why handly if their is no problem. lets face it both system have giant fan base and it sucks to say but most young adults to young kids game on xbox. both systems will be hard to find this xmas season even if production is normal on both this will not be the wii u launch all over again. If ms never took out the drm and stuff away yes but now that's all gone it will be very close. plus if they had say a 299.99 system but need to have a live sub for two years that will do well i think.
MS doesn't have that must have image in the console market that apple does in the tablet. They've never been that dominant. They aren't dominant now.the thing that is confusing is that they show the image of that box on some site in system info. im set for live for like 3 years so don't affect me
lets do a example for a tablet. People buy their kids a 500-600 doller ipod for xmas when you can get a non apple product that does the same thing for like 300-400 dollers cheaper. The people that buy systems at launch are mostly hard core gamers or hard core fanboys. i think with this drm thing gone both these system will be neck and neck thsi holliday season.OK, since no one else dealt with this I'll take it. Are you serious Timbo!? The X1 is $100 more than the PS4 no matter how you look at it. It may not matter to a lot of CAGs, but to the average Joe around the holidays that will be a big issue.
So according to you the PS4 is really $500 because you have to add PS+ and with tax (WTF, is the X1 tax-free?) that makes it the same $500 as the X1. Seriously!? Um, maybe you forgot about a thing called Xbox Live Gold which will be required for more features on the X1 (Netflix, etc, as well as possibly some of the TV stuff, who knows) than those for which PS+ is required on the PS4.
Applying your same logic evenly and fairly to both systems, the PS4 is $400 + $50 + (let's assume 8% sales tax) = $486. But the X1 is $500 + $60 + tax = $605. When you factor in $10 more for Gold and the sales tax, the difference is actually more than $100. Lest you forget, when you pay more for something (like the X1), you pay more tax as well
I mean, seriously...
Now I do think the subscription service model with a cheaper base price might help them offset that because people don't seem to mind paying way more over the long run with monthly fees than they would up front.
might i add alot of states you don't pay tax on amazon till you report it on your taxes in spring
this day and age people buy product by name brand mostly and price for avg people is not a factor
Dead Rising 3 and Forza 5 would be my picks if I was getting it at launch. Holding off for TitanFall, Quantum Break, and Sunset Overdrive. Should give me enough time to see how the hardware holds up and maybe a bundle deal.
I can see the Kinect being worth the extra $100 for somebody that plans on getting it anyways. But for me I'm not a big Kinect fan so that $100 could be used for an extra controller, a game, a XBL Gold subscription, new gaming headset, or even an extended warranty.
apple is a brand name that people would buy anything with apple on it. xbox has large following just like playstation that will help them at launch.MS doesn't have that must have image in the console market that apple does in the tablet. They've never been that dominant. They aren't dominant now.the thing that is confusing is that they show the image of that box on some site in system info. im set for live for like 3 years so don't affect me
lets do a example for a tablet. People buy their kids a 500-600 doller ipod for xmas when you can get a non apple product that does the same thing for like 300-400 dollers cheaper. The people that buy systems at launch are mostly hard core gamers or hard core fanboys. i think with this drm thing gone both these system will be neck and neck thsi holliday season.OK, since no one else dealt with this I'll take it. Are you serious Timbo!? The X1 is $100 more than the PS4 no matter how you look at it. It may not matter to a lot of CAGs, but to the average Joe around the holidays that will be a big issue.
So according to you the PS4 is really $500 because you have to add PS+ and with tax (WTF, is the X1 tax-free?) that makes it the same $500 as the X1. Seriously!? Um, maybe you forgot about a thing called Xbox Live Gold which will be required for more features on the X1 (Netflix, etc, as well as possibly some of the TV stuff, who knows) than those for which PS+ is required on the PS4.
Applying your same logic evenly and fairly to both systems, the PS4 is $400 + $50 + (let's assume 8% sales tax) = $486. But the X1 is $500 + $60 + tax = $605. When you factor in $10 more for Gold and the sales tax, the difference is actually more than $100. Lest you forget, when you pay more for something (like the X1), you pay more tax as well
I mean, seriously...
Now I do think the subscription service model with a cheaper base price might help them offset that because people don't seem to mind paying way more over the long run with monthly fees than they would up front.
might i add alot of states you don't pay tax on amazon till you report it on your taxes in spring
this day and age people buy product by name brand mostly and price for avg people is not a factor
I think Microsoft priced the Xbox One at $499.99 on purpose to prevent it from needing to drop the Xbox 360's retail price of $299.99. It creates a $200 barrier between the two devices so it doesn't eat into potential Xbox 360 sales for those who can't afford the Xbox One. Dropping the Xbox One's price so quickly also gives Microsoft a hard time to keep the price high for the remainder of the generation. It's been 8 years and the most expensive Xbox 360 sku still retails for $299.99. Guess how much the most expensive xbox 360 sku launched at? The Xbox 360 20GB Premium Edition launched at $399.99, lol.
Well the Kinect 1 was $150 to start, and if you go to the MS website It's $40 for a 2 year extended warranty just for the Kinect 1. My guess is Kinect 2 is $150 or so if they sold it by itself.
