Don't think they can be, unfortunately.I would just crossfire the gpu+apu.
Don't think they can be, unfortunately.I would just crossfire the gpu+apu.
Word.down the line I'm saying if you decide to get a gpu to match the one inside the apu
Well now I'm kind of backpedaling again. I used to have a smaller monitor that only did 1440x900 but now I'm using a Sony Monitor which does 1080p. It seems kind of silly for me to spend the money to make a parallel jump only to get a smaller mini-itx case. Not to mention although older my 5770 would probably perform a bit better than the A10-6800k APU.Jkam, what resolution do you intend to play at? The A10-6800k or 5800k should be fine for 720p or even 1600x900 if you had 2133mhz ram.
I don't want to be rude but why are you bent on the mac mini size? Mac minis are small because most of the parts are made for a laptop form factor.Well now I'm kind of backpedaling again. I used to have a smaller monitor that only did 1440x900 but now I'm using a Sony Monitor which does 1080p. It seems kind of silly for me to spend the money to make a parallel jump only to get a smaller mini-itx case. Not to mention although older my 5770 would probably perform a bit better than the A10-6800k APU.
I guess it kind of makes more sense to either build a mini-itx system with a card or just hold on to what I have until it makes sense to buy an APU. I here the upcoming Kaveri from AMD hitting in early 2014 should be another jump.
I've actually been thinking that maybe I should just stick with what I have which I could always upgrade down the road if I feel like it.
I think part of it is I want a small system (mac mini - intel nuc) in size with some real graphics power. Although it seems some strides have been made with crazy laptops like the Razor Blade no one is really pushing anything close in the desktop space probably because if you are a PC gamer you want the biggest baddest. Let's be honest too a small gaming desktop would be a niche of a niche product with probably not a lot of market.
I wish AMD would make it's own little box similar to the NUC. Even if it was 2 or 3 Mac Minis on top of one another in size with like an A-10 I think it would be exciting since PC case design hasn't really shrunk enough. I'm guessing with all gaming heat would be the issue although the Intel 5200 Iris Pro might be a better solution for something small since it uses less power. I kind of want to see the next round of mac minis and intel nucs which will be hitting anywhere from late 2013 to early 2014 to see what kind of graphics they use.
I'm being unrealistic at this point....but honestly if I could find something small and play my STEAM library as it is today I'd probably be set.
You aren't being rude. I don't know I think I've been on a "less is more" kick lately. Finally ripping the last of my CD Collection boxing them up to put them away, clearing out older stuff I no longer need, and just removing the excess clutter. I realize the mac mini is made from laptop parts and my computer is probably something silly I feel the need to downsize but I think I'm also at a crossroads if I should stick with PC gaming because I don't find myself sitting at the computer desk to play a game as much. I've been playing more on console. Not that my STEAM library is huge but I wouldn't mind firing up a game if I feel like it though.I don't want to be rude but why are you bent on the mac mini size? Mac minis are small because most of the parts are made for a laptop form factor.
The closest you could get to that size in mini-ITX is one of those cramped shuttle cases.
I know exactly how you feel about PC gaming. Personally, I wanted to go mITX but people talked me into going ATX instead.You aren't being rude. I don't know I think I've been on a "less is more" kick lately. Finally ripping the last of my CD Collection boxing them up to put them away, clearing out older stuff I no longer need, and just removing the excess clutter. I realize the mac mini is made from laptop parts and my computer is probably something silly I feel the need to downsize but I think I'm also at a crossroads if I should stick with PC gaming because I don't find myself sitting at the computer desk to play a game as much. I've been playing more on console. Not that my STEAM library is huge but I wouldn't mind firing up a game if I feel like it though.
It probably also started a bit when I saw this case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163208
Even though the case is small you can get a decent graphics card in there. I think part of it was when I built my current rig I really wanted to go Mini-ITX instead of ATX but people talked me out of it. Live and learn.
Yeah I think you are right, I think I'll wait it out a little while longer.I know exactly how you feel about PC gaming. Personally, I wanted to go mITX but people talked me into going ATX instead.
IMO you should wait a year or two until APUs can truly game. In the meantime, you should save and when the time comes, build with a capable APU so that you have a daily driver and something that could play games without breaking the bank.
550W is definitely okay, as long as you're not overclocking. I have a 500W power supply with a Core i5 4570 and a GTX 770, and it's nowhere close to being a problem.Can I reuse my old 550VX PSU from my last build if I want to get the Haswell i5 or i7 with a 7970? I've been out of the game too long, so I don't know what's what anymore. I'm also trying to save some money in the new build. Here's a link to the PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139004
Yeah, definitely depends on what you're doing. I stream tv shows/movies with Netflix, and listen to all my music with Spotify, so I don't need as much space as others. My point is mainly that you don't necessarily need to get a super high end SSD, when a much cheaper one will serve your needs. Read speeds on low end SSDs are very good for the most part, it's the write speeds where the performance gap is. So if you're going to be playing games, you might be better off buying a larger capacity drive for the same price, so you can enjoy shorter load times and such with more games.Thanks for the replies about my build. I am a little shocked at the recommendations to get an i5 instead of an i7, though it does save me ~$100.
As for the SSD, I don't think I could squeeze all of the files I have to fit into a 250GB SSD, which is why I went with the smaller one along with the 1TB HDD. I would get an even smaller SSD since it would mainly be just for the OS, but the price was so close I figured I could toss a game or two on the SSD as well for just a few $$ more.
Have you taken a look at some of the High Rez Korean monitors?
