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#61 RAMSTORIA

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 12:41 AM

Completely agree with all of this. I would drop Rice immediately. Even when he comes back, he won't be last year's version of Sidney Rice. Not worth holding up a roster spot all season waiting for him to get back up to speed.

I'm going to stay far away from VJax in my draft this Saturday. I know he could pay big dividends and be a great value pick at some point this season, especially for owners able to grab him in later rounds, but I don't want the anxiety of wondering what his status will be.


Thanks for the suggestions, guys. Definitely gives me some things to think about. My point of comfort is that my starting RBs are Frank Gore and Steven Jackson, so hopefully neither of them gets injured.


if you have an IR spot i would use it for rice until someone more crucial gets hurt (knock on wood), sometimes it takes a few days for a player to show IR eligible. if you dont have an IR spot then i agree with the drop.

VJax is still going WAY too high from what ive seen, theres no guarantee the guy will even play this year, definitely stay away unless something changes in the next couple days.

I am going to be in three leagues this year, my one running league from the last 7 years and 2 new ones with some crazy point rules.

Now, in recent years I've grown accustomed to having a middle-end pick and I've had great success. Now I find myself actually loathing having #1 pick. Last time I had that was when LT was the man and broke down after two record setting years. I'm just about certain it will be Chris Johnson, even though I fell in love with Ray Rice last year after stealing him at 6th round. (Quick side note for ZForce - keep Celek, he had great rapport in the few games last year with Kolb, he was my 11th round sleeper).

So, my wrap around pick will be #24. I'm hoping Ryan Grant would be hanging around, but I'm guessing not. I would expect Roddy White, maybe Brandon Marshall....I don't know. I really don't like a lot of the guys ranked overall around that number. Some good steals in the middle rounds to be had I think.....anyone else get into this predicament?


grant almost certainly wont be around, but theres an outside chance. in my 2 drafts so far players around there include miles austin, greg jennings, desean jackson, marques colston, jamaal charles, cedric benson... id go with the best WR you can grab at that spot for sure, then take your pick of a RB, WR or top QB.

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 01:27 AM

I'm mock drafting now and finding a huge drop off in WR quality past that point. I think I have to go WR-WR. There are RB's to be stolen later and QB's

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 04:43 AM

Wound up with the following roster after letting Yahoo's autodraft do the work since I was stuck actually at work.

QB Aaron Rodgers
WR Reggie Wayne
WR TJ Houshsomethingorother
WR Mike Wallace
RB LeSean McCoy
RB Jonathan Stewart
TE Dallas Clark
DEF New York Jets
K Nate Kaeding

BN Michael Bush - RB
BN Vince Young - QB
BN Lee Evans - WR
BN Eddie Royal - WR
BN John Kasay - K
BN Marcades Lewis - TE

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I just want to sell out my funeral.

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 04:54 AM

Trade help needed asap. Background before the trade, my draft was before the Rice injury news so he was one of my starting WR. My next best option after Moss is Meachem.

I get Steve Smith (Panthers), Best, Carlson and I give up Witten, Felix Jones, Breaston.

Thoughts?

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 09:59 PM

Trade help needed asap. Background before the trade, my draft was before the Rice injury news so he was one of my starting WR. My next best option after Moss is Meachem.

I get Steve Smith (Panthers), Best, Carlson and I give up Witten, Felix Jones, Breaston.

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I hate it. Essentially downgrading TE (albeit one that is due for a season-crushing injury) and evening everything else out. Best will split carries (in some form) with K Smith, just like Jones and Barber - though, FJ is injury prone. While Breaston and Smith-south both have questionable QB situations. I do like Smith-south's a lot better, but I feel Breaston has a higher upside as #2 than Smith-south as #only one.

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 11:43 PM

My draft is tomorrow afternoon, and as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I'm picking 9th (out of 12). The more I think about it, the more I realize there's no way that either of the guys I really want, Michael Turner or Andre Johnson, will still be there for me.

