The Shockmaster (And Other Things Of Wrestlecrap) Wrestling Thread

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They want to shape the product.

I'm not justifying what they did, but as many (including KaneRobot) have pointed out, the way to send a message to WWE is to not buy a ticket. Stay home. When they have to move shows because they aren't selling seats, they'll get the message.

 
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Rioting and hijacking = doing the Emma dance and when they say OOH y'all say SOH.

Actually a pretty stacked show though, surprised they did Bryan and Batista already. After giving away the first Wyatt vs Reigns match last week I'm starting to get a real Nitro vibe from Raw.

Then again, the meaning of PPVs did sort of just drastically change, so who knows, maybe giving away stuff doesn't matter.

Assuming that Punk photo was just an old one someone pretended was from today. Maybe he'll start a Gracie fanboy stable with Batista when he comes back.
 
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They want to shape the product.

I'm not justifying what they did, but as many (including KaneRobot) have pointed out, the way to send a message to WWE is to not buy a ticket. Stay home. When they have to move shows because they aren't selling seats, they'll get the message.
This had to be requoted.

 
I abhorred how the company canned the audience during Christian/Sheamus. That is some Fox News shit.
Wait, I thought you didn't watch this product?
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It was a decent show, and I watched the bulk of it live expecting Punk to come back (also two straight hours of phone conversations made me need to veg out for a bit).

They got one over on me. I'll go back to gettin' shit done and watching the DVR on the fly, though.

Curious if y'all agree with the fans taking a dump on the Sheamus/Christian match, though. It wasn't great by any stretch of the imagination, but it wasn't the drizzling shits, either. It was boring if you dislike Sheamus (like I do) and think Christian is just phoning it in until he can retire (like I do).

 
I like the idea of them teasing Bryan with Batista/Orton interactions. I think smart money for them (for the sake of this angle and to save the Wrestlemania XXX main event from being a total flop) would be to add not only Bryan to the match, but Triple H enters himself into the match -- because he only showcases himself with other immortals, or something like that.

Evolution vs. Bryan? God, I hate fantasy booking. Now I know this will never happen.

 
It was a decent show, and I watched the bulk of it live expecting Punk to come back (also two straight hours of phone conversations made me need to veg out for a bit).

They got one over on me. I'll go back to gettin' shit done and watching the DVR on the fly, though.

Curious if y'all agree with the fans taking a dump on the Sheamus/Christian match, though. It wasn't great by any stretch of the imagination, but it wasn't the drizzling shits, either. It was boring if you dislike Sheamus (like I do) and think Christian is just phoning it in until he can retire (like I do).
I'll never agree with a bunch of mouth breathers chanting random nonsense while these guys are trying to sports entertain™, but I think people are just sick of jolly ole' good guy Sheamus. He's entered Del Rio territory, where people are just fed up with this age old shit. He's a much better heel, but he sells more merchandise as a face thanks to the kiddies. As for the latter, well, Christian is Christian. He's kind of like last generation's Kofi, but he's got two WHC wins to his credit. You summed it up nicely though, he's definitely just phoning it in til it's time to ride off into the sunset.

 
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For all the things WWE does wrong these days, banning piledrivers, head shots, and blading are 3 things I think they've done right over the years. Styles Clash isn't exactly a piledriver but it's pretty close in terms if potential neck injury.
What I don't understand is if the move is that easy to hurt someone with, how come Michelle McCool didn't hurt someone with it?

 
They want to shape the product.

I'm not justifying what they did, but as many (including KaneRobot) have pointed out, the way to send a message to WWE is to not buy a ticket. Stay home. When they have to move shows because they aren't selling seats, they'll get the message.
And this is why I won't buy the WWE Network. That's my protest they don't get my money. Especially after trolling all of us wanting Punk at the beginning with Heyman coming out to Punk's music. fuck this company.

 
And this is why I won't buy the WWE Network. That's my protest they don't get my money. Especially after trolling all of us wanting Punk at the beginning with Heyman coming out to Punk's music. fuck this company.
I thought the trolling was brilliant on their part. Well played WWE. Well played. :applause:

 
I think a percentage of those Chicago fans will be turned off to the product because of the trolling. In return WWE will have to return with a stacked card. They will then come back.

Drake Younger to WWE.

