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#61 skubish

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 04:24 PM

I don't understand the hate from the CagCast on the Vita. It is really awesome. Stardust, HSG, Uncharted are all great. I guess if you guys never travel its not for you.

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#62 Thomas96

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 04:50 PM

Let's beat the vita dead horse a little more. . .

Here's my issue with Cheapy's assessment of the vita. Usually when someone purchases a devise, they have an intended purpose in mind for how and when they will use the said devise. Cheapy bought his so that he could use it for reviews/impressions only. His opinions would be different if he commuted 2 hours each day which is the Vita's target audience. It is not for a stay at home dad who leaves the house once a day to drop his kid off at school (ok. . . that was a low blow).

No one is going to use the vita as a PS3/360 substitute. . . they are going to use it when they commute or need it to kill time waiting at the DMV. A reviewer should know this and review it for its target audience. Don't get me wrong, i don't mind hearing his opinions, but it's like getting a book review from a person who hates to read.


That's a good point, like with the PS3, Cheapy buys these [Sony] products, with the primary purpose of talking about it on the show, and he's not that interested in the product. Although with the Vita, some of his gripes are legitimate imo, as some of his gripes with the PS3 were legitimate... but a lot of it was just coming from a place of pure bias.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 04:53 PM

Good podcast guys. Cheapy you shouldn't feel bad for Sony. They deserve all the criticism for making the Vita have most of the same problems that plagued the PSP.


Let's beat the vita dead horse a little more. . .

Here's my issue with Cheapy's assessment of the vita. Usually when someone purchases a devise, they have an intended purpose in mind for how and when they will use the said devise. Cheapy bought his so that he could use it for reviews/impressions only. His opinions would be different if he commuted 2 hours each day which is the Vita's target audience. It is not for a stay at home dad who leaves the house once a day to drop his kid off at school (ok. . . that was a low blow).

No one is going to use the vita as a PS3/360 substitute. . . they are going to use it when they commute or need it to kill time waiting at the DMV. A reviewer should know this and review it for its target audience. Don't get me wrong, i don't mind hearing his opinions, but it's like getting a book review from a person who hates to read.


I disagree. It seems like Cheapy's biggest issue is that there is nothing unique about the Vita that makes him want to play it. Cheapy gets his console fix from his 360/PS3 and doesn't want that same experience on the go so even if he had a 2 hour commute he still wouldn't like the Via. He would prefer to do something else during the commute that offers him a difference experience than his 360/PS3 like an iphone game or a book.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 05:02 PM

Jesus CHRIST at the salty PS3 fanboy posts. Everyone and their mother are predicting Vita to fail based off a bunch of wrongdoings from Sony, the competition with the very popular 3DS, and the whole smartphone/tablet shebang. Yet Cheapy and crew express honest and justified opinions and a bunch of people start crying?

Get the Fuck off the site, then. Calling people "fanboys" to justify your own fanboyism is more tiring then "herp derp 3 weeks of Vita negativity."


who are you ? yeah im a fanboy i have a ps3......and a wii................and im getting a 3ds...........yeah. why dont you get off the site lol wow what a fucking dumbass leave the site who the Fuck are you the cag gate keeper? that would explain why ive never seen you on here before.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 05:43 PM

Wombat, have you tried Game Dev Story yet? I can't quite get behind the hype for games like Angry Birds or Tiny Wings, though Tiny Wings I did get some enjoyment out of. But I have put way more time into Game Dev Story than I thought I ever would in a game like that.

I tried some of their other games (Hot Springs Resort and Mall Story or somethin like that) and they didn't capture the same enthusiasm I had for Game Dev Story.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:05 PM

who are you ? yeah im a fanboy i have a ps3......and a wii................and im getting a 3ds...........yeah. why dont you get off the site lol wow what a fucking dumbass leave the site who the Fuck are you the cag gate keeper? that would explain why ive never seen you on here before.


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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:25 PM

Good podcast guys. Cheapy you shouldn't feel bad for Sony. They deserve all the criticism for making the Vita have most of the same problems that plagued the PSP.




I disagree. It seems like Cheapy's biggest issue is that there is nothing unique about the Vita that makes him want to play it. Cheapy gets his console fix from his 360/PS3 and doesn't want that same experience on the go so even if he had a 2 hour commute he still wouldn't like the Via. He would prefer to do something else during the commute that offers him a difference experience than his 360/PS3 like an iphone game or a book.


