QUOTE]
:roll:

Not every knows the difference between the terms and I had to dumb it down. It's not like you're providing any easy to understand definitions, so I don't know why the fuck you're acting so fucking smug about it. Do you see any of the libs here freaking out over the differences between homophobia, heterosexism, or cisgendered? GTFO

Btw, I know the differences between different types firing and cycling systems.
 
[quote name='cancerman1120']The NRA will hold a news conference Friday and you guessed it...they are going after the movies and video games. You know the things that are NOT real, the things that do NOT actually kill people, the things that have RATINGS on them.



Yes I can easily shoot anyone with a handgun after my hours of COD. I am a crack shot and know how to reload and fire any weapon. It's called parenting and to scapegoat the 1st Amendment to protect the 2nd Amendment is cowardly.

I would like them to explain this then:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/12/video-games-gun-violence-chart/60079/[/QUOTE]


Oh okay. So explain to me how you think it is a joke that the NRA will go after video games and movies YET your "team" constantly likes to compare the U.S. to Australia in regards to shootings.... when Australia has some of the most strict bans on violent movies and games.

So what is it?

We want to be like Australia in theory only?
 
[quote name='GBAstar']Oh okay. So explain to me how you think it is a joke that the NRA will go after video games and movies YET your "team" constantly likes to compare the U.S. to Australia in regards to shootings.... when Australia has some of the most strict bans on violent movies and games.

So what is it?

We want to be like Australia in theory only?[/QUOTE]

Only if you can show an actual link between violent video games and violent shootings. Hint: They do no exist.
 
[quote name='cancerman1120']I would like them to explain this then:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/12/video-games-gun-violence-chart/60079/[/QUOTE]

I'm perfectly happy to curtail the NRA's crazed interpretation of the 2nd, but that chart uses misleading metrics. "Video game spending" = "spending on violent games."

While I believe there's little research that shows a link b/w games and violence, there's still a lot of research yet to be done (i.e., there's not much research, and there's a lot of junk science in there). One hurdle is differentiating in games qualitatively - where this chart is poor is that it flattens out any video game spending. China is higher than the US, for example, but Call of Duty is popular in the US and not in China. It's not big in Japan. Cultural tastes being what they are, that spending needs to be disaggregated so that "dirty panty high school pervertfest XII queen of idols" money isn't lumped in with "get shot fifteen times by a ten year old who calls you the n-word online that you paid $50 in DLC for."

Video game spending, in short, doesn't equal video game spending. That chart's pretty crummy.
 
[quote name='h3llbring3r'].223/5.56 is on the smallest end of the center fire rifle caliber spectrum.

It's actually known for opposite of limbing people, instead notorious for punching clean holes, even when the bullets torque and tumble. So much so that for decades people speculated that the round was actually designed to wound and not kill, which has never been substantiated.[/QUOTE]

Well thanks for actually explaining
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm perfectly happy to curtail the NRA's crazed interpretation of the 2nd, but that chart uses misleading metrics. "Video game spending" = "spending on violent games."

While I believe there's little research that shows a link b/w games and violence, there's still a lot of research yet to be done (i.e., there's not much research, and there's a lot of junk science in there). One hurdle is differentiating in games qualitatively - where this chart is poor is that it flattens out any video game spending. China is higher than the US, for example, but Call of Duty is popular in the US and not in China. It's not big in Japan. Cultural tastes being what they are, that spending needs to be disaggregated so that "dirty panty high school pervertfest XII queen of idols" money isn't lumped in with "get shot fifteen times by a ten year old who calls you the n-word online that you paid $50 in DLC for."

Video game spending, in short, doesn't equal video game spending. That chart's pretty crummy.[/QUOTE]

Well if it matters the person who did the report never says it is violent video games but only video consumption in general. You are right though that this is a look at ALL video game spending. While not all games are like COD or Far Cry 3, the vast majority of games are "violent" in some manner. Even LEGO games have you shooting, hitting, or otherwise destroying things. Same can be said for Looney Tunes cartoons or the X-men. Is it the graphic nature of the game or the aggressive tendencies it promotes?
 
[quote name='GUNNM']Instead of banning guns just ban crazy people.[/QUOTE]

You mean the entire right-wing? Sounds good to me.
 
[quote name='cancerman1120']Well if it matters the person who did the report never says it is violent video games but only video consumption in general. You are right though that this is a look at ALL video game spending. While not all games are like COD or Far Cry 3, the vast majority of games are "violent" in some manner. Even LEGO games have you shooting, hitting, or otherwise destroying things. Same can be said for Looney Tunes cartoons or the X-men. Is it the graphic nature of the game or the aggressive tendencies it promotes?[/QUOTE]

Well that's where the research isn't clear - it's a methodological hiccup, mostly due to the challenge of categorizing what are "violent" and "nonviolent" games. The former category is easy, the latter category not so much (for the reasons you note).

but that's getting quite far off topic.
 