 
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Has Styles injured anyone with that move in TNA? I would assume that Styles would tell the guy how to take the move when going through spots and the finish beforehand. isn't ROH more for up and comers anyway? Sounds like this could be blamed as rookie mistakes.
Current day ROH is gutted compared to the glory days, but TNA's roster is as gutted if not in worse shape. Both companies could be considered territories for developing talent. Who he injured in ROH is Roderick Strong who, to be honest, has been wrasslin for as long as Styles and, in my opinion, is better at it. I mean The Dojo Bros. makes Air Raid look like amateur hour.

I am completely unsurprised that "Botch Master" AJ "The King of Botches" Styles has started injuring people with that shitty finisher of his. Styles is pretty much Sabu but without the genie pants.

 
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That was the first Raw I've halfway enjoyed in a long time.  This first hour was best then started to die down after that.

 
Well, they had to address the situation, and he wasn't there. So they did what they had to. They're a company, and getting heat (which generates interest in the product) is part of what they're supposed to do. I don't think it's trolling necessarily, which is a term where the actual irritation caused is the very point actions are taken. I say terrible things, you get angry, and that's why I said terrible things. Achievement unlocked, etc. etc.

I have little doubt that WWE is or was feverishly trying to get Punk back into the fold. Dude makes them money, no matter how much he "is" or "isn't" a company guy. They always have room for talent who show they can make money (now, giving people fair and equal opportunities to get over is another matter altogether - point is, in this case, WWE is not going to let a golden goose walk away without any effort at catching him).

But they didn't catch him as of last night, and they had to do something, yes? Look, I'm not justifying everything they do as a company, but let's not fool ourselves so much as to think they're sitting idly by while a bonafide merch-and-ticket mover has gone home. Really, the only thing that's fascinating to me is how they were so reluctant to talk about him at all until last night - whereas they openly mocked and buried Austin and Bret after the fact.

Unrelated, but I found it rather amusing since I brought up Right to Censor last night - I saw Stevie Richards at my gym this morning.

 
I always thought they squandered RTC, that faction could've been much bigger than it was and admittedly I was a pretty big Stevie fan at the time. They still could be bringing Punk back and just couldn't resist faking out the crowd this week.

 
I always thought they squandered RTC, that faction could've been much bigger than it was and admittedly I was a pretty big Stevie fan at the time. They still could be bringing Punk back and just couldn't resist faking out the crowd this week.
I think they were pushed as far as they could. Stevie is no more than a lower mid card guy, and no one wants the Goodfather, they want the Godfather (Id rather Papa Shango myself). Now the J.O.B. Squad on the other hand...

I hope CM Punk stays gone for a while. I am likely alone on this here but the guy is overrated. His ring work is decent at best, and his mic work is ok but everything he says is just ripping of some song lyrics which is what people with no brains do to express themselves. Id rather him stay gone and let WWE put all their efforts into Daniel Bryan and Cesaro; guys who are great in the ring, get great crowd responses and arent cry babies outside the ring.

 
I always thought they squandered RTC, that faction could've been much bigger than it was and admittedly I was a pretty big Stevie fan at the time. They still could be bringing Punk back and just couldn't resist faking out the crowd this week.
They were potentially a great foil for the Attitude Era, but I feel like they were too full of lower-card talent (Bull Buchanan, Val Venis, Stevie) to really make a mark. The whole idea of censoring a show has tremendous appeal in generating heat. But Stevie as a mouthpiece, along with a few guys who could hold their own against, say, the Godfather - yeah, I see your point. But (and I say this as someone who liked the guy as a wrestler), most fans saw Bull Buchanan as a bathroom break opportunity. They were never a credible threat.

I hope you're right with Punk. People are still going to talk about him, and I maintain that he came back wayyyyyy too soon in 2011. The MITB match with Cena remains incredible to watch (thanks, crowd). But his time off and return needed a lot more "foreplay," for lack of a better term.

 
And this is why I won't buy the WWE Network. That's my protest they don't get my money. Especially after trolling all of us wanting Punk at the beginning with Heyman coming out to Punk's music. fuck this company.
You act like this is new. They did this shit with Bret Hart in Canada all the time.
 
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Seems like they are still keeping their options open for the main event.  I personally prefer that scenario of Bryan getting into the main event by beating Triple H which they planted the seeds for last night rather than Punk being thrown into that spot.  He won't win but at least the crowd will have someone to cheer for.  Plus Extreme Rules in Jersey is guaranteed to be a hot pro-Bryan crowd.

