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#421 ITDEFX

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 11:45 PM

Blake was not a worthy successor...the idea that "anyone" can be Batman was just bullshit.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 12:26 AM

I thought he was a pretty good choice.



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Posted 12 August 2012 - 12:35 AM

I thought he was a pretty good choice.


How?

What did he do in the movie that made him "worthy" of the mantel? You gotta do something really big to impress Batman. Trying to lead orphans across a cut off bridge or doing some side detective work doesn't mean you earn the right to wear the cape and cowl.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 12:42 AM

I think part of it was that he was an idealist and had resolute morals.



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Posted 12 August 2012 - 01:33 AM

How?

What did he do in the movie that made him "worthy" of the mantel? You gotta do something really big to impress Batman. Trying to lead orphans across a cut off bridge or doing some side detective work doesn't mean you earn the right to wear the cape and cowl.


He figured out who Batman was through not being deceived by the mask that Bruce wears. The ability to read people is something that Bruce has a problem with until he comes across Selina. Think about how many times Batman has been duped in the series. Ra, Talia, and Harvey all make Batman into a fool in some way shape or form because he can't peer into their soul and find their core being.

The core character also aligns heavily with Bruce Wayne's ideals regarding Batman. Blake is an idealist, a moralist, and highly intelligent. All of those characteristics are the foundation for Batman just as moon knight said.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 01:42 AM

Think about how many times Batman has been duped in the series. Ra, Talia, and Harvey all make Batman into a fool in some way shape or form because he can't peer into their soul and find their core being.

He also completely misreads the Joker for about 75% of the movie.

While I didn't have any particular problem with Blake figuring out the Bruce = Batman thing so easily, I still didn't like the character. The only scene of his that I actually enjoyed was him entering the cave at the end. Dropping him and Talia to give us more Selina, Bane, and Gordon would have made the movie a lot better to me.

Though I'll admit Bane's accent would have made zero fucking sense if he'd grown up in the pit. Place didn't seem like it was brimming with English fops.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 02:42 AM

He figured out who Batman was through not being deceived by the mask that Bruce wears. The ability to read people is something that Bruce has a problem with until he comes across Selina. Think about how many times Batman has been duped in the series. Ra, Talia, and Harvey all make Batman into a fool in some way shape or form because he can't peer into their soul and find their core being.

The core character also aligns heavily with Bruce Wayne's ideals regarding Batman. Blake is an idealist, a moralist, and highly intelligent. All of those characteristics are the foundation for Batman just as moon knight said.


He also completely misreads the Joker for about 75% of the movie.

While I didn't have any particular problem with Blake figuring out the Bruce = Batman thing so easily, I still didn't like the character. The only scene of his that I actually enjoyed was him entering the cave at the end. Dropping him and Talia to give us more Selina, Bane, and Gordon would have made the movie a lot better to me.

Though I'll admit Bane's accent would have made zero fucking sense if he'd grown up in the pit. Place didn't seem like it was brimming with English fops.


I think part of it was that he was an idealist and had resolute morals.


You guys bring up some good points. I am sure everyone here agrees that the Blake's "that look" line was just ugh. Bruce has done a pretty good job keeping his secret from everyone..except for telling Dawes in the first movie.. Blake could have easily been working for the league to draw out Bruce and take him out. That car scene , Blake could have shot Bruce and then that's the end of him. There were times I wish it was the kid from the first movie whom batman gave his para-scope thing to. It would have been neat if Blake gave Bruce back the device he gave him years ago.

I don't think he was that intelligent though. Anyone could have had good morals, but basically throughout the movie he did some basic researching and had a lot of luck on his side. What are the chances of Blake finding Gordon at the right time and exit point when Bane's men shot his leg?

Also, does anyone think the "Pit" wasn't the worse place on earth? I don't recall anyone suffering...except for Bruce who just did some work outs and fixed his body to try to escape from the pit. No one beat the crap out of him nor did he have to fight some huge brute every day. He was like "I'm gonna get out of here....", tries and eventually gets out. He just throws the rope back down and free's whatever is not suppose to get out into the world.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 03:08 AM

There were times I wish it was the kid from the first movie whom batman gave his para-scope thing to. It would have been neat if Blake gave Bruce back the device he gave him years ago.

Actually, until he mentioned being an orphan, that's who I thought it was going to be.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 04:52 AM

Actually, until he mentioned being an orphan, that's who I thought it was going to be.

There's no way Joffrey from Game of Thrones is going to be Robin.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 01:26 PM

He was sure quick to hook up with Selina rather than finding someone else. Yeah...like that relationship is gonna last.


well, I would have married her after just sitting there watching the movie, so I can't say I blame Bruce there.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 03:16 PM

You guys are really over analyzing a movie about Batman.