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most parents bu a new thing of what thier kid already has. kid tells their parent mom/dad i want the new video game system out never says what one and parents go into store and say oh a new xbox is out or ps4 and they would be like well they have to old one lets get them the new one. I know when it comes to my kids i mostly buy them the newest toy out when they have the same kind but older seeing i know they will like it.Timbo, the hardcore gaming crowd is not what is going to sustain either system. What I am saying is to the non-gamer (or parent buying for a gamer kid) looking to pick up one of the systems for this holiday and beyond (not at launch) the $100 makes a big difference. That is all and it is pretty obvious and self-evident. All your pricing comparisons don't mean squat to the people you are talking about anyway (ie, those who are loyal to either brand and don't own the other), so I'm not even sure why you brought it up if that was what you were talking about.
And no shit people can get stuff tax-free, but you were the one that added tax (and PS+) to the PS4 purchase to somehow make it out to be the same price as the X1 (as if that wouldn't have tax in the same scenario). But wait - wouldn't that same hardcore gamer already have PS+? Discussing stuff with you is like chasing your own tail
That's what I think as well, I might be missing something here but I honestly dont understand why the Xbox One can't function without the Kinect plugged in. If someone does then please enlighten me. I'm hoping they'll flip another switch and offer a SKU without one.
Can you point me to the source that says yield problems are on the sRam not the processor?
If the Kinect isn't there you can't slide screens to switch from gaming to TV. Also, you can't say "Xbox On"
About a month ago I was told by an unnamed source that Microsoft was having heating issues with the Xbox One. There wasn’t enough details to go forward with a story so it was kept under wraps until more information surfaced on this issue. Today, a completely different source close to the Xbox One project, informed me that Microsoft will have to under clock the Xbox One about 100-200mhz to fix the systems heating issues.
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Well Call of Duty Ghost is available to the 360 and PS3 too. Most casual gamers will not spend another $400 or $500 just to play the latest version when they can just spend $60 for the same version in their eyes.
I don't know if I would call them the "casual" gamer crowd, more so the "dudebro" gamer crowd, but yes I agree.
If this were remotely true the PS3 would have been a massive hit right out of the gates( based on the 120m PS2 owners who were guaranteed to buy a PS3, right?) and the 360 would have been left in the dust coming off their 20m Xbox install base. Price matters, and average consumers have no loyalty and have no problem jumping ship.
Sales figures would make sense in a vacuum but in the real world game sales are based on install base. Since the 360 dominated in the US, 99% of multiplat games sold better on the 360. Does that mean every game is associated with 360?
Well, the dudebro crowd is kinda casual. You know, get together Saturday night, pay some CoD or Halo or what have you.
Well figure this: $400 plus tax (8% where I am at) is 432. $500 plus tax is 540. So for the price of the X1 plus game I can get the PS4 and about 3 games. $100 is a big difference when your shopping smart. And it really comes down to who will be the first to launch, IMHO.
From what I understand, problems with the components may result in fewer X1's being produced. If true, it means that if both sell out, PS4 will do more in sales.
This was last year's figure, 2012.. not when the last generation of consoles dropped. If you compare 05 and 2012 (cant do 13 yet of course), they come out around the same. $800-850 vs $900-925 depending upon where your looking at the surveys.
I agree on the first part, both will sell very well and will sell out initially. I however think you are underestimating the $100 cheaper price of the PS4. I think the cheaper price will override brand loyalty for a lot of people. I'd personally be very surprised if the X1 outsells the PS4 anywhere. I of course could be underestimating brand loyalty and even as I type this I am acutely aware that I'm only buying the X1 first because of my own brand loyalty which kinda flys in the face of my previous statement.
Yeah I provided you the wrong article, my bad. The heat issue/downclock rumor isn't even true.
Thanks htz, this is somewhat interesting to me, according to my knowledge, ESRAM technically should not have yield issues, unless they rushed the design. At this point either they solved it, or going to power through the yield issue by selling at a loss, in hopes to capture the market. If it is the latter, there is no way I will buy at launch, because immature manufacturing process will result in very high in field failure rates and accelerated circuit aging. But I doubt I will find any concrete info on this.
Xbox one uses APU which is a really big die that needs to house the cpu, gpu AND in xbox one's case also the ESRAM which takes up a huge amount of transistors and therefor physical space on the chip.
Lol he probably has a huge back log of 360 games to plow thru first to hit his 1mil GS goal.
the problem is most causal cod players have people they play with and those people stick with xbox systems and get xbox one they will not switch to ps4 just because of cheaper price.
Unless their band of brothers decide to jump ship as well.
that's what i met by if those people
Thanks again htz, I don't follow neogaf (I can only do one forum, which is CAG) so I appreciate you pointing me to the info. What the poster explained about the yield and defect issue is true, though I usually use a different approach to explain yield.
Doubtful, especially due to the "last playing windows phone" activity log. Still, people that I work with that are huge Xbox fanboys, people who initially were super excited just to hear there might be a new console, are now torn between the two. The price difference and slightly more powerful hardware do make a difference to some of the dudebro crowd.