You proved my point. . . he does not want a PS3-Like Experience on the train. He wants a book or a simple iphone game, therefore the PS Vita is not for him. It's like complaining that a banana is not an orange.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:37 PM

I don't have a Vita (cancelled a pre-order for wifi version), so keep that in mind. The main reason why I cancelled the pre-order is because the Vita does not appear to do anything novel. To me, it just seems to be an iteration of several devices but it doesn't seem to have any really cool new technology or novel uses of existing technology.

It may have a faster chip and better looking screen, but so what. If it wants to be a "portable console", then Sony should have made it that. If that was the intended target then I should be able to quickly and seamlessly transfer my gaming from the PS3 to the Vita and back. I travel quite a bit for my job and can't take a console with me. If I could continue playing games while I was on the road I would, most likely, buy a Vita.

This is not to say the Vita isn't enjoyable, I just don't think it has anything novel or compelling to make it a run away hit.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:18 PM

Awesome show guys! The intro is awesome.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:30 PM

The problem with the Vita isn't the device itself. It's the price you pay for what you get. The DS is around 150 and the Vita starts at 250. No matter how amazing the technology is, it's a bit much for a portable unit especially when brand new this gen consoles go from 150-250 and offer much more to a home entertainment experience. I know portable market and console market are different in the demand and accessibility. But I keep thinking about how much a price would have an impact on production of games and desire to own and use a console.

I believe the original PSP costs a good amount more than the DS when it came out, I just remember spending way too much at launch to play Lumines when my friends all had the original DS and were having a blast with those. Games were somewhat cheaper and yes it was a new way of playing games. And I think now with all the games we have on mobile devices and how the DS has evolved through what is it? 4 or 5 different variations, from what I understand all those games for the O.G. DS can be played on the newer ones. Where as Sony took a road and when they did an extreme reiteraton(PSP GO) they eliminated a whole market of people that were consumers of their product in a sense.

I honestly think price is the issue, not the games for the Vita. If the Vita was a $150, you bet your ass a lot of us would make more of a impulse buy for it. Therefore it would open a wider market for shit games that make so much money like on the DS. (all those BE A HAIRDRESSER, PONYZ, FUR REALZ games) and then it would be more of a competitor as far as a product goes.

My cousin wanted to buy the 3G Vita last week for $350. He's a compulsive spender and I just started laughing in the store when he told me this. Like really dude? Three hundred fifty dollars for THIS device? TO ME, I know it's not a fair comparison, but TO ME, it's like paying $400 for a Kindle Fire. It's just too much. The Vita is not a phone, it's not a tablet, it's a dedicated gaming device and the price of games and the system is alienating possible market expansion.

Sony has done this before too with the PS3. Wasn't the launch PS3 $500 and $600? A good $100 to $200 more than a 360 at the time? It's a cool system, but it's just too much :/


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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:53 PM

The problem with the Vita isn't the device itself. It's the price you pay for what you get. The DS is around 150 and the Vita starts at 250. No matter how amazing the technology is, it's a bit much for a portable unit especially when brand new this gen consoles go from 150-250 and offer much more to a home entertainment experience. I know portable market and console market are different in the demand and accessibility. But I keep thinking about how much a price would have an impact on production of games and desire to own and use a console.

I believe the original PSP costs a good amount more than the DS when it came out, I just remember spending way too much at launch to play Lumines when my friends all had the original DS and were having a blast with those. Games were somewhat cheaper and yes it was a new way of playing games. And I think now with all the games we have on mobile devices and how the DS has evolved through what is it? 4 or 5 different variations, from what I understand all those games for the O.G. DS can be played on the newer ones. Where as Sony took a road and when they did an extreme reiteraton(PSP GO) they eliminated a whole market of people that were consumers of their product in a sense.

I honestly think price is the issue, not the games for the Vita. If the Vita was a $150, you bet your ass a lot of us would make more of a impulse buy for it. Therefore it would open a wider market for shit games that make so much money like on the DS. (all those BE A HAIRDRESSER, PONYZ, FUR REALZ games) and then it would be more of a competitor as far as a product goes.

My cousin wanted to buy the 3G Vita last week for $350. He's a compulsive spender and I just started laughing in the store when he told me this. Like really dude? Three hundred fifty dollars for THIS device? TO ME, I know it's not a fair comparison, but TO ME, it's like paying $400 for a Kindle Fire. It's just too much. The Vita is not a phone, it's not a tablet, it's a dedicated gaming device and the price of games and the system is alienating possible market expansion.