That just happens with every movie with a lot of people. I pretty much quit taking one of my ex-girlfriends to movies as she'd nit pick the hell out of everything afterwards. Movies are just entertainment for me, and I want to shut off my mind that's exhausted from work and sit back and enjoy. :D

Just because he was done,it doesn't mean he didn't want a sucessor.


Agreed. I think he realized Gotham would always need Batman. But he'd given enough to the city and it was time for someone else to step up.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:38 AM

That just happens with every movie with a lot of people. I pretty much quit taking one of my ex-girlfriends to movies as she'd nit pick the hell out of everything afterwards. Movies are just entertainment for me, and I want to shut off my mind that's exhausted from work and sit back and enjoy. :D



Agreed. I think he realized Gotham would always need Batman. But he'd given enough to the city and it was time for someone else to step up.


But see he's better off as a cop than as the new batman. If he grew up to study to become a police officer, then he respects the law. Batman went above the law to get the job done. Nothing happened to Blake that said "OH MY GOD I MUST HAVE REVENGE!!!"
Bruce is taking a BIG risk tossing the mantel of the batman over to him. What if Blake doesn't want to be the next Batman? Again he just doesn't seem worthy of being the new Batman. He doesn't have the LoS training, he doesn't seem driven like Bruce was. He doesn't have direct access to Bruce's money. Everything went to pay off Bruce's debts and the rest went to Alfred. Fox now has to rebuild Wayne Enterprises or sell it off.....but then again they should have been able to prove that it was Bane who screwed things up so in the end Wayne should have not have had been in debt.

Gordon should still have been in trouble for keeping the death of Dent a secret all those years. I am surprised that the citizens of Gotham didn't demand his resignation.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 01:23 AM

Blake saw the corruption in the Gotham PD during his years there (just not shown fully in movie). He saw things weren't getting done through the system and went to Bruce as he know Batman was needed The military not letting the leave the city etc.

He had plenty of reasons to be jaded with the system in my view. But again I mostly just sit back and enjoy movies (especially comic movies and other lighter fare) rather than analyze things to death.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 01:42 AM

So I picked up a few more things from the 3rd viewing.
-It seems like everyone's acting in this movie is different than their personalities from the first two.

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-Bruce sure does go thru several hairstyles throughout the movie.
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-Took 8 years for Alferd to give Bruce that lecture and mentioning Rachel?
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-No explanation for why Selina put on the suit?
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-No cats in the movie ?
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-Gordon being so stupid to keep that confession on him at all times to where Bane gets a hold of it.
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-No one punishing Gordon at the end for the coverup and allowing him to keep his job.
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-Still don't see a valid reason for Blake to quit the force.
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-Bruce learning to fly and fix the Bat SO QUICKLY.
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-Selina learning how to operate the Batpod and use it so effectively.
-So many WE tumblers (armed) and no one put two and to together connecting them and Batman's tumbler?
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-The government not doing much except sending in the SF.
-Everyone in Blackgate instantly supporting Bane and his army and the decision to stay inside Gotham rather than trying to escape from the bomb.
-The entire population of Gotham still well fed and healthy even after being cut off from the rest of the world.
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-Selina knowing exactly where bruce and bane where and just in time to save his ass seconds from having his face blown off.
-Batman walking thru the front door and into a Bane's trap....Batman doesn't trust anyone and he just walks with Catwoman into Bane's trap.
-Bruce just forgiving and forgetting Catwoman's set up. This really bothered me. He just let it go even though her actions, caused Wayne to go broke, set him up into Bane's trap which caused Bane to beat the shit out of him and then having him spend the next 6 months in that hell hole pit...man I would be pissed at that and the only thing that would drive me to live would be revenge against her. I'd kill her when I got back to gotham.
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-Not one of Bane's thugs recognizes Bruce when he allowed himself to be captured. Bane's army knows who Bruce/Batman is!!!
-Where the hell was Afred all this time??!?!?
-Bruce installed a computer terminal but never fully developed the batcave?
-Bane's excommunication from the league of shadows by RAG. What exactly did Bane do to piss off Raz?
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-So Bane was Talia's protector and lover when she was a child in the pit? ummm...creepy.
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-If you have been kicked out of the league, why bother trying to carry out the mission of the former leader (to destroy gotham)?
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-Instead of splitting the police force up to capture Bane, they focus on going after batman who in the end gives them the finger when he jumps into the Bat and flies away.
-I am still confused about that body transfer from the opening. If you watch, Bane's men brings down a body bag with a body, Bane sticks an IV into the Dr. guy and then pulls him out.... What was that about?
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-How did those guns get passed all the metal detectors in the money exchange?
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-What was Bane doing when his thugs brought Gordan?
-Batman begging for his life at the end just before Bane was going to kill him?!?!? whaa?!?!?!




The batcave was truly underused. Remember how the other movies, it had cool gadgets and computers and stuff? It would have been since to see other stuff in the cave.


