The "Stay Classy, Republicans" Super Nintendo Chalmers Thread

[quote name='ID2006']I can't figure out what your quote is supposed to mean. It just seems like a pointless statement.[/QUOTE]

DD's selected quote typically means that you should vote for the candidate out of the main two that will do the least harm.

My selected quote is just pointing out that if you're supporting a candidate that you know is "evil" (will do harm), then you're still supporting evil. With that said, in reply to the posted question about supporting Mitt Romney so *something* gets done... I just can't agree with that course of action.
 
Hey bob, if you happen to find a white knight candidate, vote for them

Cross thread reference, 10,000 points.
 
so Papa John's guy says he's going to raise prices if Obamacare sticks. That's kinda BS since PJ's are franchised and the founder/CEO would have no real skin in the game. Since those franchises qualify as small businesses more often than not (less than 25 FTE employees), they qualify for a tax credit of 35% for providing insurance which increases to 50% in 2014. Previous to scary govt insurance, those employers that offered insurance could expense their costs towards reducing liability.

All in all, being able to take the 35-50% credit will actually be a larger decrease in taxes than merely expensing the amounts.

Once again, stupidity and ignorance reign supreme.
 
Papa John is in the tank for Romney, so it's beneficial for him to put up a stink about it.

Think about that for a moment - how often to corporations openly say they're going to pass costs onto consumers? Right-o, my friend - so there's a very sincere underlying reason why it's suspicious that he would openly do so now.

EDIT: Also, his pizza fuckin' sucks, and you should be ashamed if you purchase it. Same goes for any chain pizza, really.
 
I hate the policies, but don't mind there pizza. Especially the chicken spinach alfredo one. Can't compare with a good local joint (no chain place can), but I'm not a big pizza lover in general, and certainly not a pizza snob. :D Hard to beat the $10 large specialty/up to 7 topping deal they've been running for a while though.

But yeah, this is just trying to rile up people against Obama/Obamacare which sucks.

On the other hand, people should be willing to pay a bit more for things like pizza so workers can have insurance and a living wage etc.
 
If you want quick and cheap, yeah, it's not bad. But there's quick and cheap pizza joints all over Philly that are family owned and operated. I'd rather support those (but that said, there really isn't a must-have slice in this town, and that's rather unfortunate).
 
Yeah, there's not much here in ATL either. A couple ok slice places, but they're pricey ($3-5 a slice). And a lot of the other local/regional places don't deliver and also are $20ish for a large specialty.

I just hate paying those prices for pizza since I'm not a huge lover of it. If I'm going to eat something unhealthy for that price theirs a lot of things I'd rather go for.
 
If you are ever in College Station, TX - and god help you if you are - then drop by Antonio's. Shit is AWESOME. They only have five locations in the states (and I think one in Italy? I could be misremembering).

Some of the best pizza I've ever had. They have crazy toppings - like "spicy enchilada" and "barbeque steak bacon" and "chicken bacon ranch."

One of the few things I miss about that hellhole.

Papa Johns has gone down in quality drastically in the last ten years, and I think I've reached a point where I can pass them up fully now.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Thats true, I misrepresented what I was trying to actually say. I am not scared of Mitty Rom himself because no matter what a person says they wind up being somewhat in the middle during their presidency anyway.

What I mean to say is the mentality that Americans have that is driving this is seriously scary. The thought that people would jeopardize the country as a whole based solely on not wanting one side to win over another is reaching a level that I just cant help but fear. Once you start doing that....voting for sub-par candidates just because.....is when you start to spiral.[/QUOTE]

Well I disagree that all Presidents are middle-of-the-road. Dubya was fanatically pro-Christian, pro-War and he was an absolute disaster of a President - possibly the worst President the US has ever had. He made mind-blowing mistakes that it will take decades to fix (if we ever do)

Most Americans are incredibly ignorant - right now this is not a huge issue because the politicians manipulate this for their own gain and that of their corporate cronies, but it is definitely a liability.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Papa John is in the tank for Romney, so it's beneficial for him to put up a stink about it.

Think about that for a moment - how often to corporations openly say they're going to pass costs onto consumers? Right-o, my friend - so there's a very sincere underlying reason why it's suspicious that he would openly do so now.[/QUOTE]

True but I think he's overestimating how much people will care about his politics.

The owner doesn't understand that the people in his commercials are paid to like him. Most Americans don't give a shit. If he raises the cost of his pizza, people are going to say "fuck Papa Johns" and order from some other cheaper pizza chain.
 
Papa John's pizza is horrible anyway, that shit always kills my stomach when I eat it. There's no lack of good pizza places around here, so fuck 'em.
 
nothing compares to Gino's East!

Of speedy pizza joints, I'd say PJ's is probably the best of the bunch. Dominos is just god awful and Pizza Hut is just too greasy for my tates.
 
Maybe he thinks now is a good time to voice political concern through the use of food.

I wonder where he got such a crazy notion.
 
You know it's funny, off all the fast foods I can think of, Pizza is probably the most equitable food out there. It can be sliced so that everyone gets an equal amount and no one gets left out. Pretty sure I just blew the Papa's mind.
 