So.... realistically, I'm probably looking at making a choice between Steven Jackson and Rashard Mendenhall for my first pick. I'll probably go for a WR in the 2nd round (16th overall), I'm thinking Miles Austin or Roddy White (assuming they're both still there) Any opinions on those options: Jackson vs. Mendenhall and/or Austin vs. White?
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Posted 27 August 2010 - 11:48 PM

My draft is tomorrow afternoon, and as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I'm picking 9th (out of 12). The more I think about it, the more I realize there's no way that either of the guys I really want, Michael Turner or Andre Johnson, will still be there for me.

So.... realistically, I'm probably looking at making a choice between Steven Jackson and Rashard Mendenhall for my first pick. I'll probably go for a WR in the 2nd round (16th overall), I'm thinking Miles Austin or Roddy White (assuming they're both still there) Any opinions on those options: Jackson vs. Mendenhall and/or Austin vs. White?


honestly, between jackson and mendenhall, flip a coin. jackson will likely have a more dominant role in a weak rams offense, but by the end of the year they will probably have averaged a comparable amount of points.

for the WRs id say go with Austin of the two. white was very hit or miss for me last year and youre crossing your fingers that matt ryan is out of his sophomore slump. austin on the other hand is on a high powered offense and is the top WR with one of the top QBs. even though theres a lot of weapons on the cowboys my bet is he will be more consistent and better by the end of the year.

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#68 Danimal

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 11:55 PM

Yeah, I'm leaning towards Austin myself. I picked him up as a free agent last year, and obviously he was huge for me. I've actually got him ranked 2nd at WR on my own personal cheat-sheet, with White 3rd (I think Moss is going too high this year) I just have a feeling about Ryan and the Falcons this year that makes me think White is going to be a monster. Austin is probably the safer pick, though.

I agree about Jackson-Mendenhall, too. I'm a Steelers fan, and I always have a little hesitance about picking Steelers, wondering if it's a head pick or a heart pick. I think that one will depend on my mood, or maybe whatever other feedback the question gets here.
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#69 Kilraven

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 12:19 AM

SJax and White.

Austin is going too high in the draft for what he did last year. Remember, after doing 400+ yds in his two break out games, he quickly came back down to earth - same time Williams started picking it up. However, I do concede he did me right in the playoffs. Nonetheless, I don't think he's going to put up the magic numbers he did the last half. The 'boys look as if they're taking a piece from the Saint's book - give Romo as many targets as he can throw to. While that might not mean Williams as much as Witten, Bryant, and Jones. With White, you atleast know what you're going to get. He's been consistent the past two years.

As for SJax, I like what I seen out of Bradford. That should equal to a better run game than many anticipated, and he'll get decent passes to him. Rashad is close behind, but the Steelers passing game this year has some uncertainity (besides Ben gone for 6).

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 06:33 PM

Get C.Ochocincco
C.Johnson
R.Rice
Those 3 are on my team.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 06:38 PM

Get C.Ochocincco
C.Johnson
R.Rice
Those 3 are on my team.

How did you get Johnson and Rice?
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#72 Danimal

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 06:42 PM

From last year's thread....

Note to self- next season, listen to Kilraven's advice. If I'd set my lineup this way, it would have been smooth sailing to the championship. Instead, I went with MJD and Benson, and Minnesota, and I lost by 20. :wall: Never thought the Vikings D would get pushed around like that.


From yesterday....

SJax and White.

Austin is going too high in the draft for what he did last year. Remember, after doing 400+ yds in his two break out games, he quickly came back down to earth - same time Williams started picking it up. However, I do concede he did me right in the playoffs. Nonetheless, I don't think he's going to put up the magic numbers he did the last half. The 'boys look as if they're taking a piece from the Saint's book - give Romo as many targets as he can throw to. While that might not mean Williams as much as Witten, Bryant, and Jones. With White, you atleast know what you're going to get. He's been consistent the past two years.

As for SJax, I like what I seen out of Bradford. That should equal to a better run game than many anticipated, and he'll get decent passes to him. Rashad is close behind, but the Steelers passing game this year has some uncertainity (besides Ben gone for 6).

