[quote name='MSI Magus']So in other words you pull a theory out of your ass and then ask the rest of us to do the work to prove your theory. Yep sounds like a Knoell post.
But hey lets enter Knoell world for a minute(just a foot in to your world though, dont want to catch the crazy). Lets say your right. Lets say that Christians, hell lets take it a step farther and say all of religion combined does more good then all government and non profit organizations combined. Do you think they alone can meet the needs of the impoverished masses? Do you think they alone can feed the hungry, clothe the poor, give shots to those in third world countries and clean their water supplies?
Even if we pretended that every last freaking religious person in the world was the good hearted soul you naively believe them to be it would not be enough.
As it stands though your world is a sham that you build to back your beliefs. The reality is that not all churches do charity, those that do charity do not do so every week or even month.....yet charity is needed every day in massive amounts.
So I am sorry but it changes nothing. Most conservatives are anti abortion while at the same time pro small government. You do believe in cutting welfare programs, international aid and other vital programs. You may go and work a soup kitchen or most likely handle charity like my mother in laws church who does charity that directly benefit church members not the unwashed masses. But if you then go to the voting booth and vote to cut federal funding to these vital programs it means your a pro life Christian 2 or 3 days a month.[/QUOTE]
As for this mess of a post that is full of insults, which is why I retaliated besides being on my way out.
Anyways, I admit I spoke too soon when I said conservative christians, when I wrote that I had all christians in my head and was only quoting the term someone used.
Here is another thing, what conservative christian wants to eliminate all government programs? What conservative christian thinks they alone can help everyone? They are usually grateful for whatever help they can get. Another wrong assumption.
We are 2 for 2 in BS.
I never said all christians a true hearted. If I did, please quote me. So quit being a damn liar and assuming things. I am not sure what this even has to do with anything besides your simpleton hate for hypocritical christians. Possible stemming from noone asking you if you needed help. I think there is even a quote of me somewhere on this forum saying that the country is 75% people claiming to be christians but I don't believe anywhere near that number is the amount of true christians.
3 for 3 in BS.
Churches do more than drives, events, and soup kitchens. They consistantly stretch out to help anyone who comes to them for help. If they run out of money, they appeal to the congregation to donate to a special cause. However you are right, this isn't enough, but it is an indication that christians who are conservative or liberal want to help the community. Reducing social programs is not a matter of hurting the poor it is a matter of spending money more effectively. If the social programs that exist were at all effective more people would be for them.
So I will give that one to you even though you have no idea what conservative christians are really for. 3 for 4 in BS.
Lastly, I have never heard of a church that runs a soup kitchen for its congregation. But okie dokie, those bastard churches are just helping their own!
4 for 5 in BS.
[quote name='MSI Magus']/nod thats another fact that I did not take in to consideration. Many churches besides doing work that mostly benefits their congregation also tend to proselytize in the process. It is rarely charity for charities sake.
My mother in law that is out twice a month for her churches breast cancer walks and fairs(which started when a member of the churchs sister got breast cancer)pitched a fit and then refused to toss my wife a Bridal shower when she said we didnt want gifts, we wanted people to donate to charity. When at Christmas we said we didnt want to get gifts and again asked for charity donations we had the same reaction(the following year we stopped celebrating Christmas).
I am not saying I think this is the typical Christian, I certainly dont...but I think its much more common then Knoell would ever admit.[/QUOTE]
More bias BS. How often do people donate to causes that affect them directly? I know a number of people who have had loved ones with cancer or have died from various cancers who donate for a cure. Does this somehow negate the donation to the cause? Come on man be reasonable, it is common sense for people to be more appreciative of causes that affect them than not. Regardless of that people are still charitable without being affected personally. How many churches sent help down to haiti? How many people donated to the cause in haiti? japan?
Regardless of your personal stories of how your mother in law is so greedy, I can give you 10 times that in stories of churches I have seen being selfless. It is all conjecture. Go and find a church you actually like, and you will see what they do. (You do have to find one you like, as there are a lot of bad ones, but thats just me being naive isn't it?
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Meh I just put him back on ignore. Took him off a few months ago and iv tried hard to talk to him a few times...but unlike people like uncle bob or thrust that I may not always agree with...there is just no debating with him. Bob may twist things some of the time but he at least attempts to put forth SOME kind of debate....Knoell just ignores points, facts and statistics to focus on twisted logic. I really wish everyone else here would put him on ignore too. I think we would be better off not just as a board but as a nation if we learned hard to try and find a middle ground and discuss issues civilly....but then ignore the people that prove they have no interest in facts or logic the way we would a child.
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I am not sure which facts, or statistics that I am ignoring in your posts but feel free to point them out to me. So sorry I am not "debating" with you on your terms of complete and utter bull shit.
ers better get jobs, right? You all love to act holier than thou when it comes to "protecting life" but as soon as the umbilical cord is cut you'd just as soon let the kid starve in the street as help it's family. Hypocrites of the highest order.