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Of speedy pizza joints, I'd say PJ's is probably the best of the bunch. Dominos is just god awful and Pizza Hut is just too greasy for my tates.[/QUOTE]

Definitely true. Domino's is awful and I can't handle the grease and thicker crust on Pizza Hut's stuff (and their thin crust is awful).

I generally only get pizza when I'm home and lazy since it's the easiest thing to get delivered cheap. Occasionally I'll go to the slice place near my work since they have some good, thin crust pizzas and not much grease or tomato sauce on some of the veggie specialty ones.

Just can't do much grease or tomato sauce with my stomach problems.
 
I actually like Pizza Hut's thin crust, that was what we always got when I was a kid, guess it just stuck.
 
Looking into it, the owners of Little Caesars is one Michael Ilitch, and his wife Marian. He also owns the Detroit Tigers and the Detroit Red Wings. Searching their known political contributions, its been overwhelmingly but not exclusively towards Democratic candidates. They also seem to do a fair amount of non-political philanthropic spending, through food and sports for kids related programs. The strangest thing is that the whole family was in the tank for Guiliani during the primaries. The same people who donated to the likes of Schumer, Gillibrand and Hillary Clinton. Not sure how you square that.

Eating has never been such an exhausting activity.
 
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Huh. The founder/owner of Domino's is also from Wayne County, MI (or just outside, I think).

Apparently the tale of growing up in the mean streets of Detroit to become an international crummy pizza magnate is oft told.
 
Homework time, everyone.

Write down your favorite restaurants.
Look up the CEOs and founders.
See who they donate to.
Realize life is horrible and we all will beg for the sweet release of death.
But only after another Bloomin' Onion.
 
I just want one person to ask John Schnatter if he's willing to provide health care benefits to all of his employees, even the ones making a measly $6.41 delivering pizzas which is probably just enough to pay their rent if they're lucky.

Government is increasingly having to pick up the slack because companies are increasingly treating their employees no different than the equipment they use to sell their product.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I just want one person to ask John Schnatter if he's willing to provide health care benefits to all of his employees, even the ones making a measly $6.41 delivering pizzas which is probably just enough to pay their rent if they're lucky.[/quote]
Which of his employees are only making $6.71/hour? Because they have a lawsuit in the wings.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Which of his employees are only making $6.71/hour? Because they have a lawsuit in the wings.[/QUOTE]
Several. Sounds like a shitty situation all around given the stories listed.
 
[quote name='Strell']Homework time, everyone.

Write down your favorite restaurants.
Look up the CEOs and founders.
See who they donate to.
Realize life is horrible and we all will beg for the sweet release of death.
But only after another Bloomin' Onion.[/QUOTE]
These companies have such convoluted structures it can be hard to figure out. Do you look for the CEO of the restaurant chain, or the CEO of the company which owns the company that runs the chain? Ugh..
 
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[quote name='UncleBob']Which of his employees are only making $6.71/hour? Because they have a lawsuit in the wings.[/QUOTE]

If a job is server based and depends on tips the employer can (and will) pay less than the $7.50 minimum wage.. I know your workplace experience is limited to Wal-Mart but there are ways around paying minimum wage...
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Looking into it, the owners of Little Caesars is one Michael Ilitch, and his wife Marian. He also owns the Detroit Tigers and the Detroit Red Wings. Searching their known political contributions, its been overwhelmingly but not exclusively towards Democratic candidates. They also seem to do a fair amount of non-political philanthropic spending, through food and sports for kids related programs. The strangest thing is that the whole family was in the tank for Guiliani during the primaries. The same people who donated to the likes of Schumer, Gillibrand and Hillary Clinton. Not sure how you square that.

Eating has never been such an exhausting activity.[/QUOTE]

Giuliani is an old-school neocon, it's not surprising at all that a person would support him and Clinton/Schumer/Gillibrand.
 
The White Castle CEO said Obama Care will put him out of business so I gotta figure he's a Republican. I love me some sliders though so I'll deal with the bullshit.
 
[quote name='KtMack23']The White Castle CEO said Obama Care will put him out of business [/QUOTE]

Sounds like the market sorting itself out to me.
 
It's kind of funny when restaurants say they'll go out of business if they have pay their employees more benefits. You mean people won't pay more for your shit burgers? You'll go out of business? That's probably for the best. Maybe you can start a new chain that serves better food, albeit for a higher price. At the least people won't be able to afford to each junk food as much, which is good.
 
just out of curiosity, do the "Obummer raised mah tackziss!!" people know how to read their paycheck? For funsies I have a running spreadsheet that tracks every paycheck I've gotten and what my deductions were. Despite an almost 30% increase in pay, my % for taxes has gone down though I still take home about 74% which includes deductions for medical/dental/401(k).
 
[quote name='Clak']It's kind of funny when restaurants say they'll go out of business if they have pay their employees more benefits. You mean people won't pay more for your shit burgers? You'll go out of business? That's probably for the best. Maybe you can start a new chain that serves better food, albeit for a higher price. At the least people won't be able to afford to each junk food as much, which is good.[/QUOTE]

Or you know, they could just lower their own pay/incentives... Then again cutting back on greed is the first step toward socialism so we can't consider that.
 