[quote name='cancerman1120']Well if it matters the person who did the report never says it is violent video games but only video consumption in general. You are right though that this is a look at ALL video game spending. While not all games are like COD or Far Cry 3, the vast majority of games are "violent" in some manner. Even LEGO games have you shooting, hitting, or otherwise destroying things. Same can be said for Looney Tunes cartoons or the X-men. Is it the graphic nature of the game or the aggressive tendencies it promotes?[/QUOTE]
They said the same thing about comics, rock n roll, and rap, but I think that there's something to it and not even remotely benign due to the nature of how we interact with the medium.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Cultural tastes being what they are, that spending needs to be disaggregated so that "dirty panty high school pervertfest XII queen of idols" money isn't lumped in with "get shot fifteen times by a ten year old who calls you the n-word online that you paid $50 in DLC for."[/QUOTE]

To be fair, "dirty panty high school pervertfest XII queen of idols" was less linear than the sequel.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Well that's where the research isn't clear - it's a methodological hiccup, mostly due to the challenge of categorizing what are "violent" and "nonviolent" games. The former category is easy, the latter category not so much (for the reasons you note).

but that's getting quite far off topic.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='dohdough']They said the same thing about comics, rock n roll, and rap, but I think that there's something to it and not even remotely benign due to the nature of how we interact with the medium.[/QUOTE]


Yeah if I came off as saying "no effect" that was not my intention. I definitely think there is an influence but on the whole I just don't see these things "making" monsters. To some, media (especially interactive media) will help reinforce fantasies that eventually get played out but I am not sold on their ability to create those fantasies.
 
[quote name='dohdough']

Not every knows the difference between the terms and I had to dumb it down.[/QUOTE]
Yes, you do a lot of that- dumbing things down that is. Brilliant deflection.

[quote name='dohdough']It's not like you're providing any easy to understand definitions, so I don't know why the fuck you're acting so fucking smug about it.[/QUOTE]
Patently obvious, unless you know nothing about which you speak. Smug? You opened your mouth and proved your expertise.

[quote name='dohdough']
Do you see any of the libs here freaking out over the differences between homophobia, heterosexism, or cisgendered? [/QUOTE]
WOW. Are you serious? I really can't tell. Lets do quick search and find every time pants have been shat over in VS from the overly broad use of socialism alone . . . or any another -ism for that matter. I'm glad to see your tying things back to your wheelhouse when cornered. You're good at that . . . yet another brilliant deflection. SMH.


[quote name='dohdough']
Btw, I know the differences between different types firing and cycling systems.[/QUOTE]
The preponderance of the evidence indicates the opposite.

[quote name='dohdough']
GTFO
[/QUOTE]:applause:
And there it is, the F-bomb laden GTFO post. The perfect coup de grâce to complement Godwins law and charges of racism.

Can we go back to just the ad hominem attacks and implications hurled my way? They're more fun and lack the unjustifiable pretentiousness of your embarrassingly bad wonkish waxings vis–à–vis the most fundamental concepts in firearms.

See if you can work fetish, racist or chain of custody into your response, It's my turn to drink.
 
[quote name='dohdough']So in other words, you're just here to troll. Gotcha.
[/QUOTE]
Given the caliber and content of your posts lately, I think you take that title.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/18/nra-to-push-back-soon-sources-say/
"If we're going to have a conversation, then let's have a comprehensive conversation," said one industry source. "If we're going to talk about the Second Amendment, then let's also talk about the First Amendment, and Hollywood, and the video games that teach young kids how to shoot heads.



NRA future slogan, "Guns don't kill people, people trained to shoot others in the head by video games kill people."?
 
[quote name='h3llbring3r']Another ad hominem- but a weak one. Heavy is the head that wears the troll king's crown? SMH.[/QUOTE]

He LOVES that "troll" cop-out. Why construct a legitimate counter argument when you can just call someone a troll and be done with it? Lazy, lazy, lazy.
 
[quote name='dohdough']So in other words, you're just here to troll. Gotcha.

Racism. Fetish. Chain of Custody. Now get the fuck out.[/QUOTE]

You forgot "history."
 
[quote name='Blaster man']http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/18/nra-to-push-back-soon-sources-say/
"If we're going to have a conversation, then let's have a comprehensive conversation," said one industry source. "If we're going to talk about the Second Amendment, then let's also talk about the First Amendment, and Hollywood, and the video games that teach young kids how to shoot heads.



