Atlus is bankrupt.
Something tells me that you're going to be in for a huge let-down when you get it and realize it's just another game console that looks better than the last one. "it's literally rocket science" - the word "literally" is used way too often as hyperbole. If it was "literally rocket science" then the Xbox One would "literally" take off into space.
Leaps and bounds ahead so that it flies off into space? Dude you really are dumb
You're not going to get any meaningful gaming experiences with Kinect 2.0 outside of dance/fitness games. Three years of Kinect trash and people are still going on about "potential". They had three years to develop for it and they haven't done shit. It being more powerful won't change that. The only reason they're including a Kinect in every box is for whole app/tv features thing they're trying to push. Developers will just shoehorn kinect BS into their games. Trust me.
For the most part I agree that's probably what will happen but I do think there's plenty of potential outside of just those types of games. Even something slower and exploration based could be pretty fun I think. Something like Myst or that Haunt game that's already out for Kinect. Sure that game might not be very fun but if you imagine better game like that along with a perfect Kinect, I could see it working pretty well for something like that.
I absolutely agree that if the Kinect is going to have any meaningful development it has to come with the system. Every single PS3 peripheral and even mildly successful stuff like the Wii Motion + which actually did deliver on the 1:1 motion and had a few great games like Red Steel 2 & Skyward Sword had virtually nothing developed for it. Whether it will have anything is a big question mark, I just don't believe in it as a gaming device and until we see it out of these extremely controlled, rehearsed and in some cases outright faked circumstances (basically out in the wild) I remain pretty skeptical. Get some good unique software on it and have it actually work in homes as they promise it will and I will be open to changing my stance however.
I think we have different definitions of literally because it is literally not rocket science.
Exactly. The people have spoken and relegated motion gaming for dance & fitness games. That's it. It doesn't matter how accurate K2.0 is. WM+ was 1:1 and people still didn't care and even shrugged off the mighty Zelda because of it.
I gave you my justification on why it will be garbage in my previous post but I guess you missed it. However, I'm happy the Kinect 2.0 will make wacthing tv and skyping easier for you and you're family. For me though, MS hasn't shown anything to warrant its inclusion with the system and I'll buy one when I dont have to pay extra for a gimmick that I don't want/need. And how the hell is the PS Eye "destined for failure"? Becasue its not included in the box? Give me aThe rocket science quote that everyone is giving me shit over are not my words. Those words have been posted in several articles.
I think you all are completely playing down the Kinect for no reason and without justification.
Everything out of the demos show that it will be leaps and bounds beyond the original Kinect. And also show that there will be more use for it than just dance games.
I've said this 100x in this thread, I'm in this for way more than games I want the entertainment value. A true family entertainment box that includes games, TV, sports and entertainment for my entire family (wife who does not play games & my kids).
So I love the Kinect because my kids can Skype with their grandparents without using my phone the iPad or laptop. For the voice activated controllable features and for the in-game fun.
I believe that the forced inclusion in games will be more on the PS Eye and the move controls.
MS doesn't need to push developers to use the Kinect because they don't need to sell the peripheral it's included. So some developers will chose to make great games for the Kinect and some will make shitty ones. Some will add it as a throw away feature and some will add it as a killer feature. I can definitely see it having more potential with the 2.0.
The Eye on the other hand is destined for failure. And for some that may not matter but still Sony will want to push that feature, they put a light bar in the controller for god sakes, so you will see a low install base, shovel ware and shitty integration in first party games.
MS is definitely going about this very intelligently trying to take over the living room and integrate itself in the family experience where everyone can get something out of it.
Like I said I love playing games when I have the time after my little ones and wife are asleep. But I am not hardcore to say the least. I want something that my entire family will enjoy and that is the X1.
If you want to just play games get a PS4.
Gaming wise I think they both are going to be very similar so pick which one has the games that you like best buy if someone is going for a complete entertainment package I don't know how the X1 couldn't be the top choice. From Kinect to the NFL and HDMI in along with Halo, Gears and Titanfall. To me it's a no brainer but that's what I want out of my box. You guys obviously want something different and that's fine with me.
