I think most companys will still use online pass on ps4 nooo way they don't get something out of used games on the ps4 seeing how everyone is against xbox one.
Ok. If they have such a big problem with how GameStop operates, why not pull their games from the stores? Oh wait...right, then they'd have way less exposure. So, instead, let's punish the consumers who have nothing to do with the way GameStop sets their prices. Better yet, let's partner back up with GameStop so everybody wins except the consumer. Brilliant strategy. Basically, MS and GS are calling our bluff that we'll grow a pair and tell them to piss off. And I'm not going to be some shill who just bends over and takes it because I "need" to play the next Halo. The only time I shop at GameStop is when I can rip them the
off. Why? Because they stopped being competitive with their pricing years ago. If MS wants to follow them down that road, I have no problem doing the same with them. This is business. We're not best buddies. I don't owe them anything.
Just like you were sure PS4 would have very similar DRM restricitons like the Xbone right?
Other than so called free to play games I've never seen a game that had micro transactions that amounted to not having the full game without them. For all the hate EA gets they've actually been especially good about this IMO, at least in the games I've played. They give you a leg up sometimes sure but that's about it.
ea sports games are awful with microtransactions you can't even play with some people in madden 13 connected career they are locked till you get them in ultimite team packs and the legend packs cost money. Ea blocks alot of their games with dlc's made during game dev time which in my mind should never happen. only dlc i approve of is dlc made AFTER the game was published
down and stop posting so much. It seemed like at E3 you were becoming a little more "fair and balanced". What happened since then? You've gone completely off the edge.Bingo - I currently have an Xbox One preordered. I wouldn't have even considered that without the ability to trade in a bunch of games I didn't want to play any more. (And by the way I'm keeping many more than I am trading so I would still want the ability to play those - that cutesy gif assumes trading in is all-or-nothing which is idiotic).
Yep - now, how is this helping out the publishers? I'd wager that the average game traded in to GS doesn't go through nearly 10 re-trades and re-sales. And yet here MS is going to let 10 "friends" share those games. I assume, Timbo, that you will refuse to participate in this gamesharing since you are taking food out of the developers mouths by doing so?
Yeah, so here is where the whole "bringing up Gamestop" thing goes crashing into a brick wall. Microsoft is DOING NOTHING to negate Gamestop's used game business. IN FACT, they are helping it a great deal by removing the ability to sell games user-to-user and on eBay or Amazon marketplace. You might look down on those forms of sale as well, but at least there people are getting fairer value (seller gets more, buyer pays less, as the middleman Gamestop is cut out of the equation). Microsoft is in fact propping up Gamestop and their so-called evil business model even more.
well to be fair to sony online networks is what ms has been doing for 20 something years
And here's even more reason why it is driving me crazy to see moralizing about Gamestop and peer-to-peer used game selliing from Timbo. Lest anyone forget, Timbo justified being able to pay $60 for new release games because you can easily return them if you don't like them - yes, even after you have opened them and played them. How did he explain how he did this? By telling the retailers they were defective and then convincing them to give a refund instead of a replacement copy. Never mind that this wouldn't work 95% of them time (though he claims he is so charming he gets it done - I'm doubting that but whatever). It is also shady and, guess what, hurts both the retailers and probably the publishers at well. So bravo.People who don't commit retail fraud?
TBH I have been replying back and forth in this thread alot, I haven't witnessed a personal attack in awhile. Also I can't believe you are justifying that...
Completely disagree. Everyone has already talked about how they buy cheap used games and then sell them off to make some money back. Guess what? The person that bought it from you has the same idea. I could buy a used game on ebay right now and I have no idea how many people its gone through....it could've gone through 50 sales already, and any of those people could have let plenty of their friends borrow it before they sold it off. That's the point....right now there's no limit to how many times one used copy can be sold, and yet the developer only gets paid once.
This is not a personal attack: Please stop this line of defense. It's not working. Admitting to doing this is only making things worse.
.And you would like to put a limit on that because....? (Please don't tell me it is to help publishers) If you care about the publisher so much, go buy stocks.
.Which new IP's are you talkimg about? I'm pretty sure some of the third party titles are goimg ps4 eventually. Notably Titanfall.
If this were true, everyone wouldn't be flipping out on microsoft about limiting used game sales.
