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#3211 bob330i

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 11:27 PM

Even if you don't plan to use any offensive magic, it's probably a good idea to get at least 10/16 faith and/or 10 magic to get access to some useful buff miracles/spells which don't depend on pumping the magic stat to do damage.
Miracle
Evacuate = to return to the nexus
Second Chance (16 faith+15 Int) = Survive a mortal blow and refills half your health once per cast.
Anti-magic field (16 faith) = Prevents non-bosses from casting magic, VERY handy for the tower of Latria.
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Cloak = Enemies have to get very close to see you
Cursed weapon(18 int) = Buffs your non-magic damage weapon for +50% more damage at a cost to health
Warding = greatly reduces physical damage taken
Water Veil = Reduce fire damage
Poison/death cloud = Useful against tough enemies by reducing their ability to heal while slowly sapping their health.


At the last two playthroughs (NG++/+++) on my way to the platinum, I played around with magic and miracles with dex build (mainly melee/bow use). These (for me) seemed to be the most useful:

magic:
warding (against the one shot non-boss enemies and main bosses when casting time wasn't a factor)
poison cloud (cheap boss kills)
water veil (for blue dragon final fight)

miracles:
evacuate (when farming stuff)
soul sucker (farming BP skeletons/pure bladestones)

The rest of the abilities I used was from equipping special weapons or rings. So there wasn't much use in using magic/miracles at that point.

#3212 jh6269

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 08:22 AM

Ok, I'm at Old King Allant and I think I'm screwed. I did all of the assassination quests and killed all of my NPCs. I took Death Cloud (since that's what it said in the walkthrough), and it doesn't work at all (I guess the patch 1.03 made Death Cloud ineffective). So, now i have to kill Allant melee. I've tried lots of combinations of weapons and stuff, and nothing really helps. So, was I supposed to take Poison cloud and not death cloud? Is there any other weapon I can use to make it easier?
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#3213 ChibiJosh

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 04:32 PM

I used poison cloud on him.
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#3214 guardian_owl

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 05:02 PM

Ya, one of the later patches made death cloud ineffective against most of the bosses.

Warding will make the fight a lot easier. Or do what I do, start with second chance, then cast Warding if he breaks it (as Warding casts must faster than SC). The timing between his lunge strikes are about perfectly long enough that if you munch on grass or spices he will hit you just before you have the ability to roll so get some distance on him before you attempt to refill with grass.

I find a shield which blocks 100% physical like the steel / purple flame / brushwood shield is quite handy as a safety net. Use the shield to protect yourself from the long range wind slashes, then strafe or roll to avoid his attack with shield raised so that if you mistime the roll you protect yourself from the majority of the damage, and if you avoid the attack you have the stamina to get in a few quick blows then roll away.

If you have the ability to play online you can play in soul form until you kill the fat ministers on the narrow walkway, then use a Stone of EE to get your body back and look for blue soul signs the rest of the way up to the throne room.

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 05:40 PM

Ya, one of the later patches made death cloud ineffective against most of the bosses.

Warding will make the fight a lot easier. Or do what I do, start with second chance, then cast Warding if he breaks it (as Warding casts must faster than SC). The timing between his lunge strikes are about perfectly long enough that if you munch on grass or spices he will hit you just before you have the ability to roll so get some distance on him before you attempt to refill with grass.

I find a shield which blocks 100% physical like the steel / purple flame / brushwood shield is quite handy as a safety net. Use the shield to protect yourself from the long range wind slashes, then strafe or roll to avoid his attack with shield raised so that if you mistime the roll you protect yourself from the majority of the damage, and if you avoid the attack you have the stamina to get in a few quick blows then roll away.

If you have the ability to play online you can play in soul form until you kill the fat ministers on the narrow walkway, then use a Stone of EE to get your body back and look for blue soul signs the rest of the way up to the throne room.


Well, I think I'm pretty much SOL b/c I only have God's Wrath, Death Cloud, Evacuate, Soul Ray and Flame (similar to soul ray). I killed all of the NPCs so I can't switch my magic anymore.

So, how do I do the blue eyed stone? I was able to throw it down in soul form, I guess that allow others to get into my game. So if I go into body form and go into another person's game, and we beat Allant, will he be dead in my game too?

I'm not quite clear on it. Anyway, I threw down my blue stone and waited for a long time and nobody came to help.

I'm around level 102 now, so if there's anyone that has poison cloud and is willing to spare the time to help me, please add me to your friend's list and send me a PM (to coordinate). I'll probably be on later tonight.

I don't think I'm able to kill him melee, he's just too fast for me, and my character isn't very strong (I did the assassin's build thing). I got him down to about 25% of health and just couldn't do it again.