Sony has done this before too with the PS3. Wasn't the launch PS3 $500 and $600? A good $100 to $200 more than a 360 at the time? It's a cool system, but it's just too much :/


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the 3ds started at 250 as well and not too many people complained about that then until the vita was said to launch at the same price. at that point it seemed like the vita could make some noise but then nin dropped the price of the 3ds and now everyone is making noise about how the vita is too expensive.

personally i wouldnt pay more than 99.99 for either since you know the 3ds is will a new version or 2 and im not interested in the vita. most people have issue with the constant bashing done on sony products by the shows mascots while when it comes to the glaring errors committed by microsoft they tend to make excuses for them or gloss over them like no big deal or its the price you pay for a great console. when you have a console preference you tend to either ignore all the bs they do or you pick at each thing. they lean more towards ignore.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:14 PM

For the record. . . my comments above are pertaining to cheapy's initial disinterest in the system, not his legitimate gripes regarding the lag, lack of online gaming on certain games, long load times etc..

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:22 PM

What should PSVita's price be compared to?Should it be compared to the 3ds or the ipod touch(16gb and up)?

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:21 PM

I just wanted to give a quick thanks to Wombat for recommending Fairway Solitaire on the iPhone. Originally I didn't think it was going to be my try but I gave the trial a go then immediately brought the full game. Great fun and love the commentary on it. Hoping to get more good recommendations from you soon.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:42 PM

the 3ds started at 250 as well and not too many people complained about that then until the vita was said to launch at the same price. at that point it seemed like the vita could make some noise but then nin dropped the price of the 3ds and now everyone is making noise about how the vita is too expensive.

personally i wouldnt pay more than 99.99 for either since you know the 3ds is will a new version or 2 and im not interested in the vita. most people have issue with the constant bashing done on sony products by the shows mascots while when it comes to the glaring errors committed by microsoft they tend to make excuses for them or gloss over them like no big deal or its the price you pay for a great console. when you have a console preference you tend to either ignore all the bs they do or you pick at each thing. they lean more towards ignore.


Well my point was that the 3DS even dropped to 150 to really get the ball rolling, but even at the initial price point it had a market much wider than a brand new system. If I'm not mistaken the 3DS does play regular DS games?

I always loved Sony products, I think the Vita is awesome, but it's just stale because of the support in my eyes. If they had a wider market to penetrate a much more wide range of products could be made for it, I believe. I loved my psp to death before it died even though the selection was limited, it had all the games I wanted to play. I think catering to a profit creating audience and catering to the hardcore gamer(people that read up on games on forums and sites) is two different aspects especially now since mobile gaming is on everything. I saw Final Fantasy Tactics, one of my favorite games of all time, is now on the ipad. So again, I highly doubt it would have ever been put on a device that wasn't so widely spread. *shrug*



What should PSVita's price be compared to?Should it be compared to the 3ds or the ipod touch(16gb and up)?



honestly as much as it sounds too cheap, I think it should be closer to the 3DS since that is the main competitor of the Vita. It may be way more powerful and have so many othher features and what not, but that is really the main handheld competition for it. At least that's my take. I don't game on a handheld device that much any more, but if I had $180 disposable money just laying around and both the 3DS and the Vita were roughly around the same price, I would most definitely go for the Vita, personally. Now that there is a 100 dollar gap between them, it makes the decision a little harder to support something that has a really unknown future and throw in no backwards compatibility with the previous handheld system they had. So now they basically have to start from scratch again with a $100 or so gap to convince gamers or parents to put down. Sony has amazing technology. When you look at what the PS3 is capable of as a machine, it's amazing. The Vita is pretty insane as well, that screen it has is seriously the best mobile screen I have ever seen. Yet their execution is making sad pandas everywhere.

I personally would be way more inclined to buy a Vita if the games were much cheaper or the system itself was cheaper. I would be willing to roll the monetary dice a bit more than now where I kind of want to just wait a few years until it drops to PSP prices :/
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:14 AM

I am really enjoying my Vita. Uncharted was pretty solid, amazing for a launch title. Lumines has taken most of my time and HSG/MVC3 both are really good games. I got 4 games for $120 and sold Uncharted once beaten. I like trophies but don't like having to search for collectibles that often.

I caved on the 3g and the 32GB memory card. I know black friday will have much better bundles but knowing that Bioshock and Call of Duty are coming out for this in addition to all my psp games and ps1 games eventually made this worthwhile. I knew I was going to get one as soon as I saw the second analog stick, that was the one thing I wanted on a handheld more than anything and sony got it right.

