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This thread will attempt to provide a place to discuss past/present/future PC gaming deals. While mainly focusing on Steam games, any standout sales may also be presented. I will not be updating every Daily/Weekly/etc. sale. The tools to help individuals become a smarter shopper will be provided below.

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Tibor said:
How is exclusivity on Epic only a good thing? Many times I've not been happy when a game has been exclusive to Steam. Sell it on all of them and I have no problem. In many cases I'll buy it where it is cheapest.

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At least when a game's on Steam, Steam keys can likely be bought everywhere. Numerous 3rd party sellers can sell these, so there's competition on that part. Those guys like Gamersgate, GamesPlanet, Amazon Digital, GreenManGaming, Fanatical, etc - they can all compete against each other for the best price.

I haven't seen any Epic Game Store exclusives have their keys sold anywhere else but directly via Epic. I don't see Epic Exclusives allowing their keys to be sold on Amazon, Gamersgate, Gamesplanet, Amazon Digital, GMG, Fanatical, etc etc - letting those guys fight it out for the best price.

What Epic's doing, is basically what Microsoft's doing w/ W10 Store - a lot of those W10 Store Exclusives can't be bought on any other store. I can't buy Gears of War 1: Ultimate Edition on anywhere but the W10 Store - meaning, if they want, this can be sold at a Premium and without much discounts, if they decide to do so.

 
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I have not even been bothering with the freebies on Epic.  

I thought about burning card money before they pulled the new Metro but I still have the other games backlogged and have such a huge number of legitimately good games to play that it is highly unlikely that anything else that is exclusive on their platform is going to frustrate me that much.  If it is something that I simply have to play, I can probably play it on PS4.    I still hate Epic for the nonsense around Gears of War when they put out a shit port which nobody wanted because it was total shit and nobody was playing it and then blamed it on piracy and refused to support PC anymore.  

 
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weretable said:
I have not even been bothering with the freebies on Epic.
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Everyone is trying to be the new Netflix or Steam. I think competition is a good thing, if only for the fact that it forces the entrenched monopoly to (usually) make changes in order to stay competitive. Whether the competitors last long is a moot point; as long as it encourages change (hopefully positive ones). 

And to be fair, "exclusives" is the way the gaming industry has worked since time immemorial. Want to play a mario/pokemon game? Get a nintendo console. Want to play Halo? Xbox. In fact, I'd argue that the main reason playstation is kicking xbox's ass this generation is due to all the cool exclusives on the playstation platform.It's clearly an effective way of luring consumers onto your platform, so why wouldn't Epic do it? They'd be stupid not to. 

 
Competition is good... if it is, in fact, competition.

Claiming that you're introducing competition while buying exclusivity agreements, charging higher prices, and offering fewer features is not competition.


 


 
Competition is ok as long as the competitor is halfway competent. Epic.. isn't. The client is a half assed piece of shit that no one wants to use. Steam has tons of features that I use daily, I'm not going to switch over to one of the worst clients available to play an exclusive game when we have Steam, Origin, and Uplay available to us.

 
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Video games, movies, music, books--it's almost like every single company is coming out with their own shit-tastic DRM clients to make money by renting bandwidth to us.

Good thing the physical realm isn't that bad yet. I'd rather not pay Nestle a streaming fee to drink my own recycled urine as "purified water."

 
Epic can't be considered "competition" with exclusive agreements unless they're going to offer the same free retail key generation that Valve offers.  If a game is available at a dozen digital online stores and the only difference is where you're downloading it from (Steam or Epic) then that's one thing.  If it's available purely from the download platform, that's another.

Metro: Exodus has been pulled from the 3rd party retailers who were selling it and is only sold via Epic now.  Hard to argue that we're breaking monopolies.

 
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Competition is ok as long as the competitor is halfway competent. Epic.. isn't. The client is a half assed piece of shit that no one wants to use. Steam has tons of features that I use daily, I'm not going to switch over to one of the worst clients available to play an exclusive game when we have Steam, Origin, and Uplay available to us.
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ya but i'll take the free games tho

 
MysterD said:
Metro LL is excellent.

Same goes for Metro 2033, if you ain't played that.