[quote name='Clak']http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/item/12395-small-businesses-bemoan-obamacare-costs[/QUOTE]

I have a super biggie size order of no-fucks-to-give. You already know at the end of the day that they'll hurt their bottom line workers and customers by firing low level employees, using lower quality foodstuffs, and raising prices. The boys at the top won't get hurt at all.

Myke brings up a good point - that's a shady as fuck tactic. Sadly, it will absolutely work for a large number of people.
 
I get the feeling that in the next year or so we're going to see the true colors of more and more businesses. Maybe, just maybe, it will open some eyes. It's actually kind of an exciting time to me.
 
[quote name='Clak']http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/item/12395-small-businesses-bemoan-obamacare-costs

Reading that article gave me a distinct feeling of, "fuck y'all".[/QUOTE]
[quote name='Clak']I get the feeling that in the next year or so we're going to see the true colors of more and more businesses. Maybe, just maybe, it will open some eyes. It's actually kind of an exciting time to me.[/QUOTE]

This is showing precisely what companies have shied away from admitting for years. People are expenses that need to be kept in check. Most companies don't give a shit about their people, they want their jobs done cheap and nothing else matters to them.

I'm hoping people open their eyes as well to see what's going on. Corporations want us to rely on them but they have no reliance on us whatsoever because we're easily replaced by someone who is willing to work cheaper. Capital has been consolidated to the point that the "American dream" these days is just surviving day to day. As long as we sit back and continue to let corporations bully both the government and us as individuals it will continue because greed it's "profitable" for them to do so.

While they sold a great story 30 years ago, Reaganomics was the worst thing to happen to the lower and middle classes since this country was founded. It was initially successful and continues to be a success for the rich (more than 1/4 of the richest 400 Americans making more than $200 million a year paid less than 15% taxes) it has left the middle class eroding and done nothing to help the poor. Apparently the trickling would be faster if they government didn't force them into providing us health care?
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Well, well. Paul Ryan. They were going to be attacked on the Ryan budget anyway. I guess one strategy is to double down, and have the guy on point.[/QUOTE]

Still trying to figure out who they think Ryan will pull to their side. The people I know who like Ryan would never have voted for Obama anyway. It really kind of baffles me.
 
Its about enthusiasm. Their side really doesnt like Romney all that much. Now they've got the creator of something extreme enough to to satisfy many Republicans on board.

As a strategy, its risky, but not altogether terrible. It should bring the democrats together as well, because they find that plan terrifying. What the minuscule number of undecided, mostly low information voters will think of it, I dont know.
 
They would've voted for Romney anyway because they're anti-Obama. Unless Romney goes completely right wing during this campaign as a shock to everyone, including Obama, I fail to see what this brings to the ticket.
 
Many may not vote at all. The other extreme, they are hyped, they vote, they get others to vote. They volunteer and phone bank. Ground game. Right now many of them may have already given up after seeing poll after poll look ugly. They need hope.

You need your base mobilized.

As a young, smart seeming guy, he can probably torch Biden in their one debate, but I dont know much about Biden's history of debating.
 
The thing I find odd about Ryan as a choice is that, up until now, Romney has offered so little information on what sort of budget he'd create. He has mostly been either nonspecific or just given very broad details. I sort of wondered if that was a tactic so he could basically just run on the "Hey, at least I'm not Obama!" thing. Since "generic Republican" has been the only candidate that has been able to defeat Obama in the polls, I figured he was trying to be as generic as possible by just hitting on the various bulletpoints that appeal to the GOP without getting into too many specifics.

By picking Ryan as his running mate, however, he is essentially allowing the Ryan budget to become the defacto budget of the Romney campaign. It will certainly give the Obama campaign a lot more specifics to attack him on, which has the potential to put Romney on the defensive almost immediately. I don't see how he has Ryan as his VP pick without either having to defend the Ryan budget or coming up with a complete budget of his own.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']I don't think Papa John's classifies as a small business, so they wouldn't be exempt.[/QUOTE]

Depends. Any corporate store would fall under pretty god damn big business but individual franchises could get the tax credit if they have less than 25 FTE employees and are setup as "Carl's Pizza Business DBA Papa John's" or some such thing. The DBA (doing business as) being key if Car's Pizza Business is indeed a small business based on # of employees. This would require Carl to probably only have one PJ's.
 
That's what people don't understand when they talk about how small businesses are responsible for a lot of jobs in the U.S.. They aren't necessarily talking about some little mom and pop type shops or something, but the McDonald's franchise in your town could just as easily be included. Republicans don't bother pointing that out though, because you have to already be a rich SOB to own a MickieD's.
 
or have access to a decent loan... Then again, during major expansion times (when exurbia becomes outer ring suburbs) and McD's wants to throw a shop every 5 miles along the hwy they'll typically waive franchise fees for a year or two to entice more doors.
 
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