NRA future slogan, "Guns don't kill people, people trained to shoot others in the head by video games kill people."?[/QUOTE]

Can you please point to a country that has less gun violence but is as liberal as the United States in what it permits in regards to mainstream media (i.e. video games, music, movies)?
 
New Zealand has a pretty liberal ratings board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Film_and_Literature_Classification_(New_Zealand)

Texas Chainsaw Massacre is a Restricted 16
Saving Private Ryan is a Restricted 15

A game like Borderlands 2 is rated R16.
http://www.fvlb.org.nz/nz/pages/publication-details.html?title=156682

Canada pretty much gets exactly what we get and the UK and a lot of Europe shows stuff on TV even more sexual and violent than the US. Video games are treated a bit more harshly in Australia and Germany but the UK, France and other European countries get the same games as we do. Some are rated Pegi 16 that are M rated here.
 
[quote name='h3llbring3r']Another ad hominem- but a weak one. Heavy is the head that wears the troll king's crown? SMH.[/QUOTE]
So when you do it as a response, its called a legitimate argument and when I respond to that "argument" in the same spirit, you call it an ad hom while continuing to avoid making any substantive posts that define the terms in question and just insult people instead. I think that fits the definition of "troll." But hey, if you want to go on with "I know you are, but what am I," don't let me hold you back.

[quote name='Temporaryscars']He LOVES that "troll" cop-out. Why construct a legitimate counter argument when you can just call someone a troll and be done with it? Lazy, lazy, lazy.[/QUOTE]
I didn't realize that telling someone that they don't know shit all about what they're saying without providing an explanation as to why, counted as a "legitimate counter argument." But now that you're part of your own circle jerk, how are you planning on breaking it up?
:roll:
 
[quote name='cancerman1120']New Zealand has a pretty liberal ratings board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Film_and_Literature_Classification_(New_Zealand)

Texas Chainsaw Massacre is a Restricted 16
Saving Private Ryan is a Restricted 15

A game like Borderlands 2 is rated R16.
http://www.fvlb.org.nz/nz/pages/publication-details.html?title=156682

Canada pretty much gets exactly what we get and the UK and a lot of Europe shows stuff on TV even more sexual and violent than the US. Video games are treated a bit more harshly in Australia and Germany but the UK, France and other European countries get the same games as we do. Some are rated Pegi 16 that are M rated here.[/QUOTE]

I'll agree that the U.S. is much more restrictive when it comes to nudity (go figure). However as a country we embrace violence as a form of entertainment much more then any other modern country; it's in our movies, on our television and it is certainly in our POPULAR music.

And Canada can be pretty strict; it has at one point banned Eminem, The Game, and Russell Brand from entering the country/performing.

That and I would say the youth in this country are exposed to and embrace violence in their music more so then any other country in the world (2 Chainz, TI,).

Hell this was from a 2 Chainz song I just heard on the radio:

Yeah I did it, true to my religion
Two guns on me, both with extensions

No one listens to one song, watches one movie or plays a video game and goes and kills someone over it. But years of being desensitized could certainly be a contributing factor.

What music is popular in Canada? The U.K.?

Leona Lewis? Mumford and Sons?
 
[quote name='GBAstar']
What music is popular in Canada?

Leona Lewis? Mumford and Sons? [/QUOTE]
The exact same music that is popular in the US.

Jesus fuck, man.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']The exact same music that is popular in the US.

Jesus fuck, man.[/QUOTE]

Really? The same artists are as popular with youth (children under 18) and they are played just as openly on the radio, as in the United States?

You really don't travel much....
 
Well, we don't really listen to radio much, but other than that, yes. And we watch the same movies and the same television programs (with the main exceptions being some comedies and news programs sometimes).

When was the last time you were in Canada?

EDIT: I should clarify, there are radio restrictions forcing a certain amount of Canadian music. People debate its efficacy as far as promoting Canadian music, but it's a pretty minor thing for pop-culture in Canada, and for youth in particular, that I would not mention it except out of some silly notion that I guess I should be thorough about this shit.
 
I fully agree though that the US acceptance of violence is higher than most countries but as far as access to violent material I think we are on par with a lot of the world. I am not sure exactly why we treat that violence differently though. Maybe it has to do with how we became a country. The need for a violent revolt is so ingrained in who we are as a Nation seems to allow for violence to be almost a necessary need to resolve conflict. Maybe not though since we are not the only country born out of violence but we are relatively young still. If we were a little less Puritan in our views on sex and nudity it would go a long way to chilling a lot of the country out. :)
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Well, we don't really listen to radio much, but other than that, yes. And we watch the same movies and the same television programs (with the main exceptions being some comedies and news programs sometimes).

When was the last time you were in Canada?