I actually have also Metro LL Redux namely for the DLC's....and I ain't even got to those DLC's.
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inm8num2 said:
Yeah, I played both Metro games (redux versions) a little over two years ago and thought they were fantastic. The gameplay is very well balanced between action & stealth, and the story is interesting enough to keep things moving forward.

I've not played many AAA games of the last decade, but I feel pretty confident in saying that the Metro titles are must-plays.
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I agree. Finished Metro 2033 on ranger hardcore difficulty with Russian as language and had a blast with it. However, I still couldn't find enough time to even think about installing M:LL.

Epic Store is shit and I think time exlusive deals will kill early sale numbers of those games, e.g. as it was with CDPR's Thronebreaker. For me, it's fine, if the game will be available on Steam in next 3-4 years.

I'll wait. Pretty much, as always. -75% or bust. CAG lifestyle.

 
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I'll wait for it to get bundled. Maybe by then I'll have a PC to match its recommended specs. 

The other games didn't hold my attention, so much that when I got to a particularly glitchy section (in a part with some metro cars scattered on a bridge, I looked it up and apparently it's a common glitch ... also btw never seen any location in Moscow that looked anything like that section of the game ... kind of jarring/non-immersive) I just stopped playing. 

 
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weretable said:
I have not even been bothering with the freebies on Epic. ... I still hate Epic for the nonsense around Gears of War when they put out a shit port which nobody wanted because it was total shit and nobody was playing it and then blamed it on piracy and refused to support PC anymore.
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lol, definitely got the timeline on that backwards. They had already moved onto Sweeney's vision of "Epic 3.0" before they even produced Gears of War. Gears of War was the flagship project of the Epic 3.0 console push. They had watched sales of narrative, single-player titles on PC under-perform for years. That's why they didn't bother making a good port of Gears, not the other way around.

Since then Sweeney's moved them on to another model: games as a service, to escape being beholden to publishers, and yet another model now as a publisher and client manager themselves. Both of the first two moves have been incredibly successful for them, each one has been marked by a massively popular title (Gears of War and Fortnite, respectively). We'll see how they do with the publisher and games client push. I wish them godspeed.

If you want to see what's happened to other developers who chose other paths, just look at a list of Activision or EA's acquisitions.

 
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Tibor said:
How is exclusivity on Epic only a good thing? Many times I've not been happy when a game has been exclusive to Steam. Sell it on all of them and I have no problem. In many cases I'll buy it where it is cheapest.

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Wow a long list of different re-sellers selling ... STEAM keys.

 
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elessar123 said:
Everyone did. But Counter Strike etc. were so popular, everyone sucked it up. I went years after activating Orange Box before I used it for anything else.
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I actually lost the account I activated for the Orange Box... so to this day.. the Orange Box doesn't grace my library. I refused to buy it again :) There was a HUGE lapse between that and me using Steam for actual gaming.

 
Blade said:
Video games, movies, music, books--it's almost like every single company is coming out with their own shit-tastic DRM clients to make money by renting bandwidth to us.

Good thing the physical realm isn't that bad yet. I'd rather not pay Nestle a streaming fee to drink my own recycled urine as "purified water."
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That sounds suspiciously like a pun. Go sit in the corner and face the wall.

What's the difference between recycled urine and alkaline-ionized water or electrolyzed water? Nothing. They're all water.

weretable said:
I have not even been bothering with the freebies on Epic.
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Same here. I realized I can barely be arsed to load DRM-free stuff from Galaxy or Ubi stuff on Uplay or EA stuff on Origin. Why add another layer of confusion? It's one of those rare instances where free just isn't cheap enough to justify the purchase.

 
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Neuro5i5 said:
I remember when Steam first came out. It was awesome.

So awesome, I avoided it.
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Steam was horrible when it first came out. Felt like it was just there for DRM.

Look what it has turned into now, though: the most feature-rich PC digital service out there by a mile...and then some.

 
I probably do have some timeline stuff entirely wrong, it has been a while.  Does not change that they blamed moving away from PC on piracy and didn't really acknowledge how shitty some of their recent PC output had been.  Later they somewhat admitted to Bulletstorm being janky on PC but that game was them with People Can Fly and not sure that was an admission of Epic's mistakes or just shifting blame to PCF.  And while other developers were going multi-platform and saying it was because of piracy making a  policy of creating PC-exclusive games untenable, Epic just abandoned PC. 