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#3216 mguiddy

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 05:56 PM

Couldn't you delete the patches and play offline long enough to kill him?
I'm not very experienced with how online works in this game, but I know that strategy works with other games (like leveling up quickly in RDR).

#3217 jh6269

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 06:22 PM

Couldn't you delete the patches and play offline long enough to kill him?
I'm not very experienced with how online works in this game, but I know that strategy works with other games (like leveling up quickly in RDR).


I don't know how to delete the patches. I went to the game data utility and Demon's Souls is not there. I was thinking the same thing.

#3218 Jodou

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 06:34 PM

It's because the US version IS patched. You'd need the unaltered aZn version to do that.

#3219 SteelSD

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 07:00 PM

Well, I think I'm pretty much SOL b/c I only have God's Wrath, Death Cloud, Evacuate, Soul Ray and Flame (similar to soul ray). I killed all of the NPCs so I can't switch my magic anymore.

So, how do I do the blue eyed stone? I was able to throw it down in soul form, I guess that allow others to get into my game. So if I go into body form and go into another person's game, and we beat Allant, will he be dead in my game too?

I'm not quite clear on it. Anyway, I threw down my blue stone and waited for a long time and nobody came to help.

I'm around level 102 now, so if there's anyone that has poison cloud and is willing to spare the time to help me, please add me to your friend's list and send me a PM (to coordinate). I'll probably be on later tonight.

I don't think I'm able to kill him melee, he's just too fast for me, and my character isn't very strong (I did the assassin's build thing). I got him down to about 25% of health and just couldn't do it again.

My PSN ID is jh6269.


If you're in soul form, the blue stone will only allow you to go into someone else's game to assist as a blue phantom. When you're in body form, you'll have to summon a blue phantom by activating one of the blue soul marks you see on the ground (if you see one).

The problem you have with summoning help is that you're in one of the most likely worlds to be invaded (1-4), at your current soul level. guardian_owl gave you some good advice. Don't play the entire level prior to the boss in body form. Go most of the way in soul form and then switch to body form and pray that you find a blue sign somewhere close. You still might get invaded, but that'll help.

If you have the White Bow or (preferably) the Sticky Compound Long Bow +X (and the stats to deal a bit of damage with it), then grab about 200 heavy arrows and walk just inside the fog door (so not to alert the Old King to your presence). Do NOT use the Lava Bow or he'll notice more quickly that he's being hit with arrows and will move away faster. Stand there, manually aim, and just chip away at his health. At some point (trust me), he'll move away a bit so there's some guesswork involved with aiming the closer you get to killing him.

Yeah, that's a cheap ranged strategy, but that guy is a melee bitch. It only took getting soulsuckered twice for me to readily dismiss any notion of "honorably" killing that guy.

#3220 guardian_owl

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 07:05 PM

Well, I think I'm pretty much SOL b/c I only have God's Wrath, Death Cloud, Evacuate, Soul Ray and Flame (similar to soul ray). I killed all of the NPCs so I can't switch my magic anymore.

So, how do I do the blue eyed stone? I was able to throw it down in soul form, I guess that allow others to get into my game. So if I go into body form and go into another person's game, and we beat Allant, will he be dead in my game too?

I'm not quite clear on it. Anyway, I threw down my blue stone and waited for a long time and nobody came to help.

I'm around level 102 now, so if there's anyone that has poison cloud and is willing to spare the time to help me, please add me to your friend's list and send me a PM (to coordinate). I'll probably be on later tonight.

I don't think I'm able to kill him melee, he's just too fast for me, and my character isn't very strong (I did the assassin's build thing). I got him down to about 25% of health and just couldn't do it again.

My PSN ID is jh6269.

When you drop a blue-eyed stone in soul form your marking appears in the game of every player who is a certain soul range, is in body form, and is connected to the internet. The person in body form can look at the blue-eyed stone sign and then summon you in soul form to help them.

Conversely, when you are in body form and connected to the internet as you travel through the level you can look for other players who have dropped their blue-eyed stone. Touch them and you summon them to your world to assist you. It's explained pretty well in this video by Atlus, eye-stone bit starts at 2:10.

I've got a mage character I'm running through the game with currently, what's your SL and perhaps I can enter your game to assist you?

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#3221 Ace_Defective

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 07:55 PM

After months of playing I finally got my Platinum this afternoon(without cheating). So far this is the only PS3 game that I ever wanted to bother with the whole trophy thing.

#3222 jh6269

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 03:08 AM

I've got a mage character I'm running through the game with currently, what's your SL and perhaps I can enter your game to assist you?


Thanks for your help, I may need it later... I was able to use the technique that SteelSD mentioned.