My biggest issue is why don't psp games like 3rd birthday use the 2nd analog. Does anyone know if I'm missing some update etc? Thanks!

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:41 AM

Just thought I'd throw it out there that you can press any old bar of soap into a new one and it will merge with it... Why would anyone pay more for it? Lmao


Yeah I was thinking this too. I've been doing this for years, I don't need a specially shaped bar free of sodium "laureth" sulfate (lol) to do it. I mean it's innovative I guess, but anyone with even the most basic ingenuity can and probably has already figured this out on their own.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:01 AM

That's a good point, like with the PS3, Cheapy buys these [Sony] products, with the primary purpose of talking about it on the show, and he's not that interested in the product. Although with the Vita, some of his gripes are legitimate imo, as some of his gripes with the PS3 were legitimate... but a lot of it was just coming from a place of pure bias.


That’s a fair point, I think Cheapy feels an obligation to buy things to talk about or review that he knows he won’t enjoy. And when he doesn’t really have a use for the item, he isn’t going to come away with very good impressions of the device. Most of the audience probably expects him to talk about the new and shiny, but I wouldn’t mind if he (they) didn’t end up buying and talking about the Vita if it doesn’t fit their gaming preference. I have no interest in a Vita and I still haven’t been compelled enough by the 3DS titles to go out and pick one up. I’m waiting for the 3DS redesign (I think Wombat has said the same thing). Then again, I almost never understand the excitement about a system launch. You’re paying full price for everything, with very few titles available, most of which were rushed to meet the launch or are rehashes or ports. The appeal of holding that new device in your hands doesn’t amount to much.

Wombat perhaps the reason you didn’t like “Don’t Cut the Rope” Is because the game is called “Cut the Rope” and you’re supposed to cut the rope. I could see how it would be boring if you never cut the rope.

I think it’s an oversimplification to say that all the games on iphone/Android are junk and that’s why they are a dollar. There are a lot of more in depth experiences that range in price and there are a lot of direct comparisons where a game is more or less the same on Iphone/Android and the DS/PSP, and yet costs significantly more on the DS/PSP/3DS/Vita. I received Plants vs Zombies for free on my Android phone from the Amazon store, it’s normally $3 or so, and normally $20 on the DS. Ghost Trick is $10 on the ipad/iphone yet was a full $30 on the DS. The biggest drawback of the 3DS and Vita are the business models they are stuck in. They are stuck with expensive games with rigid pricing models. The mobile market is much more flexible than those old business models allow for.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:45 AM

Well my point was that the 3DS even dropped to 150 to really get the ball rolling, but even at the initial price point it had a market much wider than a brand new system. If I'm not mistaken the 3DS does play regular DS games?

I always loved Sony products, I think the Vita is awesome, but it's just stale because of the support in my eyes. If they had a wider market to penetrate a much more wide range of products could be made for it, I believe. I loved my psp to death before it died even though the selection was limited, it had all the games I wanted to play. I think catering to a profit creating audience and catering to the hardcore gamer(people that read up on games on forums and sites) is two different aspects especially now since mobile gaming is on everything. I saw Final Fantasy Tactics, one of my favorite games of all time, is now on the ipad. So again, I highly doubt it would have ever been put on a device that wasn't so widely spread. *shrug*






honestly as much as it sounds too cheap, I think it should be closer to the 3DS since that is the main competitor of the Vita. It may be way more powerful and have so many othher features and what not, but that is really the main handheld competition for it. At least that's my take. I don't game on a handheld device that much any more, but if I had $180 disposable money just laying around and both the 3DS and the Vita were roughly around the same price, I would most definitely go for the Vita, personally. Now that there is a 100 dollar gap between them, it makes the decision a little harder to support something that has a really unknown future and throw in no backwards compatibility with the previous handheld system they had. So now they basically have to start from scratch again with a $100 or so gap to convince gamers or parents to put down. Sony has amazing technology. When you look at what the PS3 is capable of as a machine, it's amazing. The Vita is pretty insane as well, that screen it has is seriously the best mobile screen I have ever seen. Yet their execution is making sad pandas everywhere.