At any rate the Epic client is the worst one since GFWL was a thing and I want no part of it, even without me already disliking Epic as a company. 

 
weretable said:
I probably do have some timeline stuff entirely wrong, it has been a while. Does not change that they blamed moving away from PC on piracy and didn't really acknowledge how shitty some of their recent PC output had been. Later they somewhat admitted to Bulletstorm being janky on PC but that game was them with People Can Fly and not sure that was an admission of Epic's mistakes or just shifting blame to PCF. And while other developers were going multi-platform and saying it was because of piracy making a policy of creating PC-exclusive games untenable, Epic just abandoned PC.

At any rate the Epic client is the worst one since GFWL was a thing and I want no part of it, even without me already disliking Epic as a company.
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W10 Store's Games might be worse than G4WL in some ways, TBH. Both are pretty bad though.

At least w/ G4WL games, they're still easy to back-up, mod, manipulate the folder/files, etc.

Not so much w/ W10 Store's Game.

I'm really not sure where they're located as the files are all named weirdly somewhere (best to poke around on forums to find out their names and where they are); you don't really have access to these folders b/c they're mostly "protected"; and you have to try to "own the folder" to be able to manipulate the files (move them, copy them, back them up, mod them, etc). Though, it actually might just be easier to just re-download the game entirely to another PC (instead of moving it/copying it) - especially if you have fast Internet w/ your ISP.

At least w/ Epic Game Store's games, I can still mod and manipulate folders/files easily.

Though, Epic Games is probably right behind the two M$ services as one of the worst.

I'm not fond of the Epic Store and it's one of the worst - but I don't think it's the worst service ever created. G4WL and W10 take the cake for the worst PC gaming services of all time.

 
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I'm not fond of the Epic Store and it's one of the worst - but I don't think it's the worst service ever created. G4WL and W10 take the cake for the worst PC gaming services of all time.
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I haven't had any issues with Windows 10 store thus far other than it being a mess if you are trying to browse. I'd probably hate it if I had to use it for more than a few games though. I had a lot of issues with GFWL games so it still gets "worst ever" for me. I really liked Age of Empires online and I spent like a week straight trying to get it to work before I was ever able to play with my friends. Still a bit salty that game was shut down.

 
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I haven't had any issues with Windows 10 store thus far other than it being a mess if you are trying to browse. I'd probably hate it if I had to use it for more than a few games though. I had a lot of issues with GFWL games so it still gets "worst ever" for me. I really liked Age of Empires online and I spent like a week straight trying to get it to work before I was ever able to play with my friends. Still a bit salty that game was shut down.
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AoE Online was pretty darn fun actually, ridiculous that the servers shut down and everything related to it is now gone. Hopefully AoE4 will be at least as good as AoE Online was.
 
I dunno, I'd still consider Epic Game store as a "disruptive competitor" in the same way MoviePass was. Both started off with massive acclaim - I remember when EGS launched, people lauded it for it's larger share of the cut for developers, and possibly a steam competitor... but like MoviePass, they found that business model unsustainable and started implementing one anti-consumer policy after another. And while they did eventually run themselves into the ground, it did shake up the market. Movie theatres and other third party companies started offering their own "watch x movies per week" programs, obviously not in the same retarded cash-burning way MoviePass did it. MoviePass is the modern day Icarus - got too close to the sun, then crashed and burned. But I digress.

I feel like EGS is the same. Honestly, it's not a "real" competitor to steam and will run itself into the ground sooner or later. But recently there has been a slow trend towards "exclusives" on the PC, like with Destiny 2 exclusive to Battlenet. I think this Metro Exodus on EGS is the "tipping point" that shows that exclusives on PC are a thing, and are here to stay. And why the fuck not? Again, exclusives sell. The Nintendo Switch had a tiny library at launch and then went on to become the fastest selling console during the holiday season precisely because it's exclusives were so good and enticing. Obviously Metro is probably not that game that will get people to switch, or even get them to start, using EGS but the unmistakable fact is, we're going to start seeing a lot more client/storefront exclusives on PC. 

I mean, maybe my take on the situation is completely wrong, but there's more than one way to react to something than "ermagerd DAE EPIC BAD! EA BAD!! BLIZZ BAD!!!!"