One thing's for sure, people with the X1 going to GS to trade in and regularly getting lower prices than PS4 customers for their games and seeing them resell for higher prices for longer than used PS4 games are not going to be happy.I really doubt used game selling on eBay goes through as many people as you think either. It would be an interesting thing to study though I'm not sure how you would do it. But I can guarantee you one thing - if there are any "estimates" from publishers, they are overblown
But most people don't sell their games. Thus it seems like most second sales would go to people who then afterwards don't sell the game again. Maybe they give it to someone, sure. But that's probably about it. It still seems, in the long run, there would be less sharing than this 10 person thing MS is on about (though it remains to be seen if that is as great as people think it is). If this plan is truly as generous as they make it sound let's face it, there will be a crapload of gamesharing threads and sites all over the Internet and that will have a huge effect on first sales. So, it is either bad for publishers or Microsoft PR, because of the backlash, is pushing a feature that isn't going to be as great as they make is sound.
I mean most people in the general public, not on CAG - ie, those who you would sell to on eBay and Amazon. I'm sure a huge percentage of the time that is the end-of-the-line for that game. It goes there and stays there.If this were true, everyone wouldn't be flipping out on microsoft about limiting used game sales.
titanfall was announced yesterday as a 100 percent x1,360,pc exlusive was big news on ign
Keywords "It could"If this were true, everyone wouldn't be flipping out on microsoft about limiting used game sales.
@htz of course I want publishers/developers making more money. For one, it could lead to more exclusives (if the x1 sells well). It could lead to companies making sequels of games that I want to play. Plus, I think if people bought more games new, then every developer wouldn't be trying to turn their franchise into COD because they'd see they could still sell by being different.
Read the quote, it is most likely a timed exclusive.
Return games do hurt retailers, but let,me see if I can get it out of you.
i don't order or single stores im a buyer that decides what store have inside stores in my district. We have many d.c we store products in.
most stores will give you in store credit which i get all the time. the company i work for all you get is in store credit. stores will do anything they can to keep people coming back if you worked retail you would understand that.
ripping them off? most retailers either sell the open product at a ten percent discount or send it back to d.c who then sends it back to where ever they got it and get refunded the price of that product. plus you act like i do it all the time all my new games come from amazon. Only times i buy games from stores is when they are cheap and older games .
Amazing how Boner fanboys will look past glaring issues just so they can accept this piece of garbage into their home all to play semi mediocre launch titles. But I digress.. The problem with having all this data on you is it becomes your past, let's say you want to run for office or get a high profile job and your opponent can pull footage from your house and then use it to slander you. Right to privacy is a big
in deal and shouldn't be dismissed because some asshat fanboy thinks it's paranoia or lunacy.
but people have no problems in have a cam built into their labtop which is always powered when you use your labtop and alot of people have a cam on thier desktop.Amazing how Boner fanboys will look past glaring issues just so they can accept this piece of garbage into their home all to play semi mediocre launch titles. But I digress.. The problem with having all this data on you is it becomes your past, let's say you want to run for office or get a high profile job and your opponent can pull footage from your house and then use it to slander you. Right to privacy is a big
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD5LZSk2TIE
yep you are right i guess i noo nothing even if i im the one that handles that stuff for a decent size retail chain
It would be hard to say. I think if you could wipe Gamestop from existence the gaming market would be a lot different than it is today so its hard to compare. But yeah, right off the top of my head I would think preorders would be lower. I also doubt devs would care as much if they knew they were going to get a cut of every sale, even if it was smaller, then the current fiasco of having to sell at the beginning or pretty much be through. People seem to love to hop in their time machines and then come back and report that Microsoft and/or Sony would never do anything like Steam pricing, but that doesn't make any sense to me. If so many people are dependent on trade ins for buying new games, and if used games went away, then it obviously follows that some people just aren't going to be in at $60. I don't know why Microsoft and Sony would be sitting there at $60 a year out and not wanting to get the money of the people who are at the lower price points. They would just be hurting themselves. I think the reason why games on demand/full game pricing is so horrible NOW on PSN/Xbox Live is that truth be told they really don't care. They know that you know that there are cheaper avenues out there, and just sort of consider it a bonus if you buy digital and pay their convenience fee.
They only get money back on truly defective product. If it's sent back, and it's ok they don't get shet back. It's crazy how many rules exist when it comes to retail returns.
Isnt that a loaded question Mako?
The hypocrisy of this comment makes me laugh. By the way why don't people just ignore Timbo, that's apparently his strategy when he's called out for half the stuff he's full of crap on.
That's my point.
Who says people don't have a problem with this? Just because it hasn't been a mainstream headline in your world doesn't mean the issue doesn't exist.
last used games i got was like five rock band games at least over a year ago. i don't even support gamestop i buy all my games from amazon
why don't you put me on ignore if you don't like what i say you just advised others to do that
But you HAVE bought a used game. And since you lie about so much stuff I'm sure those purchases from amazon are marketplace used games.