Enjoy your PS4's I know I'm going to enjoy my X1! Sorry that makes some of you angry.
ing break.The only person getting angry is you any time someone suggests the possibility of something negative about the x1. You keep bringing up halo, gears and cod, but am I the only one who doesn't want to see another space marine or faceless jarhead? Wasn't there a time when games were about creativity and new experiences instead of just pandering to the lowest common denominator of teenage boys who want to play at being in the army? This isn't necessarily even an x1 comment, but it seems like most of the ms exclusives at this point are all things that seem like they should attract people of a much lower intellect or level of maturity than I'd expect from this site. Imean, I can definitely understand being invested in a character or story, but at least for me those characters would have to have some semblance of a personality for that to happen.The rocket science quote that everyone is giving me shit over are not my words. Those words have been posted in several articles.
I think you all are completely playing down the Kinect for no reason and without justification.
Everything out of the demos show that it will be leaps and bounds beyond the original Kinect. And also show that there will be more use for it than just dance games.
I've said this 100x in this thread, I'm in this for way more than games I want the entertainment value. A true family entertainment box that includes games, TV, sports and entertainment for my entire family (wife who does not play games & my kids).
So I love the Kinect because my kids can Skype with their grandparents without using my phone the iPad or laptop. For the voice activated controllable features and for the in-game fun.
I believe that the forced inclusion in games will be more on the PS Eye and the move controls.
MS doesn't need to push developers to use the Kinect because they don't need to sell the peripheral it's included. So some developers will chose to make great games for the Kinect and some will make shitty ones. Some will add it as a throw away feature and some will add it as a killer feature. I can definitely see it having more potential with the 2.0.
The Eye on the other hand is destined for failure. And for some that may not matter but still Sony will want to push that feature, they put a light bar in the controller for god sakes, so you will see a low install base, shovel ware and shitty integration in first party games.
MS is definitely going about this very intelligently trying to take over the living room and integrate itself in the family experience where everyone can get something out of it.
Like I said I love playing games when I have the time after my little ones and wife are asleep. But I am not hardcore to say the least. I want something that my entire family will enjoy and that is the X1.
If you want to just play games get a PS4.
Gaming wise I think they both are going to be very similar so pick which one has the games that you like best buy if someone is going for a complete entertainment package I don't know how the X1 couldn't be the top choice. From Kinect to the NFL and HDMI in along with Halo, Gears and Titanfall. To me it's a no brainer but that's what I want out of my box. You guys obviously want something different and that's fine with me.
Enjoy your PS4's I know I'm going to enjoy my X1! Sorry that makes some of you angry.
ing break. it and get a PS4 and be awesome like everyone else. I provided my justification. You do have to buy the damn thing it's America. You have the right to not buy it and the right to continue to be an ass to me. I have never fired at you. And to think we have crossed paths for years on this forum and had a good relationship. But so be I have defended the X1 you have acted like shot towards me.
Doesn't make me angry personally. You are entitled to your opinions as much as I disagree with them.The rocket science quote that everyone is giving me shit over are not my words. Those words have been posted in several articles.
I think you all are completely playing down the Kinect for no reason and without justification.
Everything out of the demos show that it will be leaps and bounds beyond the original Kinect. And also show that there will be more use for it than just dance games.
I've said this 100x in this thread, I'm in this for way more than games I want the entertainment value. A true family entertainment box that includes games, TV, sports and entertainment for my entire family (wife who does not play games & my kids).
So I love the Kinect because my kids can Skype with their grandparents without using my phone the iPad or laptop. For the voice activated controllable features and for the in-game fun.
I believe that the forced inclusion in games will be more on the PS Eye and the move controls.
MS doesn't need to push developers to use the Kinect because they don't need to sell the peripheral it's included. So some developers will chose to make great games for the Kinect and some will make shitty ones. Some will add it as a throw away feature and some will add it as a killer feature. I can definitely see it having more potential with the 2.0.
The Eye on the other hand is destined for failure. And for some that may not matter but still Sony will want to push that feature, they put a light bar in the controller for god sakes, so you will see a low install base, shovel ware and shitty integration in first party games.