:-k Now the only question is: Am I smart enough to listen to my own good advice about taking good advice?
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Posted 28 August 2010 - 06:51 PM

Or are you crazy enough to listen to a man predicting fantasy value during the preseason? ;)

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 07:23 PM

Dude, don't backpedal on me now! :lol:
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#75 RAMSTORIA

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 08:01 PM

How did you get Johnson and Rice?


im assuming its calvin johnson, not chris johnson

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 08:28 PM

im assuming its calvin johnson, not chris johnson

Good point. I think I've overstudied leading up to my draft today; my head is swimming with so many names I somehow forgot all about Calvin. #-o
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#77 Kilraven

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:08 PM

All right Dan, I won't back pedal now - I'm not sure I'd trust Calvin as an elite WR this year... yet. Last year he was injured so much he was dropped in one of my leagues in week 8. Yes, of course I picked him up; however, he was nothing more than a situational receiver for two games (if memory serves me right, it could've been only one). So is it going to be a repeat of 08 or 09? Not sure if I'd chance a 2nd pick on that question.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 11:29 PM

I've been playing more and more with mock drafts. It's hard since the other people in the room all have their own varying strategies. This was one I did this morning and was happy with:
(#1 overall pick, wrap-around style)

1. Chris Johnson (Ten - RB)
2. Marques Colston (NO - WR)
3. DeSean Jackson (Phi - WR)
4. Jason Witten (Dal - TE)
5. Joseph Addai (Ind - RB)
6. Joe Flacco (Bal - QB)
7. Matt Forte (Chi - RB)
8. Carson Palmer (Cin - QB)
9. Kenny Britt (Ten - WR)
10. New Orleans (NO - DEF)
11. Anthony Gonzalez (Ind - WR)
12. Greg Olsen (Chi - TE)
13. Sebastian Janikowski (Oak - K)
14. Montario Hardesty (Cle - RB)
15. Dexter McCluster (KC - WR,RB)

So far, my strategy has been Chris Johnson at #1 obviously, and then when I hit picks 24-25 I have been going WR-WR. I do this because the top RB's that are left are usually Benson, Pierre Thomas, Jamaal Charles, Jonathan Stewart. I feel like the WR quality drops off after the early to mid 30 overall picks and I don't come up until 48-49. So in this place I can usually get a combination of Boldin, Jennings, Colston, Desean Jackson.

Long wait until my next picks and I'm forced to decide between my second RB, my starting QB and TE. I was happy to accept Addai at this spot, and snatched up Witten. Other times in this spot I've reached on Forte, Foster, Forsett (whom I still like) or picked up Rivers. Favre is usually hanging around here, but I think Flacco is a sleeper.

Generally, I'm all over the board after this. Sometimes I can get Flacco in 6-7 or even 8-9. Forsett has dropped down draft boards. I've been snatching up guys like Greg Olsen, Donnie Avery and Jabar Gaffney in the late rounds.

What do you guys think of this strategy?

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 11:51 PM

Well, don't bother picking up Avery now. ;)

That's a solid draft. Britt and A.Gonzalez are medium risks with very high rewards. Drafted Britt, too, but dumped him after he showed up out of shape and struggling to get the #3 slot.

I think it's a solid strategy. I not a begin fan of getting the 1-2 slot myself, though. Too much fear of getting that stud RB and watching him get that nightmare injury. I like the mid-range - pick up RB (Benson, SJax, etc.), snag a top QB (Rodgers, Manning, Brady, etc.), then snag that WR1. If I can't get that WR1, then I get the top possession receiver I can - think Ward or Welker. I figure after that, I'm going to upgrade later in the season via trades or waiver wire.

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 01:54 AM

All right Dan, I won't back pedal now - I'm not sure I'd trust Calvin as an elite WR this year... yet. Last year he was injured so much he was dropped in one of my leagues in week 8. Yes, of course I picked him up; however, he was nothing more than a situational receiver for two games (if memory serves me right, it could've been only one). So is it going to be a repeat of 08 or 09? Not sure if I'd chance a 2nd pick on that question.