I personally would be way more inclined to buy a Vita if the games were much cheaper or the system itself was cheaper. I would be willing to roll the monetary dice a bit more than now where I kind of want to just wait a few years until it drops to PSP prices :/



game pricing is definetly fucked up especially when you look at the price for physical media and dl games. i also dont like the fact you have to repay to play psp games you already own physical copies of for the vita.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 02:57 AM

game pricing is definetly fucked up especially when you look at the price for physical media and dl games. i also dont like the fact you have to repay to play psp games you already own physical copies of for the vita.


oh definitely. When my PSP was working I was looking at the online store and everything on there was almost DOUBLE what I would have paid for on Amazon. It didn't make any sense to me. Yes they did have the occassional game that dropped to a reasonable price or even lower, but it was so far and few in between. Especially for the sake or convenience, I would have liked to have more games on my psp so i could take everywhere instead of physical UMDs. Total white people problems type of thing, but still, I dunno. Even on the 360 the Games on Demand prices are ridiculous as opposed to what I can pay for in a retail store or Amazon. I don't get it...but alas.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 03:20 AM

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel for Vita complaints this week. Shipwreck's too stupid to read the screen, and somehow that's the hardware's fault? And Cheapy whine that it takes a minute to load the Netflix app? So, about as long as Netflix takes to load on a PS3, 360, Android tablet or Roku...? And one third the time it takes to load on my shitty old iPhone 3g?

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 04:35 AM

Ship and Cheapie nailed it. Uncharted Vita is an inferior version. Can anyone afford to make a AAA console game on the Vita? Are we just going to get worse versions of Sony's 1st party stuff?

Nintendo is much better at taking its franchises and making something unique for its handhelds. Not a worse version of its console games. Nintendo also has a knack for repackaging its old console games for its handhelds.

Wombat got Cheapie to reveal the dirty little secret of iPhone games. They get a free pass because they are dirt cheap.

Sony should have made the Vita the handheld you play in front of the tv. And made the screen bigger for that purpose. And then made it start up and load super quick. Lately I have been jamming on the 3ds in front of the tv while the wife is watching something or while a game is on. I am starting to enjoy this way of gaming. It is easier to manage with kids and a wife and allows for more multi-tasking. I would love to have a bigger-screen in-front-of-the-tv handheld.

Wombat also scores with his "There is too much crap on the iPhone" line. Feel the same way. I tried to weed the bad stuff out by reviews but, again, the reviews aren't very discriminatory when you are talking about a $1 game. And sites listing the best games for the iphone list mostly the same games and also aren't very discriminatory.

How much of this smartphone/tablet game buying and playing experience is a novelty?

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 05:05 AM

Where did Cheapy get that mashup of Colors and Africa? I googled it, no dice.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 09:49 AM

Where's the Jaffe clip? All I find is a steven/Jaffe podcast from two years ago.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 08:29 PM

One possibility on the single copy of Vita games at Wal-Mart is that Wal-Mart is unhappy with Sony. As mentioned in past discussions of online game pricing (like the full games you can download at full price on 360 long after they have been discounted at retail) the retailers do not like it when a company sells their own products cheaper online than the retail price in stores.

And Sony has done this, making games 10% cheaper online than in stores (and you may avoid sales tax!). Wal-Mart may have decided that what's the point in stocking a lot of games if customers are just going to buy the games online anyway and thus not bought a lot of copies.

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I still don't get what the mass effect 3 spoiler was.... anyone care to enlighten me?

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Great show as always guys!

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:22 AM

One possibility on the single copy of Vita games at Wal-Mart is that Wal-Mart is unhappy with Sony. As mentioned in past discussions of online game pricing (like the full games you can download at full price on 360 long after they have been discounted at retail) the retailers do not like it when a company sells their own products cheaper online than the retail price in stores.


Walmart stocked the PSPgo, which was 100% download only, so I don't think that's the real issue. The margins are still there for walmart on the game software sales,accessories and PSN cards. And Walmart doesn't make anything off the software sales on Apple products either, although the margins on apple hardware are likely better than most video game hardware.

But this low quantity launch is strange for a new video game platform. At my local target, the supply of both hardware and software were surprisingly low....according the guy who runs the electronics section, they only got 5 Vitas and for most games they only got 6 or less copies...And this is in an area with a ton of college students. I wonder if Sony is just running inventory on the lean side due to financial considerations (ie, not to tie up too much cash in inventory that may not move quickly) or if this is on the retailer side with them being being more cautious after the fast drop off in demand after the 3DS launch or otherwise being warily of new $250 products in general in this market.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 01:13 AM

I don't really comment on the Cagcast but I will give my two cents in, I work at a Target in Chicago and received about 20 wifi only units and I think 8 3G models and more than enough game. This morning we were sold out of everything but a total of 6 games and even though I don't work in Electronics while walking the main aisle told 2 people we were sold out that were looking for one.