 
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RE2 was good. X certainly gave it to me.

https://twitter.com/mahadopower/status/1089547492742426624

 
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zenii said:
I mean, maybe my take on the situation is completely wrong, but there's more than one way to react to something than "ermagerd DAE EPIC BAD! EA BAD!! BLIZZ BAD!!!!"
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True, yet almost all of these store fronts/launchers have had rocky launches, some still not improving much. Blizzard's launcher was the least annoying if I remember right. The main problem they had was using bit torrent for patch distro and refusing to let customers control the bandwidth thus slowing everyone's download speeds to a trickle. I remember having to help my WoW guild members learn how to use a real BT client to download a 750mb patch in 5 minutes instead of 5 fucking hours. One time I uploaded the patch to my own website so people could download a small patch in 1-2 minutes instead of an hour.

If Epic wants to impress they could at least be as good as Origin or Uplay are right now. Instead its a bunch of BS "moar competitions!" marketing hype trying to disguise exclusive deals that make no sense for customers in the long run with a new half assed store/launcher client. When devs/publishers are trying to spin it as good for everyone and refusing to openly admit, "yeah we got paid" when everyone knows it is the only thing that makes sense, it grinds the gears and leads to "eeevil BAD game companies!".

The Nintendo Switch had a tiny library at launch and then went on to become the fastest selling console during the holiday season precisely because it's exclusives were so good and enticing.
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I'm sure releasing a new Zelda game that ran better on the new hardware, after having an underselling Wii U didn't help sell Switches at all. The crappy multiplayer setup and store sure didn't help. They also forced all mario kart players to buy a new system if you wanted what was basically a DLC to the Wii U version.

Nintendo just got lucky that people were apparently in the mood for a mobile system with decent graphics aka not a cell phone. They lost out on the Wii U when they went with the silly tablet controller design (and little marketing).

 
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zenii said:
I dunno, I'd still consider Epic Game store as a "disruptive competitor" in the same way MoviePass was. Both started off with massive acclaim - I remember when EGS launched, people lauded it for it's larger share of the cut for developers, and possibly a steam competitor... but like MoviePass, they found that business model unsustainable and started implementing one anti-consumer policy after another.
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Hey, don't give them ideas!

"Dear Epic user, this week you are allowed to play three different games from your library for a total of 2 hours each. Additionally, you may only access games in your library during the following periods each day:

Monday: 12pm - 3pm, 7pm - 10pm

Tuesday: 10am - 12pm, 4pm - 6pm, 10pm - 12am

..."

 
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Epic churns out weekly updates to Fork Knife and is constantly changing the game.  I have no doubt they could put together a decent client if needed.  Growing pains.  

 
It took about an hour to apply a 200mb patch on PS4 yesterday afternoon before my game became operational.   Then it hit -28 degrees last night and I lost my internet at about 10:30pm.  It's -22 right now, but someone actually went into work today at Comcast and put the hamster back on the wheel. 

You don't realize how completely attached and dependent you are on internet access until suddenly you don't have any.  The struggle is real;  I had to watch disc movies in bed last night. 

 
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It took about an hour to apply a 200mb patch on PS4 yesterday afternoon before my game became operational. Then it hit -28 degrees last night and I lost my internet at about 10:30pm. It's -22 right now, but someone actually went into work today at Comcast and put the hamster back on the wheel.

You don't realize how completely attached and dependent you are on internet access until suddenly you don't have any. The struggle is real; I had to watch disc movies in bed last night.
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Wow, you still keep porn DVDs around?

Also, Shaq-Fu is in the latest Indie Gala - Source: Sasquatc4 from the SpoderFox Deals Discord (SDD)

 
I picked up Destiny 2: Forsaken for 20 bucks last week and been having a blast while becoming completely addicted again. They fixed so many of the issues people had with the base game. Now there are RNG gun perks (unique spec combos, "god rolls"), automatic high-powered engram drops (your weekly upgrades aren't capped anymore), exotics can drop anywhere, epic shaders drop everywhere, and Gambit is awesome. That Activision stench is already wearing off. Destiny 2 is in a better state than it has ever been before.

INMATEofARKHAM said:
Looks like EA is putting 20 dollar skins in Anthem.... They just don't learn.
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God dammit. There goes all hope I had for this game in just a single sentence. These fucking publishers I swear to god.