#3223 jh6269

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 03:15 AM

If you're in soul form, the blue stone will only allow you to go into someone else's game to assist as a blue phantom. When you're in body form, you'll have to summon a blue phantom by activating one of the blue soul marks you see on the ground (if you see one).

The problem you have with summoning help is that you're in one of the most likely worlds to be invaded (1-4), at your current soul level. guardian_owl gave you some good advice. Don't play the entire level prior to the boss in body form. Go most of the way in soul form and then switch to body form and pray that you find a blue sign somewhere close. You still might get invaded, but that'll help.

If you have the White Bow or (preferably) the Sticky Compound Long Bow +X (and the stats to deal a bit of damage with it), then grab about 200 heavy arrows and walk just inside the fog door (so not to alert the Old King to your presence). Do NOT use the Lava Bow or he'll notice more quickly that he's being hit with arrows and will move away faster. Stand there, manually aim, and just chip away at his health. At some point (trust me), he'll move away a bit so there's some guesswork involved with aiming the closer you get to killing him.

Yeah, that's a cheap ranged strategy, but that guy is a melee bitch. It only took getting soulsuckered twice for me to readily dismiss any notion of "honorably" killing that guy.


Oh man, you're a lifesaver, thanks for the help. I have the Sticky Compound Long Bow +5, and I was able to do exactly what you said. He did move back a bit, and I didn't even need to adjust my aim, and was able to kill him in no-time.

I don't think it's cheap at all--if you're an assassin, you have to use any technique at your disposal to kill your adversary.

I wore the ring of Avarice when I killed Old King Allant, and I ended up with almost 150,000 souls after defeating him. I was on pins and needles trying to get to Phalanx so I could use the souls to level up my character.

Anyway, thanks everyone for all your help. What a freaking awesome game--it's so rewarding when you're able to get past these kinds of situations.
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#3224 lokizz

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 03:28 AM

what are the benefits of going through as a wanderer?

#3225 jh6269

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 01:54 PM

According to the Wiki:
Wanderer A lightly equipped soldier that continues an aimless journey. They have especially high dexterity and are skilled at using a curved sword. They also have high luck, but because their initial equipment is shabby, they are weak to attacks.

There's a more detailed page with the Pros and Cons.

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 02:25 PM

Guess it's a bit late now, but for anyone else reading this:

I had a mage character, but Old King was a bit too fast typically to hit with soul ray or any of my normal spells, so I had to melee him (which I wasn't great at, since I typically used magic for everything). I found that using a spear (mine was a +5 moon spear, I think) made it pretty easy, due to the huge range on the thrusts. Just wait for him to charge, dodge, R2 thrust, and start over. Not too bad at all.

#3227 guardian_owl

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 02:58 PM

Basically all the character classes are is starting packets. As you prepare to enter the game God tells you "Here are 10 backpacks filled with different starting equipment and slightly different skill allocations, pick one please. Umbassa." Unlike in other RPGs, picking a class doesn't lock you into a certain style of play. A Thief can become a Great Sword wielding tank just as efficiently as a Knight or a Barbarian

Here is the link to the various classes skill allocations and each class page describes the starting equipment.
http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/classes

If you wanted to wield straight swords (usually swung horizontally or stabbing), axes, and hammers; a character class focused on strength at the start will give you a leg-up at the start.
If you wanted to wield Asian-style swords like katanas (which swing a bit quicker and typically diagonal slashes), bows, or want to go for backstabs with a dagger; a class more focused on dexterity at start will give you a leg-up at the start.
If you are more a fan of polearms like staff weapons and spears; a character class pretty evenly split between STR and Dex at the start might be more up your alley.
If you intend to be a mage; a character class focused on magic and intelligence will give you a leg-up at the start
If you intend to be a holy man and make Faith based miracles and weapons your primary attack; a character class focused on faith will give you a leg-up at the start.
Then are are a few character classes which are mixtures of various playstyles for those who want to be a jack of all trades.

Basically it boils down to which class do you want to use to clear the first level, because after that the world is opened up and you have easy access to a vast array of different weapons and equipment to change to a new build type if you wish.

If you intended to wield a blueblood sword (crafted from the Valley of Defilement's final boss's soul) as your primary weapon a wander would be a decent choice for its high luck as that sword is the only one in the game which its damage is affected by luck. A higher starting luck will also mean enemies will drop items and stones (used for weapon crafting) more frequently which can be helpful in the beginning when you have to ration healing items due to lack of souls.

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 09:38 PM

According to the Wiki:
Wanderer A lightly equipped soldier that continues an aimless journey. They have especially high dexterity and are skilled at using a curved sword. They also have high luck, but because their initial equipment is shabby, they are weak to attacks.

