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Good intentions. Miserable results. History, repeating itself yet again.
 
It's interesting that these veterans get so upset with Kerry for speaking out against the Vietnam war, yet have no trouble supporting Bush who got daddy's friends to get him into the Guard and didn't bother finishing her service there.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']It's interesting that these veterans get so upset with Kerry for speaking out against the Vietnam war, yet have no trouble supporting Bush who got daddy's friends to get him into the Guard and didn't bother finishing her service there.[/quote]

What Bush did (and we really don't know for sure what happened there) didn't brand them as monsters for life nor did it make the torture even worse as Kerry's actions did.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']It's interesting that these veterans get so upset with Kerry for speaking out against the Vietnam war, yet have no trouble supporting Bush who got daddy's friends to get him into the Guard and didn't bother finishing her service there.[/quote]

They just like "kicking some ass" and the fact that Bush is a Christian.

This other stuff is just put out for a cheap thrill.

That's fine. America will surely reap what it has sewn.
 
[quote name='camoor'][quote name='MrBadExample']It's interesting that these veterans get so upset with Kerry for speaking out against the Vietnam war, yet have no trouble supporting Bush who got daddy's friends to get him into the Guard and didn't bother finishing her service there.[/quote]

They just like "kicking some ass" and the fact that Bush is a Christian.

[/quote]

So is Kerry.

Kerry is Catholic, and Bush is Methodist.

So they are both part of Christianity, so what is your point?
 
[quote name='David85'][quote name='camoor'][quote name='MrBadExample']It's interesting that these veterans get so upset with Kerry for speaking out against the Vietnam war, yet have no trouble supporting Bush who got daddy's friends to get him into the Guard and didn't bother finishing her service there.[/quote]

They just like "kicking some ass" and the fact that Bush is a Christian.

[/quote]

So is Kerry.

Kerry is Catholic, and Bush is Methodist.

So they are both part of Christianity, so what is your point?[/quote]

Half right

Kerry is Catholic.

Bush is a fanatical Crusader.
 
Looks like some people haven't come to grips with the fact that our presence in Vietnam was wrong.

I know people don't want to be told their actions were part of a great mistake but that doesn't change what happened.
 
Some people believe the war was right, frankly I half agree. We should free people from crazy wackos and stop Russia from getting power, but at the same time we say "screw off" to other countries that need help.

Vietnam was Frances problem and once again we tried to help. What do we get? Tens of Thousands dead and France hating us more.
 
In reality though even though South Vietnam fell the strategic goal of the Vietnam war was won. Not one more country in Asia fell to communism after Vietnam. The domino effect was negated. That's why the war was fought, that's why in the larger historical context it was won.

The goal of the Vietnam war was to never to defeat the North, the goal was to prevent any further inroads of communists in Southeast Asia.
 
That's if the domino theory was ever correct in the first place. Yes, we did stop south korea from falling, but that's probably it. Vietnam, china and russia, while occasionally working together, were more than willing to fight each other. China and north korea were the only communist nations in asia that really worked together. The war between vietnam and china, and the border skirmishes between china and the soviets showed this. A nation becoming communist would have been more likely to occur due to the peoples desire and not any outside push. The domino theory isn't dependant on this, but if they had worked together more to spread communism it would have been more plausible.

The majority of the vietnamese people supported ho chi minh, though his support wasn't as strong in cities as it was in the country. The only reason there was a war was because diem, knowing he would lose, refused to hold elections that would have unified the country. That was why ho chi minh agreed at the geneva accords(against the wishes of many members of his army) to divide the country in the first place, because of the upcoming elections that would reunify the country. To the vietnamese it was a civil war, to them liberation could not happen as long as a colonial power (as we were seen as a continuation of foreign rule) had control. How was the war just considering we were fighting against the will of the people? It was not a war we, morally, should have won. This is different from what may have been best for vietnam, but if the democratic elections were held ho chi minh would have ruled all of vietnam, and not diem.
 
Stolen Honor was on PBS before the election and I thought it made good tibits against John Kerry. Also it's not graphic at all.
 
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