No, I wasn't looking at Calvin, I just mixed him up with Chris Johnson on another post. I was stuck between Austin and White for my 2nd pick, but in the end, I went RB-RB. Austin ended up going R2-10 (23rd) and White went R3-1 (25th). Here's how my draft went:

R1- (9) Steven Jackson (RB)
R2- (16) Rashard Mendenhall (RB)
R3- (33) Marques Colston (WR)
R4- (40) Philip Rivers (QB)
R5- (57) Hakeem Nicks (WR)
R6- (64) Mike Wallace (WR)
R7- (81) Arian Foster (RB)
R8- (88) Zach Miller (OAK-TE)
R9- (105) Chad Henne (QB)
R10- (112) Miami DST
R11- (129) Clinton Portis (RB)
R12- (136) Jabar Gaffney (WR)
R13- (153) San Diego DST
R14- (160) Dan Carpenter (K)
R15- (177) Devin Thomas (WR)
R16- (184) Tashard Choice (RB)

I like some parts of my team, and am less crazy about others. I got on the wrong side of panic runs on QBs, TEs, and DSTs, so I picked a bit lower than I wanted to on each of those. I also had guys I was targeting, like C.J. Spiller, Malcolm Floyd, and the San Fran DST all go one pick ahead of me, so that was frustrating. Overall, I'm OK with it.
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Posted 29 August 2010 - 02:38 PM

I like it. I think Portis could be a sleeper if he stays healthy. With McNabb they should have a decent run game.

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 06:00 PM

well, i have a well known reputation in my main league as the guy that trades. i have 2-3 trades every year while most teams have 0-1. i just did my first trade of the season, and actually this is the first time ive ever done a trade before the season started.

I sent Pierre Thomas and Pierre Garcon and in return got Matt Forte and Dwayne Bowe.

im really counting on forte coming back to his rookie form, and like what ive seen from him this pre season. bowe and garcon both would have been on the bench for me as 3rd/4th receivers, so not a big deal there. and im not sold on thomas with the saints RBBC.

i actually just proposed a trade Dwayne Bowe for Reggie Bush (i know i know, just said i dont trust the saints RBBC). but i need another back up RB and and Bush has value as a kick returner and would only start on bye weeks or if someone got injured. my RBs right now are Gore, Forte, Foster (HOU), and i have Westbrook as a handcuff.

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 09:17 PM

A lot of risk, but a very high reward if Martz is sincere in getting Forte back into the game. Personally, I'm not seeing you take too great a hit at RB giving up the Cruiser, since you have Gore and Foster. Hell, just keep an eye on Ivory - looks to be Bell's replacement in that committee.

Addendum: My current deep RB sleeper is Kareem Huggins for Tampa. The kid came out of no where and has essentially kicked Ward to the 3rd back - also know as "About to be cut" - while earning the #2 back. When Caddy gets hurt - not a question of if - he may not give the starting role back.

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 09:24 PM

A lot of risk, but a very high reward if Martz is sincere in getting Forte back into the game. Personally, I'm not seeing you take too great a hit at RB giving up the Cruiser, since you have Gore and Foster. Hell, just keep an eye on Ivory - looks to be Bell's replacement in that committee.


yeah, im trusting Martz a lot here. but if worst comes to worse i can start Steve Smith (NYG) as my flex instead of Forte and it wouldn't be a disaster. My WR now are Jennings (GB), Floyd (SD), Smith and Bowe (KC). If Vincent Jackson makes a decision and comes back in a few weeks it could hurt me, but im counting on a long hold out.

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 09:40 PM

Had my annual draft party yesterday and got to show off my new championship ring to the other saps. YES we play for a real Jostens fantasy championship ring, plus cash... Keeper league so 24 guys are off the board at draft start (8 each qb,rb,wr). You have to carry this exact amount at each position and limited to 3 drop/adds after week one so draft is everything. I had the 6th pick out of 8 since we do reverse regular season draft order of previous year.

TQB Falcons TQB (keeper)<- hated to see Warner retire!
RB Chris Johnson
(keeper)
RB Rashard Mendenhall
WR/TE Reggie Wayne (keeper)
WR/TE DeSean Jackson
WR/TE Michael Crabtree
D/ST Bears D/ST
K Nate Kaeding

BE Vikings TQB
BE Giants TQB
BE Ryan Mathews
BE LaDainian Tomlinson
BE Arian Foster
BE Percy Harvin
BE Jeremy Maclin
BE Kenny Britt
BE Devin Aromashodu
BE Chargers D/ST
BE Neil Rackers

I was a pick or two away from my guy all day. Nobody I targeted as the draft progressed fell to me but I was surprised Mendenhall fell #6 overall behind guys like Green, Pierre Thomas and BEANIE Wells. Everyone else was hard after WR so I had to take Desean Jackson in 2nd and then surprised Mathews lasted to 3rd round. My day was RUINED though when Schaub went the pick before me in 3rd to back up his keeper Romo/fuck me up because everyone knew I was targeting him as I had no real qb. Wasn't worried about not getting him as everyone else had legit studs except for the guy who has Philly and is convinved he'll be MVP material this year.