There's a more detailed page with the Pros and Cons.



ill check out that wiki then . damn this game is cheap but not hard. ive been on the first damn level for 2 hours now its very hard to get the pary timing right against the bigger knights and one in particular is very cheap and takes pretty much all my health with one hit.

#3229 jacknicklson

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 09:52 PM

It's definitely not cheap

#3230 Ace_Defective

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 10:08 PM

Yeah, the game is not cheap.
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If you stick with it, and learn from your mistakes, you will eventually be able to breeze through 1-1 naked with bare fists.;)

#3231 lokizz

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 10:24 PM

Yeah, the game is not cheap.

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If you stick with it, and learn from your mistakes, you will eventually be able to breeze through 1-1 naked with bare fists.;)



i thought so but i came close to beating him the other day even parried him once and atacked but the bastard survived it. oh well since i know i can come back later ill do that and save myself a broken controller. btw in that same level theres an area with
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Posted 23 August 2010 - 10:31 PM

i thought so but i came close to beating him the other day even parried him once and atacked but the bastard survived it. oh well since i know i can come back later ill do that and save myself a broken controller. btw in that same level theres an area with

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Also, dodging is generally much easier/better than parrying. Just dodge and counter. Regarding your spoiler, don't go in there - it's a trap.

#3233 Jam424

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 10:40 PM

Still stuck on my 2nd playthrough. SL 100 now and can't beat the False King

#3234 lokizz

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 10:46 PM

Also, dodging is generally much easier/better than parrying. Just dodge and counter. Regarding your spoiler, don't go in there - it's a trap.


im good with dodging and parrying the lesser enemies its those big bastards that throw me off. its a good game though more challenging than alot of the games ive played.

#3235 mguiddy

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 11:20 PM

i thought so but i came close to beating him the other day even parried him once and atacked but the bastard survived it. oh well since i know i can come back later ill do that and save myself a broken controller. btw in that same level theres an area with

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 12:17 AM

i thought so but i came close to beating him the other day even parried him once and atacked but the bastard survived it. oh well since i know i can come back later ill do that and save myself a broken controller. btw in that same level theres an area with

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Just use the Game FAQs method:
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I used this technique to grind at the beginning to be able to afford the weapons I needed to be able to get past the beginning of the game.

If you just have to fight him melee, I usually dodge when he lunges at me, then I stick him with my spear. He'll give you around 2000 souls, so it's pretty sweet when you're just starting out.

Also, the game isn't cheap, you just have to know the tricks.

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 12:23 AM

I have a question about New Game+. I want to level my character up so that he can wear some of the Fancy Armor that I got through my first play-though. So if I level up my equipment capacity and strength, will it have any negative effects on my ability to use bows and magic?
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#3238 lokizz

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 01:57 AM

yeah ok i think im getting the hang of things now. just finished the first boss but gt my ass handed to me by a damn
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. and now that i know that knight is worth so much im gonna go kill his ass lol. this game is really fun kind of like playing one of those old choose your own adventure books.

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 02:09 AM

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FYI, if you do not yet have the Mausoleum key (gained from a sidequest), then there is no point in killing the Red Eyed knight in the first level as without that key it is a dead end.

By far the first part of the game is the hardest as you start off with very little equipment and instruction and you have to train yourself how to survive. Once the first level is done and you can level up and spread out to get better equipment, things become more manageable.
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Leveling up before you move on has no negative effects, nothing changes for the player in the jump from NG to NG+, it's only the environment around you (enemies do more damage, have more HP, etc.) which changes. Leveling up one skill never takes away from the effectiveness of another skill.
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My mage is in the lower soul level range of 100, if you want to friend me on PSN (if you play online that is) I'll try and give you a hand the next time we're both online. At the very least I can keep him distracted a bit.

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#3240 guardian_owl

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 02:16 AM

yeah ok i think im getting the hang of things now. just finished the first boss but gt my ass handed to me by a damn

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. and now that i know that knight is worth so much im gonna go kill his ass lol. this game is really fun kind of like playing one of those old choose your own adventure books.

Congrats, you might consider moving on and playing one of the other 4 worlds before moving further in world 1 as the next boss in World 1 is pretty tough for someone first starting out.

On lots of the games the pattern is first world is the most difficult, then world 2 is the most difficult, then world 3, etc. But in Demon's Souls, the first levels of the 5 worlds are all approximately the same difficulty. The second levels of each world are approximately the same difficulties, etc. So often it is recommended to new players to beat the first level of all 5 worlds (or at least a few of them) before moving on to the second level of any of the worlds. Then the second level of all the worlds before moving onto the 3rd level of any of the worlds, etc.

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