Curious if the Reigns vs. Rollins vs. Ambrose thing is going to happen now since it seems like they are headed towards a Cesaro vs. Swagger vs. Big E match.  They don't usually like to throw multiple 3 ways onto the same card. 

Or they could continue what Rollins started last night and pair Ambrose and Reigns together in the tag title match to see if they can get along.   It'd be a shame if Rollins didn't get a WM match though.

I imagine that last night was the end of Wyatts/Shield and Rowan/Harper will move on to go against the Usos. (who should be finishing out their feud with the Outlaws on Main Event tonight)

Looking like...

Batista vs. Orton (with the option for a third)

Lesnar vs. Undertaker

Triple H vs. Daniel Bryan

Bray Wyatt vs. John Cena

Big E vs. Cesaro vs. Swagger (IC Title)

Reigns vs. Rollins vs. Ambrose (US Title)

Usos vs. Wyatt Family

Sheamus vs. Christian

AJ vs. ???

Seems like a decent card other than the soft main event...a scenario which they seem to be willing to accept at this point.  Plus I'd like to see the Rhodes brothers get on the card somewhere.

 
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I'm watching the first episode of Smackdown on the Network, and it's weird to hear the whole phrase "WWF" after so many years of "WW_".

 
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I'm watching the first episode of Smackdown on the Network, and it's weird to hear the whole phrase "WWF" after so many years of "WW_".
I do enjoy the edited references where Hulk Hogan talks about how he has the whole WWE behind him after beating Iron Sheik for the title.
 
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Who in the Christmas Crunch is Drake Younger?
Drake Younger is an athletic hardcore wrestler that's wrestled in CZW and PWG. He's been on WWE TV once already in a segment with Ryback. My best memory of him is a deathmatch he had with Sami Callihan (Solomon Caine in NXT) in PWG where Callihan STAPLED dollar bills to Younger's face.

In spite of this, he's better than your average deathmatch wrestler. He's very athletic and more importantly can get a crowd behind him in a manner similar to Bryan and Zayn. He isn't quite the workhouse as those two but it's not surprising the WWE picked him off the indies.

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Jump to 4:26 to see the madness. It was seriously brutal. In some ways he reminds me of Dean Ambrose.

 
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First off, I love PWG and Drake Younger is awesome.

What's not awesome? WWE Network has removed all but 4 episodes of ECW Hardcore TV, several episodes of Raw (although they added 2 new ones), 1 of the Legends discussion panels, and possibly more.
 
What's not awesome? WWE Network has removed all but 4 episodes of ECW Hardcore TV, several episodes of Raw (although they added 2 new ones), 1 of the Legends discussion panels, and possibly more.
There was only ever 4 episodes of ECW TV available on there to my knowledge. That was the first thing I looked at when I noticed there were no WCW Monday Nitros available.

 
They added more either this past weekend or earlier this week. They had 8 episodes of ECW Hardcore TV in total. Thankfully, I watched them all before they were removed.

The Network is not working right at this moment on my PS3 or PS4. It keeps kicking me out with error messages. I can't get anything to play without freezing, but I can view the schedule and listings.
 
Maybe it's age, but I just can't stand the deathmatch shit anymore. Totally unnecessary.
I saw the hardcore match Younger had with Sami Callahan and it didn't do a thing for me. I agree, it's definitely something you grow out of as you mature.

i think it's obvious that he has to have the American Males theme when he shows up at someone's house as their escort.
Plus he would have to do that ridiculous dance/strut as well.

 
Leo Kruger's new gimmick is fucking hilarious.  Looks like he's having a lot of fun doing it as well.  Not so sure about about the lariat as a finisher for that character but it was a good debut.

 
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I am so happy for Steen but will be so sad to see him leave PWG for WWE. 

If anyone deserves the WWE paycheck, it's Steen. He has been the best anything in wrasslin for such a long time. 

Sure, WWE will neuter him, mercilessly, but he'll be reunited with Generico, which will probably make him happy and in turn make me happy.

 
If anyone deserves the WWE paycheck, it's Steen. He has been the best anything in wrasslin for such a long time.

Sure, WWE will neuter him, mercilessly, but he'll be reunited with Generico, which will probably make him happy and in turn make me happy.
I still believe the only thing they'll neuter from him will be his Package Piledriver, unless he can show them that he's safe with it, like Bourne did with the Shooting Star Press & Neville did with the Red Arrow.

 
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