They do not , although I heard that some people have been able to order both processors with a motherboard online for store pickup, and then just buy the 4570 with the discounted motherboard, but YMMV.Thanks StickyWaffles for the feedback. And thanks for posting your rig components. I'm debating between the 4570 and the 4670k, but does microcenter bundle the 4570 too? Otherwise, the 4670k comes out cheaper I think.
Now I have to look for a short length video card to fit my case.
Nothing will ever be incompatible with a case. It's a piece a metal with a front USB panel. You have an ATX case so size is not an issue. This is more than 2x the power you will need with those parts.The reason i have the 850W power supply is because several of the reviews on newegg mention needing a high power supply for the case.
As for why I have high specs on the other stuff, I was just trying to ensure the parts made for a definitive upgrade over what I am using now. My current PC is a store bought one that I think I got at the end of 2010, but I am not positive, so I guess it may not take much to ensure a definitive upgrade.
Here are the specs for it that I could find
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 870 @ 2.93GHz
8GB Memory
ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series
4843 MB Total available graphics memory
1.35T HD
Also, I am pretty sure that I checked to make sure that everything was compatible with the case. Is there any part that I may have overlooked that isn't?
I worded it wrong, as I meant size wise not actual incompatibility. That power supply would end up saving me around $20 after rebates and promo codes, though I do hate dealing with Newegg rebates so thats a bonus.Nothing will ever be incompatible with a case. It's a piece a metal with a front USB panel. You have an ATX case so size is not an issue. This is more than 2x the power you will need with those parts.
Ah sorry then. But it is compatible. Are you set on getting the 660? The 7950 would be a much better option at that price.I worded it wrong, as I meant size wise not actual incompatibility. That power supply would end up saving me around $20 after rebates and promo codes, though I do hate dealing with Newegg rebates so thats a bonus.
Someone earlier had mentioned bumping up to a 760, so I was looking at this one. It is in a combo deal with the motherboard I am looking at, though it isn't a very large discount.Ah sorry then. But it is compatible. Are you set on getting the 660? The 7950 would be a much better option at that price.
Are you planning on overclocking? 7950s see more of a performance increase from overclocking than 760s and are cheaper aswell. Stock, they are on the same footing.
Then you should go with the 7950 because it's cheaper, unless you reallllllyyyyyyyyyyyy want the new batman game.I have no plans to overclock
That mother board you linked to earlier would get the job done just fine if you still end up going that route. An option besides X51 is ibuypower's Revolt system. It's much more powerful than a similarly priced X51 on dell's site, and has other perks like free games. You would have to pay shipping, but no tax outside of California, which more than makes up for it.After doing some research, it doesn't look like I'll be able to fit a good gaming video card in my case. I have an Apevia XMaster like this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144231
My current card is an MSI 8800GT, which is 9" L x ~4" H. I don't think I can fit anything larger than that. So now, I need to find a case big enough to fit the card I want, but small enough to fit in a TV stand. I'm almost at the point of just buying an X51, but I'd rather save some money and build it myself if I can.
Edit: looks like the biggest I can fit would be a 7850.
The 760 generally gets higher performance than the 7950, and usually isn't much more expensive, but there are some good sales that make me agree with you, that the 7950 is a better value. This msi card is $180 after rebate:Are you planning on overclocking? 7950s see more of a performance increase from overclocking than 760s and are cheaper aswell. Stock, they are on the same footing.
It is, but in terms of prebuilt SFF PCs, it's a better option than the X51.That seems really giving expensive to me for not that much stuff.
Never posted in the PC forum before but I need some PC gamer opinions. I am building or buying a PC in the near future, I haven't owned a gaming PC in about 7 years. Basically my GPU went bad back then and the Xbox 360 came out so I went the console route. In the last Steam Summer Sale I went crazy and now I have games I missed out on and need to play them. Plus I got actual broadband in my home so theres that.
My question comes down to timing, more than anything. We all know the new gaming consoles are coming out in the next few months or so. So, is it better to wait until after the consoles launch to start looking at PC hardware/builds or is now a good of time as any. Obviously if I were building a PC a couple years ago I would of just dived in for the best best performance/price right now.
When I do commit, my budget won't really be a concern but I am not one to buy the best just because its new. I always look for the sweet spot of price and performance when it comes to components. So I won't be getting into massive liquid cooling set-ups and dual or quad SLI or crossfire off the bat. But I will be very mindful of longevity and upgradability in the future.
What do you guys think? Considering I can't be the only one out there with the same question. Maybe it been talked about to death but the "Next generation" is just around the corner and I can't decide.
Well, I will get either the Xbox One or PS4 on launch. Plus I still want to play some PS3 exlcusives like The Last of Us, so I need to pick up a PS3 sometime. I am not abandoning consoles, just not sure If I should hold off a bit more for a PC. Thanks for the reply.If you like consoles then wait. I am about to sell my current gaming rig, and I will be waiting a good year before I build another one.
I like consoles better just because people I know play more on them, and I have a better MP experience for games. MP seems to be a huge selling point come this next gen, and that's what I enjoy most.
With a budget of $1000 you can build a good rig, but $1000 now, and $1000 a year from now could be very different.
I also skipped getting a PS3 but just like you, there are several exclusives I want to play (including The Last of Us). I will be getting a PS4 at some point and plan on holding off on the PS3 titles because of the future implementation of Gaikai and backwards compatibility. I am under the assumption that the BC will only work on digital downloads, so by the time I get a PS4 most of the titles I want will be cheap(ish) digital copies.Well, I will get either the Xbox One or PS4 on launch. Plus I still want to play some PS3 exlcusives like The Last of Us, so I need to pick up a PS3 sometime. I am not abandoning consoles, just not sure If I should hold off a bit more for a PC. Thanks for the reply.