Anthem was going to be one of the ~2 games I was going to day1 this year too. EA obviously didn't even learn anything from the Star Wars Battlefront II public relations fiasco.

 
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God dammit. There goes all hope I had for this game in just a single sentence. These fucking publishers I swear to god.

Anthem was going to be one of the ~2 games I was going to day1 this year too. EA obviously didn't even learn anything from the Star Wars Battlefront II public relations fiasco.
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So of all the issues and complaints people had with the closed demo last week its optional buyable cosmetics that were the straw that broke the camels back for you?

I'm still on the fence about Anthem, but as far as microtransactions go this seems like a pretty minor issue to lose your shit over.
 
Master Miguel said:
So of all the issues and complaints people had with the closed demo last week its optional buyable cosmetics that were the straw that broke the camels back for you?

I'm still on the fence about Anthem, but as far as microtransactions go this seems like a pretty minor issue to lose your shit over.
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I wouldn't call them straws... I liken all the issues to cement blocks. I'm walking along and someone put a cement block on my back. Ok, no biggie. Now you couple in all the connection issues, another block. Ok. So then they add in obscene (price-wise) DLC, final one. I can understand that it's available/earnable in game. But since we have no relative idea (because the game doesn't work enough to... you know.. play it) how long this $20 will take. What is my time worth? This is CAG... C is the operative letter here.

 
Just a heads up to anyone that put Knick-Knack consumables on the market.

They expire on the 2nd and they're not selling super fast.  None of mine have sold yet.

Might want to keep an eye out over the next few days to make sure they don't go to waste.

 
I still dont get the issue, its an optional skin. This isnt like the battlefront issues at all, where there were actual gameplay elements locked behind microtransactions and RNG ability cards. This is a skin, a skin no one needs, a skin that doesnt affect gameplay. Who cares if they want to charge 100$ for it? They can charge whatever they want and when only 100 idiots buy it then maybe they'll drop the price

Games already have skins that cost close to that, r6's elite skins cost ~15$ real world money since you cant unlock them with the free renown, and you know what, most people dont buy them, its a choice that doesnt affect the game

 
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IkedaTeramusa said:
I wouldn't call them straws... I liken all the issues to cement blocks. I'm walking along and someone put a cement block on my back. Ok, no biggie. Now you couple in all the connection issues, another block. Ok. So then they add in obscene (price-wise) DLC, final one. I can understand that it's available/earnable in game. But since we have no relative idea (because the game doesn't work enough to... you know.. play it) how long this $20 will take. What is my time worth? This is CAG... C is the operative letter here.
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Which I can understand, but nothing on that shop is integral to the game. If I'm not mistaken you can already customize your suits in the game without buying any of that stuff. Now if all the in game options are trash and you have to spend $20 to look halfway decent then I agree, grab the pitchforks and all that. The stuff they had in the video wasn't even good looking though, even if the price was $5 I still wouldn't buy it and if we're talking about the C in CAG here, why would you be thinking of buying looks for your suit when there are others you can get in the game for free?

Reminds me of WoW, you can get on their shop and buy all sorts of different mounts and pets for like $25. They don't benefit you in the game, most are just reskins of mounts/pets you can get in the game already and its likely the same deal with anthem. The whales who have to look the absolute coolest or w/e will buy this crap up. The vast majority of people will be content with what they already have in game and never even look at the store. I just don't don't understand the outrage.

 
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I picked up Destiny 2: Forsaken for 20 bucks last week and been having a blast while becoming completely addicted again. They fixed so many of the issues people had with the base game. Now there are RNG gun perks (unique spec combos, "god rolls"), automatic high-powered engram drops (your weekly upgrades aren't capped anymore), exotics can drop anywhere, epic shaders drop everywhere, and Gambit is awesome. That Activision stench is already wearing off. Destiny 2 is in a better state than it has ever been before.

God dammit. There goes all hope I had for this game in just a single sentence. These fucking publishers I swear to god.

Anthem was going to be one of the ~2 games I was going to day1 this year too. EA obviously didn't even learn anything from the Star Wars Battlefront II public relations fiasco.
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Destiny 2: Forsaken is the best version of Destiny 2 to date. There's a gargantuan difference and highly better experience between the D2 launch and Forsaken. I'm glad you ended up giving it a shot. Enjoy the grind.