EDIT: I should clarify, there are radio restrictions forcing a certain amount of Canadian music. People debate its efficacy as far as promoting Canadian music, but it's a pretty minor thing for pop-culture in Canada, and for youth in particular, that I would not mention it except out of some silly notion that I guess I should be thorough about this shit.[/QUOTE]

I haven't been to Canada for 4 years. I traveled to Toronto a few times for business when I interned for Carrier of United Technologies and while in college I flew across country to British Columbia (outside of Surrey) as that is where an ex-girlfriend lived.

In high school we used to cross the border through Jackman, ME and buy beer in Quebec on a monthly basis.

I'm not saying that the same music isn't popular (billboard charts can be almost identical) but I think what is embraced, advertised and considered acceptable, especially with younger children and adults is different.

But again what do I know.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Well, we don't really listen to radio much, but other than that, yes. And we watch the same movies and the same television programs (with the main exceptions being some comedies and news programs sometimes).

When was the last time you were in Canada?

EDIT: I should clarify, there are radio restrictions forcing a certain amount of Canadian music. People debate its efficacy as far as promoting Canadian music, but it's a pretty minor thing for pop-culture in Canada, and for youth in particular, that I would not mention it except out of some silly notion that I guess I should be thorough about this shit.[/QUOTE]

So every other song is a Justin Bieber song? Damn....

To expand on the the violence that our youth have grown to see, I think a big part of is the demographics and social behavior express in these areas. This goes far and beyond into just being desensitized, humanity has been doing it for centuries, look at the bible and it's still happening.
 
Motherfuckers...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbBlnFtb8W4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6QkXWfoxtA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hibaQdkldXk

I guess it's kind of funny that, despite what I said above, I listen almost entirely to Canadian-made music. But then, I also spend a disproportionate amount of time sitting by a fire drinking maple-syrup-and-whisky discussing trapping beaver.

Man, thank God I'm such a shitty skater and have a terrible command of the French language.

Anyway, guns and schools and mental health.
 
So I was again listening to National Communist Radio, and a caller brought up a good point. you often hear about how more guns could actually improve these situations, that it would make people think twice about doing something like this. To that the guy posited a question, what about the fort hood shooting? I'm sure they've got plenty of guns there, it didn't stop Hasan.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Motherfuckers...

I guess it's kind of funny that, despite what I said above, I listen almost entirely to Canadian-made music. But then, I also spend a disproportionate amount of time sitting by a fire drinking maple-syrup-and-whisky discussing trapping beaver.

Man, thank God I'm such a shitty skater and have a terrible command of the French language.

Anyway, guns and schools and mental health.[/QUOTE]
...why the fuck have I never thought of that? Two of my favorite things, made one.:drool:
 
[quote name='Clak']So I was again listening to National Communist Radio, and a caller brought up a good point. you often hear about how more guns could actually improve these situations, that it would make people think twice about doing something like this. To that the guy posited a question, what about the fort hood shooting? I'm sure they've got plenty of guns there, it didn't stop Hasan.[/QUOTE]

Good point.

Guy attacks a US Military base and does quite a bit of damage, in spite of all the superior firepower and technology that the US Military has.

Kinda blows the entire argument about how the little people wouldn't stand a chance against the federal government out of the water.

Thanks for bringing that up, Clak.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Good point.

Guy attacks a US Military base and does quite a bit of damage, in spite of all the superior firepower and technology that the US Military has.

Kinda blows the entire argument about how the little people wouldn't stand a chance against the federal government out of the water.

Thanks for bringing that up, Clak.[/QUOTE]

I somehow dont see them pulling out the tanks, rocket launchers, grenades, flamethrowers, etc to take out one man. If the government decided to take over, I somehow doubt that they would hold back anything against revolting civilians.

Not to mention that I dont see all of our soldiers just rolling over for the government if that time comes.
 
[quote name='GBAstar']Can you please point to a country that has less gun violence but is as liberal as the United States in what it permits in regards to mainstream media (i.e. video games, music, movies)?[/QUOTE]

What are you trying to say? You agree that gamers shoot people in the head and non gamers don't? If this isn't what you are implying please explain. Why do you want me to point this out? I don't know enough countries, why don't you do it?
 
Clak is, of course, ignoring the point that everyone shot in that case was unarmed. Not everyone on a military base is armed, but don't let facts get in the way of liberal talking points based on pre-conceived notions.
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/12/19/obama-biden-newtown-school-shooting/1779145/

Obama has appointed Biden to oversee and effort to develop a gun violence prevention platform. Says it will be focused on "...not only potential new gun laws, but mental health issues and "a culture that -- all too often -- glorifies guns and violence."

In terms of timeline, "...the vice president will consult with Cabinet members and outside groups before delivering 'a set of concrete proposals no later than January,'..."
 
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