I have an iPod touch 32gb and a SE Xperia arc S and I've never been a hand held gamer nor did I ever use a Vita until I actually bought one and brought it home since I'm a huge fan of the Wipeout and Uncharted series. I had serious reservations on opening the unit but that worry quickly evaporated once I put UMvC3 and saw not only how beautiful it looked but how it played as well.

Now with that said I had no problem figuring out how to use the Vita after messing around for 10 mins trying different things so either Ship isn't all that smart or he's just not use to using touch interfaces. If you've had an iPod for sometime the Vita is not at all difficult to figure out, I did try to use the buttons first a couple of times but when that didn't work it felt natural when I simply tried the screen shifted my train of thought into touchscreen mode.

On the first day when I tried NEAR there were 25 individuals in a 1 mile radius, now I live near a Blue line stop here in Chicago so living quarters are limited, as of this writing there are 93 people near me with Vita's. My point is that at least here in Chicago it seems to be selling very well since the store I work in is a good 30 mins. from where I live and the fact that we were virtually cleaned out.

I have never been a handheld gamer but the Vita has certainly given me pause on that front, unlike Cheapy or Ship I decided to give it a real chance and it is an impressive piece of technology. The screen is beautiful and Netflix looks awesome on it, something that the iPod touch does not really do all that well. My view is that this machine is perfect for certain games that would never be practical to play on an iPod or Phone, FPS's, racing games, 3 person shooters, and most platforms suck on those devices because of the lack of controls and after giving them a shot for over 2 years won't download them unless they are free.

I tried the iPod touch games and they are not good at all if you need tactile feedback, Infinity Blade looks great but the game isn't all that deep not to mention is crap trying to play something like RAGE or Battlefield on that thing. $1 games aren't worth it if you hate them or don't truly enjoy them, on the other hand I'm not a fighting game enthusiast but I've been playing UMvC3 the most out of the 3 games I've bought and I still have yet to turn on my PS3 never mind my 360 since I don't pay for Live.

As other have stated Wombat seems to be the most open to things and the most level head of the 3, its a shame that Cagcast basically feels like an MS show in disguise thanks to Cheapy and Ship. Everyone has their opinons but when you constantly and consistently put down anything that isn't MS it eventually becomes annoying, again specifically Cheapy and Ship. In all honesty what the Cagcast needs is an individual that is a bit more open like Wombat, he is always being doubled team by 2 like minded individuals that clearly are "Xbots".

I may work retail but I'm taking my dental boards as my training is in dentistry, the day I get accepted in a GPR or advanced placement program I plan to write a book. One of things I plan to write about is being fed bs about individuals that claim to be open minded but really aren't. Cheapy and Ship can claim they aren't pro-MS but I've been listening to the show long enough that they are. The point being that if you aren't going to give things a fair shot just don't talk about them or better yet let Wombat review them as he tends to be much more level headed. You guys stated several times that others in the media and clearly gamers are overall happy with the device and yet can't connect the dots as to why you don't like the machine, here's a clue, it isn't made by MS.

Edited by actripxl, 26 February 2012 - 01:24 AM.


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Posted 26 February 2012 - 01:27 AM

Now with that said I had no problem figuring out how to use the Vita after messing around for 10 mins trying different things so either Ship isn't all that smart or he's just not use to using touch interfaces. If you've had an iPod for sometime the Vita is not at all difficult to figure out, I did try to use the buttons first a couple of times but when that didn't work it felt natural when I simply tried the screen shifted my train of thought into touchscreen mode.

I have never been a handheld gamer but the Vita has certainly given me pause on that front, unlike Cheapy or Ship I decided to give it a real chance and it is an impressive piece of technology. The screen is beautiful and Netflix looks awesome on it, something that the iPod touch does not really do all that well. My view is that this machine is perfect for certain games that would never be practical to play on an iPod or Phone, FPS's, racing games, 3 person shooters, and most platforms suck on those devices because of the lack of controls and after giving them a shot for over 2 years won't download them unless they are free.


I prefer the experience that I get on the Xbox 360, yes, but I play every platform (except the PC). The fact that the Vita requires you to use the touch screen for something that could easily be done with a button (like menu navigation) is an example of poor UI design. Nintendo has given you the option to use buttons or touch interface for menus for the entire lifespan of the DS and 3DS. And I've bought a Vita since this episode. There are things I like about it and things that I'm going to be critical of, because Sony deserves both of those reactions to this product. I'm always going to be bias towards the things that give me the best experience. That's how we all are.

Edited by shipwreck, 26 February 2012 - 01:38 AM.

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