Highlight of the draft was guy took Sidney Rice in 3rd round..... Then several rounds later I draft Percy Harvin and he yells out HAHAHA I already drafted him nice pick! He thought he drafted Percy in 3rd round instead of Rice, he said wrong name. LOL that's classic, Sid Rice sticker and everything on the board and his paper said Rice. Same guy who take Pierre in 1st and Best in 2nd, you know THAT guy... :D

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 09:59 PM

I tried to snatch up Forte before the draft but the guy was hanging on tight since he was his keeper. I'm also looking for a nice year from him...

Same clown from my post above then decided to trade him and his last pick for 7th&8th round picks in the above draft (johnny knox and Cotchery).... I was floored as was everyone else.... He was stoked on the idea of back to back picks 2 rounds in a row...

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 10:12 PM

Had my annual draft party yesterday and got to show off my new championship ring to the other saps. YES we play for a real Jostens fantasy championship ring, plus cash... Keeper league so 24 guys are off the board at draft start (8 each qb,rb,wr). You have to carry this exact amount at each position and limited to 3 drop/adds after week one so draft is everything. I had the 6th pick out of 8 since we do reverse regular season draft order of previous year.

TQB Falcons TQB (keeper)<- hated to see Warner retire!
RB Chris Johnson
(keeper)
RB Rashard Mendenhall
WR/TE Reggie Wayne (keeper)
WR/TE DeSean Jackson
WR/TE Michael Crabtree
D/ST Bears D/ST
K Nate Kaeding

BE Vikings TQB
BE Giants TQB
BE Ryan Mathews
BE LaDainian Tomlinson
BE Arian Foster
BE Percy Harvin
BE Jeremy Maclin
BE Kenny Britt
BE Devin Aromashodu
BE Chargers D/ST
BE Neil Rackers

I was a pick or two away from my guy all day. Nobody I targeted as the draft progressed fell to me but I was surprised Mendenhall fell #6 overall behind guys like Green, Pierre Thomas and BEANIE Wells. Everyone else was hard after WR so I had to take Desean Jackson in 2nd and then surprised Mathews lasted to 3rd round. My day was RUINED though when Schaub went the pick before me in 3rd to back up his keeper Romo/fuck me up because everyone knew I was targeting him as I had no real qb. Wasn't worried about not getting him as everyone else had legit studs except for the guy who has Philly and is convinved he'll be MVP material this year.


Highlight of the draft was guy took Sidney Rice in 3rd round..... Then several rounds later I draft Percy Harvin and he yells out HAHAHA I already drafted him nice pick! He thought he drafted Percy in 3rd round instead of Rice, he said wrong name. LOL that's classic, Sid Rice sticker and everything on the board and his paper said Rice. Same guy who take Pierre in 1st and Best in 2nd, you know THAT guy... :D


god damn, you got the keeper team. lots of young talent on there. thats an interesting set up though, only 2 rbs and 3 wr/te spots. lots of trade bait there with foster and mathews.

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 10:18 PM

I guess I want to know who he snagged in those slots.

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 10:53 PM

I had my draft this past weekend for my 14 team IDP league and ended up with a pretty good squad overall, but am definitely a bit weak at running back. I have two starting spots for these 4 backs: Jonathan Stewart, Knowshon Moreno, LT, and Ricky Williams.

I have Aaron Rodgers, 3 top Wrs, a strong IDP squad, Jets D, and pretty good back-ups.

With my less than stellar choices at running back would anyone suggest picking up one of these guys off the wire (would dump Laurent Robinson) to shore up my choices: Larry Johnson, Leon Washington, Kevin Smith, or Marshawn Lynch. There are a few other guys, but those 4 are probably the best of what's left.
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Posted 30 August 2010 - 10:57 PM

Washington and Smith are about it. I just don't see LJ or Lynch getting any carries.