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Overall, I really enjoyed this movie. Most trilogies has a tendency of falling apart on the third film, but this is far better than the failure it could've been. IMO I don't think it was as good as the Dark Knight. Dark Knight had razor sharp focus, and a story that appealing to fans and non-fans alike. I think Dark Knight Rises lost some its focus due to scope and scale of the film. The story, imo, felt a little bit too predictable for fans and could be a bit baffling for non-fans. Although Tom Hardy's interpretation of Bane's character was excellent, I felt overall that Bane was the weakest villain in all of the triology. I also felt that Talia reveal should have occurred much earlier in the film to be better developed. The ideas/plots they wanted to show in DKR was way too big for a single movie.
The major gripe I had with this movie is how underdeveloped Blake's character was. I think his transition from cop to successor wasn't at all believable. I think his character was rushed to focus in on Bruce Wayne's character.

Also, I know Christopher Nolan mentioned he won't direct the next 'Batman' movie, but with his inclusion of Robin in Dark Knight Rises does that open doors for him to direct a 'Nightwing' movie?


There's no way Joffrey from Game of Thrones is going to be Robin.

I kinda hope that the kid would become robin/nightwing/batman's successor. It would've been more meaningful, and he did live in the bad part of Gotham so it could be believable that in the course of Batman Begins - DKR he could be orphaned. Perhaps meeting Batman in Batman Begins, losing his parents in Dark Knight, and then being the cop that connects Bruce Wayne to Batman in DKR would've made a stronger 'John Blake' character. Also, I rewatched Batman Begins before watching DKR and I had no idea Joffrey was in Batman Begins.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 01:42 AM

Perhaps I missed it, but what the hell happens to the teenage girl that works with Selina? Was that Holly, or just... someone? Does she just disappear 2/3 of the way through the movie?

Gordon should still have been in trouble for keeping the death of Dent a secret all those years. I am surprised that the citizens of Gotham didn't demand his resignation.

For all we know, they did. Or they didn't care since he did the whole save the city thing. Either way, that just wasn't part of the story.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 06:13 PM

Perhaps I missed it, but what the hell happens to the teenage girl that works with Selina? Was that Holly, or just... someone? Does she just disappear 2/3 of the way through the movie?
For all we know, they did. Or they didn't care since he did the whole save the city thing. Either way, that just wasn't part of the story.


I think it was suppose to be Holly Robinson. I remembered reading about the recruitment for the part and everyone thought she was going to be robin/batgirl.

That was a real throw away character :roll:

oh why could we not have more cameos!?!?

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 04:31 PM

Ok... so I saw it for the 5th time last night..this time in a REAL IMAX Theater. Funny it was actually cheaper than a Regal or AMC IMAX ticket! BTW..those who have tickets from the mattel promo, they actually work at these museum theaters, but beware that some ticket agents don't know how to follow the instructions on the ticket!

Anyways, yes if you can get to a REAL IMAX theater, it's really worth it! From the opening scene, I felt like I was actually there in the plane or in the car. I think there were about 9-10 full IMAX scenes (scenes lasting over a minute) and there were like a dozen or so quick 1 to 2 second shots. Some scenes were in IMAX that didn't need to be in IMAX like Bruce walking down the stairs to open his own door...huh?

Some more things I picked up...

-Where the hell did Alfred get all that information about Bane? Did he google "BANE" or "The Masked Man"? I doubt he made a call to some of his overseas friends to get that information either.
-Bruce knowing about the bomb's timer when he got back to Gotham and then later asking about it? eh? (editing mistake)
-The pit did not feel like hell on earth where men were sent to suffer and die. BTW how did they get a tv signal down there? Direct tv? LOL.
-What was that castle/fortress behind the pit when Bruce escaped?
-If it was a place where some people have escaped before, wouldn't it been a good idea to place guards at the top?
-When did Batman and Catwoman agreed to meet at that location in the subway?
-Although Bane's thugs were easily taken out by Batman on the way to Bane, no one radio'ed in to alert that he was coming?
-The first Batman/Bane fight...... thoughts:
Batman started with the initial first punch. Mistake #1
While being strangled by Bane, he taunted Bane about the League. There is a pause, Bane gets pissed and brings the hurt to Batman. Mistake #2
Batman showing he is becoming desperate and tired during the fight by yelling and struggling. Also throwing smoke bombs and cutting out the lights doesn't help at all. Mistake #3
Batman not using any of his good gadgets to disable Bane in order to escape and rethink his plan of attack. Mistake #4

-Bane didn't even break a sweat during that fight.
-The military couldn't use smaller drones to watch what was going on?
-Hey what happened to Bruce's car after Selina stole it?
-At that close range Batman should have been hurt by that cannon blast to Bane.
-Bane could have survived the blast...as he was wearing some sort of body armor.
-Those tumblers could have easily have mowed down the police considering how narrow the streets were.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 03:31 AM

I just watched it for the first time at an IMAX theater. Loved it.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:01 AM

lol someone near me said "this is batman right not shakespeare?" during a bane scene