MS is definitely going about this very intelligently trying to take over the living room and integrate itself in the family experience where everyone can get something out of it.
Like I said I love playing games when I have the time after my little ones and wife are asleep. But I am not hardcore to say the least. I want something that my entire family will enjoy and that is the X1.
If you want to just play games get a PS4.
Gaming wise I think they both are going to be very similar so pick which one has the games that you like best buy if someone is going for a complete entertainment package I don't know how the X1 couldn't be the top choice. From Kinect to the NFL and HDMI in along with Halo, Gears and Titanfall. To me it's a no brainer but that's what I want out of my box. You guys obviously want something different and that's fine with me.
Enjoy your PS4's I know I'm going to enjoy my X1! Sorry that makes some of you angry.
) into a game like Kinect Party. But IMO it remains to be seen how it will be used for more in-depth/intense games. And the worry that some have is that precisely because it is included in every system, MS will pressure devs to shoehorn it into games where it doesn't necessarily make sense. Think Wii waggle... I know for sure I don't want to be screaming things at my console during gameplay (outside of family party game type things) so the voice recognition is of little interest to me beyond the turn on/turn off features which I would use only when the kids are doing Kinect-only stuff (and thus I don't need a regular controller). The current Kinect was so frustrating in that respect. I often have to repeat things and it almost never picks up the kids voices. I assume that is one thing that will be improved and that's great. But that doesn't mean much beyond removal of a bit of frustration.
Didn't mean to sound hostile, sorry about that. The Xbox One is obviously the console that appeals to you the most (Kinect and allYou are ridiculous. I'm sorry you are right I should just say
) and there's nothing wrong with that. I just hope they'll make the Kinect optional at some point so I can buy one. Like I said before, MS hasn't shown anything to warrant its mandatory inclusion with the system and after the whole DRM reversal I'm very optimistic that we'll see an SKU without one down the line.
That's just it, the Kinect is fun... until the novelty wears off a month later (unless you're into dance games).
IDK. I still think there's a huge chunk of gamers who are like me and have no interest in any kind of motion control or voice command type stuff no matter how fast and accurate it is. I've been playing games, using computers etc. with traditional controllers, keyboards and mice for going on 3 decades now, and just have no interest in controlling them other ways.
I specifically compared to this to the Wii which had the motion control to begin with, you ignored this. I think we can all agree that MS isn't nearly the game studio that Sony or Nintendo are, they don't have the people. the experience or the track record, it's never been their strong suit. But if they aren't leading the way with some strong software for the Kinect, the 3rd parties aren't likely to follow suit, and even if third parties do, we've seen how that works. They go with safe knockoffs and outright garbage in some cases.
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Pure speculation and wishful thinking on your part with no factual basis whatsoever. By comparison, the Sixaxis had 100% install and that did not equal more games and more implementation. Now I am not equating the Kinect 2.0 with the Sixaxis, but I am merely trying to point out the flaw in your statement. It's no different than the idea that the all-digital game library would result in lower priced games.
Well the Wii in terms of pure sales wasn't a failure either, they made so much off that and the DS (and are continuing to make plenty of money off the 3DS now) that even Michael Pachter, who continually says Nintendo is doomed to failure this gen, has said they can probably continue to fail for a couple decades before they are even in serious trouble. The Kinect is not integral to the 360 experience, MS is pushing Kinect 2.0 like it is, and they don't have any software to really back that up as of yet, and we've yet to see if it really works as advertised in the real world. The Wii had Nintendo to make super-successful games. You don't have that same commitment from Microsoft as of yet. It may happen, but given their development history and what was shown at E3 I doubt it.
Ha you old. Wait so am since I've been gaming since the Atari days...Gaming is so elitist nowadays. Hard to believe how things have changed since I got my first Atari at release
That's the argument I love. I have a friend that parrots the same thing. Imagine the Kinect seeing me having a heart attack and calls 911! That would be awesome! Since it's included someone will create something awesome! Imagine this! imagine that! yada yada yada. Those ideas are all well and good but at the end of the day they're just that, ideas. Kinect does none of these things.