As for Anthem and cosmetics, it's all still speculation. The demo featured super cheap cosmetics and now we see a leaked photo of beyond ridiculous pricey cosmetics. So who knows. I suppose since it's EA we can assume the worst, but getting worked up over speculation is a waste of energy. Probably best to wait on something more official before grabbing a pitchfork, but we are a highly reactionary society.

 
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Just a heads up to anyone that put Knick-Knack consumables on the market.

They expire on the 2nd and they're not selling super fast. None of mine have sold yet.

Might want to keep an eye out over the next few days to make sure they don't go to waste.
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Was that the winter sale stuff? I just converted those to gems. 100 gems each, 10= 1 sack of gems. Easier to sell a sack of gems.

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I still dont get the issue, its an optional skin. This isnt like the battlefront issues at all, where there were actual gameplay elements locked behind microtransactions and RNG ability cards. This is a skin, a skin no one needs, a skin that doesnt affect gameplay. Who cares if they want to charge 100$ for it? They can charge whatever they want and when only 100 idiots buy it then maybe they'll drop the price

Games already have skins that cost close to that, r6's elite skins cost ~15$ real world money since you cant unlock them with the free renown, and you know what, most people dont buy them, its a choice that doesnt affect the game
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This. If you have such an addiction/OCD that you can't resist some cosmetic crap then you need professional help. Cosmetic crap is how devs make money nowadays. It's how they keep servers going. Ignore it. Let the rich addicts or broke addicts fund the game and just enjoy what you like out of it.

I played a few minutes of the Anthem demo. I had a connection issue. I disconnected and reconnected and finished my mission. It was well made, looked nice, I had fun. Not my thing, but not a bad game. NEWSFLASH - the purpose of these betas is to identify these sort of unexpected issues and fix them before the product officially launches. Very stupid to use this as a strike against buying something.

 
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Yeah, the stuff from doing the Advent Calendar.

I never think about gems. I just always throw crap on the market.
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Cards have not been selling at all for me. I probably had 200 or so from 2017 winter sale that never sold. My habit now is to just put them on the market for a few weeks and then convert everything that doesn't sell to gems. Some have crap value in gems but getting something that actually sells beats 100s of .01 cards that never will.

100 gems per item is actually really good for the winter stuff.

 
I think Angry Joe brings a good point though that you can't launch with $20 skins. If you first establish yourself as a good game, and then release cosmetic DLC after you've built up the fanbase who will buy it because they enjoy the game, sure. But launching with $20 skins makes me think that they don't really care about making the game good, they are more interested in making some short-term cash before moving onto the next thing. Like they did with Battlefront and Battlefront II. 

Business-wise, it's a smart move. But I can see why people would be upset over it. It's a symptom of a bigger issue.

 
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I think Angry Joe brings a good point though that you can't launch with $20 skins. If you first establish yourself as a good game, and then release cosmetic DLC after you've built up the fanbase who will buy it because they enjoy the game, sure. But launching with $20 skins makes me think that they don't really care about making the game good, they are more interested in making some short-term cash before moving onto the next thing. Like they did with Battlefront and Battlefront II.

Business-wise, it's a smart move. But I can see why people would be upset over it. It's a symptom of a bigger issue.
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That's a mighty big assumption to make. Does angry nerdboy provide any proof showing every game that releases with $20 skins is a cash grab?

MysterD said:
Metro games are getting review-bombed on Steam b/c of the Epic Games Store fiasco:

https://www.pcgamesn.com/metro-exodus/metro-2033-last-light-review-bomb
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And see, this is why I don't feel bad for the immature manbabies that are gamers.

 
I'm not going to sit here with a straight face and explain how predatory microtransactions are bad for players.  If you are apathetic to these types of issues, or never cared about Anthem, then that's your prerogative.  Some of us play shared-world loot-shooter games hardcore, care about these franchises, shell out $80-120 upfront for DLC packages and season passes, and have been very excited about the prospects of Anthem.  But this little tidbit of news is a microcosm that already proves that there is publisher interference and lording over game design choices in Anthem.  It will negatively affect the health, public perception, and longevity of the game.  Which is also analogous to the trajectory of the state of Destiny 1 & 2 over the last few years in several ways.

 
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